Anarchy in London?

[viranimus]

I applaud you England. When you decide to do something you dont pussy foot around loitering and banging on hippy drums, You actually let people know your pissed the hell off.

On this notion of socialism and entitlement.. I am going to try to remain civil.

We need to stop the entitlement programs. There ARE too many people out there that expect to be handed money for nothing in return. How on earth do you think you can sustain a government where groups of people get all this money to play with and have next to nothing in accountability even though it hurts everyone else around them. How can you not be furious when all this money is being frittered away?

I am of course speaking of our politicians and their constant robbery of the populace (from ALL sides of the isle)that results in (debatably) legalized theft, because nothing of value to the individual is returned for taking out taxes. Return the money to the people who earned it and stop engaging in socialism, because all this is going to do is take everyone down as the ship sinks.

Jeeze.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Man, I feel so bad for them. They're going to have to pay for their tuition like I do!

This is what happens when the entitlement mentality is threatened by removal of the teat.

EDIT: I actually do feel sorry for them, though I said that with sarcasm. For years they lived in a world where they were allowed to establish a feeling of entitlement, and now it's been taken away. Probably for their better, but it's a shame that the socialist government programs killed their spirits so much that they feel they MUST have the government nipple to suckle from.

today's march was not about tuition fees.

the one that was was not about the current generations tuition fees in any way.

no current generation student will be affected by the changes. none. (and they already pay fees).

it was about future generations and the principal of universal access to higher education which is now under threat.

it's not a great idea to extrapolate a huge amount of what you think something is about to something you (obviously) know very little about.

The Socialist programs are falsely keeping the costs of tuition low. They have to raise the fees because it's eventually going to bankrupt the government, as all socialist programs attempt to. This comes quite a shock to future students, as their teat is taken away, and they'll have to pay a higher percentage of their tuition.

I pay 100% of mine, going to a private college. Instead of rioting, I work, and bust my ass to build a future. These kids are tearing down their present, possibly destroying their future, because of a Socialist program. It destroys human capital, what more is there to say?

Yes the wreck of the economy is caused by socialists and not by capitalist bankers giving themselves millions of dollars of pay and then having to be bailed out by the governments you so demonise.

Oh and to the people against state funded universities. I have a reasonably high IQ and I have 2 high scored degrees I'm a BA/BSc but my family is working class and in no way would I have been able to afford university without help. Should I have been left to work in a factory? Is that what your saying?

 

[DeadlyYellow]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/03/26/uk.london.demonstration/index.html

For those who don't know.

Huh.

You know, something just tickles me about damaging property in response to spending cuts. If only they would re-appropriate the funds for repair costs. It would be hilarious, but likely lead to more riots.

 

[Johnnyallstar]

how exactly do you "shock future students" who don't exist yet ?

in the UK we expect our children to be able go on to University (not "collage") if they can make the grade. it's on par with Primary and Secondary education. it's been that way for generations regardless of the poltical hue of the goverment in power.

try and get this into your head: we. are. not. you.

just because your nation drew an line and said "after this point you all have to pay 100% for further education" its not written on the side of a mountain by god.

your political views and diagnosis cannot be applied to a culture and nation you obviously understand very little.

Never said anyone had to pay 100%, but I don't have feel sorry for people who go rioting because they have to pay a higher percentage of their tuition.

The only students I'm upset with, are the ones who were doing all the damage. It's the government who's at fault because they've implemented a system where they will go bankrupt if they don't make immediate changes. These changes hurt, and the riots are signs of that. Political hue really doesn't have anything to do with it, as any side can really attach a socialist program.

Do you really think that in America you can get into a decent university without making the grade? Sure, if you're some superstar athlete, but that's the exception, not the rule. I'm not against anyone taking loans, or getting scholarships, but rioting because you're going to have to pay more is just pointless.

 

[Johnnyallstar]

Yes the wreck of the economy is caused by socialists and not by capitalist bankers giving themselves millions of dollars of pay and then having to be bailed out by the governments you so demonise.

Do me a favor, point out where I said the bankers were pristine? That's a bit off topic, but lets be honest, government programs were enticing the bankers to act in the way they did. Rating programs, the whole community housing acts, giving people loans who could never pay it back because they were in an "under-served" community (e.g. poor enough that they can't pay the loan back) caused a bubble to form.

After people saw just how bad the housing bubble was, they sold their toxic investments to other industries, and the whole thing went kablooie. The banks are at fault for being complicit, but the prime evil in that problem was the government.

