An Idea for a Wonder Woman Movie

[Sack of Cheese]

I really dislike WW's new52 origin. I hope they'd pick pre-52 origin if they ever make her movie.
Oh, and I hope her outfit would look similar to this, which is badass:

 

[Queen Michael]

It's true that WW doesn't have nearly the same popularity and fame as Superman and Batman. But she does deserve her place among the big three, because who else would be more suitable for the spot?

Well firstly, let's address the underlying assumption here; why does it need to be a Big Three? Why not just Superman and Batman? Like I said, it reeks of tokenism. DC have a natural Big Two, but in order to ward of accusations of sexism (a little bit, at least, given that it hasn't been that successful) they've elevated a second-string female character to the upper tier regardless of whether or not it makes sense.

They do have a Big Two, though. Well, kind of. What I'm talking about is the entire "World's Finest" thing.

Right. And so why was there a need to spin off from that basic idea idea concepts like Trinity, or the myriad Elseworlds (Kingdom Come is a prime example) which like to depict the trio as the defining characters of the DCU? If it isn't tokenism, and we accept that Wonder Woman isn't a particularly interesting character, I can't see the rationale behind a move like that.

I actually think she's pretty darn interesting. There's something majestic about her that you don't see in a lot of superheroes.

 

[LittleWings]

Well firstly, let's address the underlying assumption here; why does it need to be a Big Three? Why not just Superman and Batman? Like I said, it reeks of tokenism. DC have a natural Big Two, but in order to ward of accusations of sexism (a little bit, at least, given that it hasn't been that successful) they've elevated a second-string female character to the upper tier regardless of whether or not it makes sense.

Sorry to jump in, and I'm just giving an opinion here (I've never been a huge Wonder Woman fan and only really read of here cause she's in the JLA), but I always assumed that WW was one of the Big three because Superman covered aliens, Batman covered Humans, and WW covered supernatural stuff and magic (Magic ofc being one of Supes' most exploitable weaknesses and Batman hates cause how is he supposed to plan against Magic, and in tech vs magic magic tends to win)

While WW is not exactly Magic herself she represents the corner of the DCU (and IMO the most interesting one) that is powered by Magic/the Supernatural. So with WW the Big Three represents the entire DCU.

However, I do agree that WW is actually pretty boring and doesn't deserve a space at the Big Three, but I think she is there for other reasons than "We need a Woman to shut the feminists up", even if that is the main reason.

 

[SonicWaffle]

I really dislike WW's new52 origin. I hope they'd pick pre-52 origin if they ever make her movie.

Which one?

Out of interest, what is her New 52 origin? I've only read scattered issues here and there and for the most part I've hated it, so I don't really know what the deal is.

 

[SonicWaffle]

I actually think she's pretty darn interesting. There's something majestic about her that you don't see in a lot of superheroes.

The hypocrisy, maybe? Her ultimate belief in and sermonising about peace assured through violence towards dissenters? The whole Amazon philosophy is pretty rotten.

If you should seek peace, prepare for war. Lots of war. If someone even looks at you funny, punch them into next week, and then bemoan the "violent world of man".

 

[SonicWaffle]

Sorry to jump in, and I'm just giving an opinion here (I've never been a huge Wonder Woman fan and only really read of here cause she's in the JLA), but I always assumed that WW was one of the Big three because Superman covered aliens, Batman covered Humans, and WW covered supernatural stuff and magic (Magic ofc being one of Supes' most exploitable weaknesses and Batman hates cause how is he supposed to plan against Magic, and in tech vs magic magic tends to win)

Yeah, it's one explanation, but she's hardly the most prominent magic-or-religion hero. Reppin' the magic set you've got Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Sentinel, and various other big-hitters who've all had JLA or JSA membership at one time or another. I also disagree that Batman and Superman cover humans and aliens respectively, due to the very nature of their characters and the conflict between them; Superman is an alien, but in everything he does he tries hard to be a pinnacle of humanity. He has a day job, a human wife, human friends, human parents, and tries to act like the very best that humanity has to offer. Outside of his rogues gallery, his extraterrestrial nature is largely forgotten. Batman on the other hand is human, but works constantly not to be. He distances himself emotionally, places logic above feelings, attempts to become something "other" and terrifying to create an aura of fear. That's where a lot of the methodological difference arises - one is a god wanting so badly to be man, and one is a man wanting so badly to be something else.

However, I do agree that WW is actually pretty boring and doesn't deserve a space at the Big Three, but I think she is there for other reasons than "We need a Woman to shut the feminists up", even if that is the main reason.

Oh, agreed, but I think the main other reason is that she had a TV series and is thus most recognisable to non-comic readers. Her adventures in popular culture made her recognisable, so when DC decided to have a female on their top-tier, she was the natural choice despite not honestly being that important of a hero.

 

[xaszatm]

I really dislike WW's new52 origin. I hope they'd pick pre-52 origin if they ever make her movie.

Which one?

Out of interest, what is her New 52 origin? I've only read scattered issues here and there and for the most part I've hated it, so I don't really know what the deal is.

Spoiler

In the new one, she is the daughter of Zeus and Hippolyta. She was lied to at birth about her origins.

