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It's that you can't disprove that there is a God. But as soon as you limit God, that 'version' will be disproven.axia777 said:
Say that God killed your brother (purely as an example, I'm struggling to come up with a better one), and is defined by the act of having killed your brother. If your brother is still alive, that disproves God by that definition.
At least, that's what I think he's saying.
So you disbelieve God based on Faith...Avida said:
You see where most atheists fall into section 1?
Lets just say that the image of the Big Bang as an explosion is wrong. The Big Bang was a term coined by those opposed to the theory and adopted by them because it sounded good (and because at that time it was a nifty explanation). What the Big Bang really is is an expansion of an infinite small point (a singularity) into something larger than a singularity with space and time. So to say that a massive internal (or external for that matter) explosion could not have happened is in a sense correct, since the Big Bang was not an explosion but an expansion (or as some theories say: a collapse of almost infinite (mathematical) dimensions into the 4 we interact with and sense.Trace2010 said:
A (stellar) black hole can only be created through a supernova explosion, where a star with at least 3-4 times the mass of the Sun collapses and expels the outer layers while the inner layers and the core becomes either a Neutron star or a Black Hole.
What caused the Big Bang? I am not a cosmologist but just a normal astrophysicist but as far as I remember from the courses I have taken, the reason for the instability that lead to the Big Bang was likely just quantum fluctuations. I can be wrong on this last thing but not on the rest of this post (with perhaps the exception that I can't remember if it is the core mass of the star that has to be more than 3 times the mass of the Sun or if it is the entire star).
Sorry for a long post. But I just couldn't let this pass.
Not to defend that particular site but I have a few points to make.
A lot of very way-out maths and physics goes towards the idea that some 'strings' (Think string theory) can become what's known as 'membranes'. These would essentially be the space-time continuum. Now these membranes are theoretical, but another part of the theory states that the touching of two membranes may have been a 'big bang'.
The additional part of this theory is that it is also attempting to explain gravity, as the theorists have suggested that 'gravitons' may be able to travel from membrane to membrane. Some correlations to black holes have been drawn.
We can easily discover the sequence of bases in DNA, it's just that we don't yet understand the code. Just like the difference between reading Hex and understanding Hex.Trace2010 said:
The star does not 'decide' rather, it is dictated by physical characteristics.
A lot of very way-out maths and physics goes towards the idea that some 'strings' (Think string theory) can become what's known as 'membranes'. These would essentially be the space-time continuum. Now these membranes are theoretical, but another part of the theory states that the touching of two membranes may have been a 'big bang'.
The additional part of this theory is that it is also attempting to explain gravity, as the theorists have suggested that 'gravitons' may be able to travel from membrane to membrane. Some correlations to black holes have been drawn.
Oh I love how much religion comes up here.
When I was young, I believed it like santa claus. As I grew older, I realised things adults said were not always true. As I came into adulthood, I realised that I was smarter as a teenager than the ignorant adults telling me these things, as I heard them say what they thought they knew about things in life and were wrong or quoting someone elses words as their own. As I pass through adulthood, I get progressively more and more atheist to the point where I am beginning to despise everything religion. Now I attack it.
It really is a sad state of affairs when people living and educated in the first world would ever hold a work of fiction as gospel, then do no less than attack harry potter, another work of fiction, for promoting witchcraft.
I would give religion no more than 150 years before it is seen by the vast majority in the first world as a backwards and laughable thing of the past, as it is by most youth in the first world outside america. Another inane design in a long line of things like the earth being flat, simply because as people become progressively more educated they will come to understand the fallacies of their beliefs.
Faith, wow, to believe something even in the face of damning evidence against it takes sheer stubbornness or stupidity. Faith is the basis of religion? It seems to me that faith is nothing more than denying fact in lieu of fantasy, which puts you in no better standing than people suffering manic disorders. The only difference is that faith isnt recognised as a mental illness, or mental retardation yet. Give it time.
When I was young, I believed it like santa claus. As I grew older, I realised things adults said were not always true. As I came into adulthood, I realised that I was smarter as a teenager than the ignorant adults telling me these things, as I heard them say what they thought they knew about things in life and were wrong or quoting someone elses words as their own. As I pass through adulthood, I get progressively more and more atheist to the point where I am beginning to despise everything religion. Now I attack it.
It really is a sad state of affairs when people living and educated in the first world would ever hold a work of fiction as gospel, then do no less than attack harry potter, another work of fiction, for promoting witchcraft.
I would give religion no more than 150 years before it is seen by the vast majority in the first world as a backwards and laughable thing of the past, as it is by most youth in the first world outside america. Another inane design in a long line of things like the earth being flat, simply because as people become progressively more educated they will come to understand the fallacies of their beliefs.
Faith, wow, to believe something even in the face of damning evidence against it takes sheer stubbornness or stupidity. Faith is the basis of religion? It seems to me that faith is nothing more than denying fact in lieu of fantasy, which puts you in no better standing than people suffering manic disorders. The only difference is that faith isnt recognised as a mental illness, or mental retardation yet. Give it time.
I personally have no faith in anything. However can you provide me with the "damning evidence" that proves god does not excist?oddresin said:
The thing is no one who has a truely scientific mind can disregard the excistance of god, in the same way they cant blindly believe.
To truely know either way there has to be evidence, show me gods face and I will believe I would have no choice but to. However there is no way to truely disprove gods excistance unless it is possible to see everything, from atoms to galaxies, at once.
my 2 cents
"God is Santa Claus for Adults."oddresin said:
Anyway, I got a joke to submit:
Are you suffering from eternal damnation? well you're not alone. The rapture is coming so for a limited time only we're offering an eternity of heaven for the low,low price of all your logic and better judgment. Still not enough? Well for an indefinite period of time, we're offering you the chance to raise an unlimited number of affiliates under you so you can secure your position in god's eternal kingdom. For each child you get baptized and each person you "spread the good news to", you earn less time in purgatory. But don't wait time is running out! You're dying!
Please enlighten me, What damning evidence do you have against religion?oddresin said:
And why shouldn't other people be allowed to believe in faith if they chose so?
Science fails to tell my why I should be nice to people, while still having bad things happen to me. Why should I help a fallen brother or why I should be kind to the guy next to me. Maybe I should become a dick and taunt and laugh those who are weaker then me.
LOL WHAT?Illogical BS said:
How does being an atheist make you morally inferior to everyone else?Illogical BS said:
I'm all up for a religious debate, but this is just laughable. I can't honestly believe the author of that seriously believes what he or she wrote!
However Stalin wasn't immoral, he just operated within his own set of morals.Graustein said:
Morality is subjective, my morals allow me to do pretty much what ever I want with out feeling guilty, some of what I have done would probably be immoral to most people.
Are you confusing "immoral" (warped morals) with "amoral" (devoid of morals)?scarbunny said:
In any case, you are correct, Stalin was perfectly moral by his own personal definition. Still, remember what we're talking about. We're talking about an argument whereby an atheist violates the arguer's religion's moral code, therefore God exists.