 

[Dags90]

Yes the wreck of the economy is caused by socialists and not by capitalist bankers giving themselves millions of dollars of pay and then having to be bailed out by the governments you so demonise.

Now that everyone's on the same page we can finally get to talking about the evils of entitlements and socialism, how they're unsustainable. You know because modern England has only been around for a few decades. The very word "entitlement" has been so grossly twisted in U.S. political discourse it should probably be discarded.

 

[StormShaun]

Can I say the 5th of november guys........or dress up in Guy Fawke masks......and BLOW UP DA PARLIMENT.....

 

[drisky]

*has nothing to contribute*

My mind jumped to a different song.

 

[emeraldrafael]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/03/26/uk.london.demonstration/index.html

For those who don't know.

Sounds interesting, much more interesting than PA, lol

Eh, just wait till (American) Football Season with the lock out.

OT: Fromw hat I've heard from our Foreign Body of hte UK at my university, its like our tea parties in the us, where tehy're just waiting for it to blow over.

 

[zehydra]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/03/26/uk.london.demonstration/index.html

For those who don't know.

Sounds interesting, much more interesting than PA, lol

Eh, just wait till (American) Football Season with the lock out.

OT: Fromw hat I've heard from our Foreign Body of hte UK at my university, its like our tea parties in the us, where tehy're just waiting for it to blow over.

Sorta, except the Tea Partiers want cuts in our government, as opposed to the protesters in the UK, who are protesting cuts.

But yeah lol, if there's anything that would cause a riot, it'd be football lol.

 

[Dyme]

Well they shouldn't have voted for the people they voted for in the first place.

Erm we didn't I voted labour personally and the election was pretty much a 3 way split The Conservative party only got into power because they got support of the Liberal Democrats. They basically took power without the consent of the people. This non-democratic system is why some people want proportional respresentation in this country.

Oh. I somehow had stuck in my brain that (don't ask me how) Liberals promised not to raise these educational fees (WOW you can really tell I am neither English native nor un-tired) and then won the election and raised those fees. But if Conservatives are involved it makes more sense. Hope you have enough natural resources in the UK to be able to afford making education non-accessible to many.

 

[sneakypenguin]

snip

Oh and to the people against state funded universities. I have a reasonably high IQ and I have 2 high scored degrees I'm a BA/BSc but my family is working class and in no way would I have been able to afford university without help. Should I have been left to work in a factory? Is that what your saying?

You could... you know just get a job/loan/grant/scholarship... Idk that's just me though, seems easy enough unless your a liberal arts student in which case good luck paying it back flipping burgers lol.


OT. Some anarchist are always trying to upstage some leftwing event, G8 protest, environmental protest etc. Personally I would like to see them do it in an area with the castle/no duty to retreat doctrine, wouldn't that be fun, riots would last all of 15 seconds.

 

[Worgen]

Yes the wreck of the economy is caused by socialists and not by capitalist bankers giving themselves millions of dollars of pay and then having to be bailed out by the governments you so demonise.

Do me a favor, point out where I said the bankers were pristine? That's a bit off topic, but lets be honest, government programs were enticing the bankers to act in the way they did. Rating programs, the whole community housing acts, giving people loans who could never pay it back because they were in an "under-served" community (e.g. poor enough that they can't pay the loan back) caused a bubble to form.

After people saw just how bad the housing bubble was, they sold their toxic investments to other industries, and the whole thing went kablooie. The banks are at fault for being complicit, but the prime evil in that problem was the government.

you mean a company would game the system to get as much out of it as it could? NOO I refuse to believe it, ITS NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!

programs like that exist for reasons but its practicly impossible to prevent a company from gaming them if they put enough effort into it since a company will be willing to spend millions on everything from people who will examine every bit of the language to find loop holes to exploit to just donating money to elected officials to prevent the closing of certain oddly worded parts and when you consider that the regulatory agencies that are in charge of keeping an eye on this sort of thing probably only have a budget of a few hundred thousand, its no wonder the system gets gamed

 

[Trolldor]

The student fees could be as much as tripled in some cases, hence the outrage.
But this was compounded with disappointment at backpeddaling by both parties, combined with a sence of betrayal.

The student protests were performed badly, not unjustly.

These protests were much bigger, much larger, and all over purported 'cuts' to help save Britain's economy.
Meanwhile the Government introduces tax cuts?
Hardly consistent with trying to store money.

 

[balanovich]

"Demonstrators swarm central London to protest spending cuts"

You don't spend enough money on us so we are going to break shit!!!!
...
Then you'll have to pay for the damage and have even less money for us!!!
YEAH!, We the people rule !


Why are people so stupid?