An Interesting Illegal Immigrant Case
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They do, but at least this way they aren't saying "You're full of shit because of x, y, and z" in various ways.TheBobmus said:But don't people just quote you anyway?RJ 17 said:
OT: He personally hasn't done anything wrong if he was a minor when brought to the country, so yeah sure, let him be a lawyer.
Please provide which specific statute of federal or Florida state laws he has broken.DevilWithaHalo said:
Just because his immigration status is open to deportation does not actually imply any broken laws.
There's a specific reason why government publications and communications have stopped using the term "illegal immigrant" and instead use "undocumented immigrant": because it doesn't lead people to falsely conclude that laws were automatically broken to attain that state.
Actually, and I think I mentioned this before, but being an illegal immigrant itself is a crime. It's only a misdemeanor, not a felony or anything, but it is indeed a crime. Hence the term "illegal" in "illegal immigrant". This would be found somewhere in the federal immigration code which I've no desire to go digging through.GrandmaFunk said:
And actually, now that I think about it...I should go ahead and put an update in my OP.
I guess your lack of desire to do research to back up your assumption with actual facts is the same reason you glossed over my pointing out that "illegal immigrant" is not an accurate term and has been deprecated by the federal government for that very reason.
... In what possible universe could that matter? Legally, I mean.RJ 17 said:
Are we really worried about him going back to Mexico with a shiny piece of paper that allows him to practice law in the United States... WHERE HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE?
I'd say, give him the license. He passed the bar exam, that's difficult. He knows his stuff, he earned it. Then, go ahead and deport him, and let him get in line with all the legal immigrants. If that law degree helps him to get into the US legally, I have no problem with that personally.
It's much like any other illegal immigrant. If we find them after they've lived and worked here for four years, we don't demand all the money they've made back in one fell swoop... that'd just be cruel. Sure, he's illegal. However, he did fine work and didn't bother anyone, so he's entitled to the wages he earned... in this case, the law degree.
From what I've heard, it depends entirely on what skills you have. If you're a world-renowned scientist, you'll be welcomed with open arms. Fry cook, not so much.Evil Smurf said:
Being a lawyer may actually give him a leg up that he wouldn't have had if he hadn't entered the country illegally, but again, I can live with that.
You say he was brought to the US as a child. Isn't it something like 5 to 10 years living in the US you can be granted citizenship? Take the test, pass, and bam you get your green card. So, if thats so, he should of gained permanent resident status. Than become a lawyer.
For starters, I wasn't the one that you were even talking to originally when you asked for proof.GrandmaFunk said:
Secondly, if it's that important to you, I just googled "illegal immigrant misdemeanor" and found this:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_illegal_immigration_a_misdemeanor_or_a_felony
So to answer you're "Where is it?" question: Title 8 Section 1325
The term "illegal immigrant" still applies because the person is breaking a law just by being here. "undocumented immigrant" is a term the left devised to be more politically correct when addressing the issue of illegal immigrants.
That's great for him, that he came here and made something of himself.
What about the kid whose parents played by the rules, who is still stuck in Mexico, or entered much later than this guy? What about the future kids who will have a harder time coming in legally as more and more illegals being caught herald more and more restrictions?
The simple fact is: his family came here illegally, he came here illegally, and he needs to go through the proper channels.
If you break into my house, I'm kicking your ass. Even if you only broke in to sweep the floors, fold my laundry, do the dishes, and fix a hole in my roof; I am still kicking your ass because you broke into my house. I didn't ask you, I didn't want you to do it. If you had come to me legitimately and asked if you could do those things, for free or for a wage, that would have been fine with me, but since it is all prefaced on a violation, you still have to answer for that violation.
What about the kid whose parents played by the rules, who is still stuck in Mexico, or entered much later than this guy? What about the future kids who will have a harder time coming in legally as more and more illegals being caught herald more and more restrictions?
The simple fact is: his family came here illegally, he came here illegally, and he needs to go through the proper channels.
If you break into my house, I'm kicking your ass. Even if you only broke in to sweep the floors, fold my laundry, do the dishes, and fix a hole in my roof; I am still kicking your ass because you broke into my house. I didn't ask you, I didn't want you to do it. If you had come to me legitimately and asked if you could do those things, for free or for a wage, that would have been fine with me, but since it is all prefaced on a violation, you still have to answer for that violation.
Damn, beat me to it...RJ 17 said:
More info can be found here; http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/Immigration ...which goes into differences between State and Federal levels of immigration involvement. However, any quick google search in general will start yielding results fairly quickly.
GrandmaFunk, I might suggest doing some personal research of your own prior to accusing others of... "inaccuracies".
Doesn't really matter since you repeated an equivalent statement, my reply still applies.RJ 17 said:
The entry clause of Title 8 Section 1325 doesn't apply to minors and there's no proof that he's eluded inspection by immigration officers since his entry.RJ 17 said: