And just when I was being to think the police couldn't get anymore ridiculous.
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BZZT! WRONG! I have absolutely no obligation to society, at all, ever, in any circumstance, period. I AM society, at least as much as you are, and one cannot be obliged to oneself. Also, police ostensibly serve the government, not the society. You have no obligations toward the government except those that you willingly accept. (For various definitions of "Willingly")ravensheart18 said:
But once you think that you HAVE to do anything that a police officer says, you live in a police state, where the police are a law unto themselves. If you choose to live in that world, I cannot stop you. But for gods' sakes, stop trying to force your police state on me!
I completely agree. You don't give someone your blind obedience just because they're wearing a uniform and carry a gun. Odds are, I'm a good deal smarter than some guy who spent 3 months at police academy just so he could carry a gun in public.deciusbrutus said:
First questionCrash486 said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.78482?page=1 there ya go.
I said nothing about it being non existant but saying 'most' is ignorant. Yes corruption does occur but this is not the case. This is something small that got out of hand. Both parties are at fault. She should've just said "Okay" or "I'd rather not." If anyone else in the world said that to her and she reacted with venomous bile you'd think she was crazy. Blanket statements like 'most cops are stupid' or 'most cops are corrupt' are bigoted. I agree wholeheartedly that an ordienece on the books of such a thing as holding a handrail is retarded. Blaming a cop for a law existing is silly. Blame the English lawmakers.
You should be polite to everyone not just cops. You are not in your rights to tell ANYONE to fuck right off for offering you a friendly/helpful suggestion to your safety.
*facepalm* When I though it couldn't get any worse, and fined $420! Thats one expensive escalator ride.
for what i heard in the news here, she went crazy, yelled at the police, and make a big scene out of it, but after she went in the news and said that she didnt do anything. her version and the police version are completely opposite, so somebody lie in that story...
if she would just have hold the rail when the police told her to do three time, she wouldnt have had a ticket to pay. if she would have showed her ids when the police asked her, she wouldnt have been arrested...
if she would just have hold the rail when the police told her to do three time, she wouldnt have had a ticket to pay. if she would have showed her ids when the police asked her, she wouldnt have been arrested...
I just got a 150 dollar ticket the other day for taking a right at a red light. Here's the thing: there was no sign that said I couldn't take a right, so I wasn't breaking any laws. When I told this to the officer, he said that I took the turn too fast, and didn't look to see if any cars were coming. Well, he had plenty of time to get behind me without even stopping at the light, and if there were cars coming at me, why would I take the turn? Usually, I'd just pay the ticket, but this one is too much money so I have to appeal it in court. I'm sure the moron won't show up anyways.
As I'm watching the news right now, there is footage of cops beating the hell out of a guy who gave them a chase. Oh, and he wrecked and was thrown from his vehicle. So, already injured, they run over and start punching and kicking him, and this is like 6 cops doing this.
It's really starting to get ridiculous, there's no oversight for these people whatsoever. Things really have to change.
As I'm watching the news right now, there is footage of cops beating the hell out of a guy who gave them a chase. Oh, and he wrecked and was thrown from his vehicle. So, already injured, they run over and start punching and kicking him, and this is like 6 cops doing this.
It's really starting to get ridiculous, there's no oversight for these people whatsoever. Things really have to change.
I think your missing a key point here. The key element is she was I quote "looking for money to buy a metro ticket".
This basically implies that she did not have any money to buy said ticket, and wasn't exactly heading over to the ATM. "Looking for money" in this context meaning either panhandling or scrounging. Neither of which are things you want going on in any public place for obvious reasons.
Of course I admit I'm an unusually ruthless twit as a former Casino security officer with all the goobers running around saying they lost their money and begging people for money for a ticket home (or cab fare) where I used to work. Half the time this being BS, and the other half the time when they do it it's the result of stupidity (gambling away all their money).
Then you have "fleas" and similar kinds of behavior. You know, dudes who come to the casino specifically so they can run around looking for money people dropped or left unattended (loose chips, coins on the floor near slot machines, a quarter or two someone missed picking upin a tray, etc...). We actually had what amounted to gang wars between groups of scroungers trying to mark "territory" since you can actually make decent amounts of money that way.
You don't want panhandlers and vagrants, of course proving some of these people are loitering can be a problem. Thus you wind up looking for any excuse to eject or remove someone for being a nuisance.
As this was a public place it doubtlessly fell to the police, and I can pretty much guarantee that if things went down like it sounds, she basically attracted enough attention that she got her own police escort wandering around nitpicking to find anything she did wrong. When she got annoyed and turned around and snapped at them, she ultimatly gave them exactly what they wanted.... which was the point.