To be honest, I'm more partial to the born from sand, blessed by gods thing.

OT: I think that no one here understands Wonder Woman. To be fair, I think most at DC don't understand Wonder Woman. Mainly because out of the 3, she is the one that undergoes the most changes. When you get right down to it, she represents Truth. Truth, Justice, and Hope. That is what the DC Big Three represent. That is why they are the biggest stars at DC. It's why Wonder Woman's lasso is there. It is usually the backing of her motives. Which is why I dislike her new origin story, as her origin is based on a lie.

Another thing she represents is the mystical. Out of all the superheroes, she is usually the one who still has cannon fighting Nazis. She is usually decades older than most heroes and has been blessed by the gods (which canonically exist is the DC universe.)

 

[Drauger]

Yeah..... that's not Wonder Woman sorryi think the OP took too many liberties.

I kind of feel sad to see so many post saying she's boring, I'm a DC fan and I do think the trinity MUST be there.

I started liking Wonder Woman after Vol 3 since I have been following the comic since and I don't see how can she be boring, she's the most violent one from the DC Trinity, she's the one with enough balls to kill a bad guy when necesary, she can rival kryptonians in strentgh yet she bleeds and is more flagile , the villain gallery can be any God from any mytohology, I don't know I just don't see where is theboring part.

 

[LittleWings]

Yeah, it's one explanation, but she's hardly the most prominent magic-or-religion hero. Reppin' the magic set you've got Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Sentinel, and various other big-hitters who've all had JLA or JSA membership at one time or another. I also disagree that Batman and Superman cover humans and aliens respectively, due to the very nature of their characters and the conflict between them; Superman is an alien, but in everything he does he tries hard to be a pinnacle of humanity. He has a day job, a human wife, human friends, human parents, and tries to act like the very best that humanity has to offer. Outside of his rogues gallery, his extraterrestrial nature is largely forgotten. Batman on the other hand is human, but works constantly not to be. He distances himself emotionally, places logic above feelings, attempts to become something "other" and terrifying to create an aura of fear. That's where a lot of the methodological difference arises - one is a god wanting so badly to be man, and one is a man wanting so badly to be something else.

You raise some good points, I'm not saying I was right or anything, it's just the way I've always looked at it to try and make peace in my head as to why it exists. Zee and Sentinel I don't feel really count because they're both humans who had magic stuff happen to them. Doctor Fate I've always seen as one of the "Big Three" of the Magic World since I read Day of Vengeance and really got into the magical side of DC (the other two being Phantom Stranger and Spectre), and it would have been cool to see him with Batman and Supes being all in charge of JLA, but I don't think he was mainstream enough for everyone to know who he was and therefore care who he was, so they chose WW.

Which means we're saying the same thing. Oh. Well good, I'm glad we agree.

 

[thepyrethatburns]

To OP:

I actually kinda like your idea. It is creative and different but you are running into three issues.

1)Wonder Woman is pretty much tied to a Greek origin. While you could make an argument to make a "darker than caucasian" Wonder Woman with that, it'd be a pretty hard sell to tie her origin to Brazil. The last female superhero movie to change the lead to "non-caucasian" and changed the origin was:


Not the most promising sales pitch.

2)Even if we did go to Brazil, you said that you would want to shy away from "they're killing the rainforest" as an angle. However, how else are you going to get a secret civilization to send their champion out into Man's World? I suppose that you could pull the "Someone stole one of our ancient treasures and I'm going to get it back" angle but that seems a little less likely to work if you wanted to keep the civilization a secret by movie's end.

3) If you really want to play up the "non-caucasian" superheroine issue, why undermine it by having Sigourney Weaver as the queen? If you want to have that angle for a movie, don't cut it off at the knees by still having a white woman in charge of a civilization of Brazilian women. That's actually almost insulting to the concept. Commit to your concept and have a Brazilian queen.

Captcha:Better Half. The Excapist is really pushing Feminism, aren't they?

 

[Sack of Cheese]

I really dislike WW's new52 origin. I hope they'd pick pre-52 origin if they ever make her movie.

Which one?

Out of interest, what is her New 52 origin? I've only read scattered issues here and there and for the most part I've hated it, so I don't really know what the deal is.

Okay, this is a bit spoiler-y, I will put it in spoiler tag.

Spoiler

In the new origin, Wonder Woman is not really a golem, but she's the daughter of Zeus and Hippolyta. Also, the Amazons are sort of rapists and murderers. Every now and then they'd sail to a ship and sleep with the sailors to get pregnant, then kill the sailors after that. Boys were sold for weapons, and girls were kept and raised as an Amazon. Not an empowered origin.
They got killed by jealous Hera, sort of permanent now. I'm only up to volume 2 TPB, so...

And Wonder Woman was also trained by the war god, Ares, whereas in the original comic she was trained among her sisters. This upset quite a few of Wonder Woman's fans, because her pre-52 origin was female-empowered (born without the seed of a man, trained by women... yada yada).
The new writer also removed two recurring characters for Wonder Woman, Artemis and Phillipus.

Although her sale is higher now.