See to an extent I've been of the opinion that you shouldn't even have to go to these lengths to get rid of someone under those circumstances. However I understand why it's a touchy subject with civil liberties and such (ie to allow for it, you'd wind up opening the door for extremely arbitrary uses of authority that would be even worse in the long run).
I'm not even sure if this counts as newsworthy, basically you've got some left winger trying to rouse rabble in the media for the heck of it. Sort of like some of the articles that circulate when the authorities start cracking down on a homeless problem. Sure it's not nice, but you also want to be able to walk the streets without being accosted by beggers, or having people leap on your car with squeegies and their hand out as soon as you park.
Despite how it might sound I do have some sympathy for the homeless, but I also don't want to have people begging money from me constantly when I can't afford to do anything about it since i'm trying to avoid becoming one of them.
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This basically implies that she did not have any money to buy said ticket, and wasn't exactly heading over to the ATM. "Looking for money" in this context meaning either panhandling or scrounging. Neither of which are things you want going on in any public place for obvious reasons.
Of course I admit I'm an unusually ruthless twit as a former Casino security officer with all the goobers running around saying they lost their money and begging people for money for a ticket home (or cab fare) where I used to work. Half the time this being BS, and the other half the time when they do it it's the result of stupidity (gambling away all their money).
Then you have "fleas" and similar kinds of behavior. You know, dudes who come to the casino specifically so they can run around looking for money people dropped or left unattended (loose chips, coins on the floor near slot machines, a quarter or two someone missed picking upin a tray, etc...). We actually had what amounted to gang wars between groups of scroungers trying to mark "territory" since you can actually make decent amounts of money that way.
You don't want panhandlers and vagrants, of course proving some of these people are loitering can be a problem. Thus you wind up looking for any excuse to eject or remove someone for being a nuisance.
As this was a public place it doubtlessly fell to the police, and I can pretty much guarantee that if things went down like it sounds, she basically attracted enough attention that she got her own police escort wandering around nitpicking to find anything she did wrong. When she got annoyed and turned around and snapped at them, she ultimatly gave them exactly what they wanted.... which was the point.
See to an extent I've been of the opinion that you shouldn't even have to go to these lengths to get rid of someone under those circumstances. However I understand why it's a touchy subject with civil liberties and such (ie to allow for it, you'd wind up opening the door for extremely arbitrary uses of authority that would be even worse in the long run).
I'm not even sure if this counts as newsworthy, basically you've got some left winger trying to rouse rabble in the media for the heck of it. Sort of like some of the articles that circulate when the authorities start cracking down on a homeless problem. Sure it's not nice, but you also want to be able to walk the streets without being accosted by beggers, or having people leap on your car with squeegies and their hand out as soon as you park.
Despite how it might sound I do have some sympathy for the homeless, but I also don't want to have people begging money from me constantly when I can't afford to do anything about it since i'm trying to avoid becoming one of them.
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You SHOULD be polite to everyone, that's common courtesy. You HAVE to be polite to cops, that's fascism. Unfortunately it's just the way it works. I don't even have to break the law by using an obscenity to be rude in order to get nailed. I can simply say "whatever" and brush him off, and I'm just as arrested, or at the very least I'm warned a second time, in which case if my behavior doesn't change I'm arrested.ace_of_something said:
I agree, not ALL cops are corrupt, but you can certainly see how there would be such a sentiment with so many examples of cops tazing children, wrongfully killing people, dragging people out of their cars and beating them for speeding, etc. in the news. Generalizing any one group of people is ignorant, but people do especially when they generally hear about the bad things cops do instead of the good things cops do. I have first hand witnessed police brutality, abuse of power. I've seen people get tickets for ridiculous things, I've seen cops come to organized events and just fuck with people because they can, and when people film it and threaten to report them they unclip their gun and tell you to turn the camera off.
There are alot of good cops out there, I'm sure. You have to imagine, there are alot of bad cops out there too. I can't assume that what I've witnessed are just isolated events, they happen everywhere, hence people's general negative sentiment towards the boys in blue.
I also kind of want to see this law that says "you must hold the hand rail while riding the escalator" in writing. I know crazy laws exist... but seriously?
Actually, most states in the US its legal to make a right turn at a red light. However you are supposed to treat that red light like a stop sign, as in you must stop and look to see if cars are coming, if they are you are to yield to them. If he didn't come to a "complete" stop and sort of rolled through the intersection, then the cop is within his rights to give him a ticket, but its still sort of a dick ticket. Now if the light had just turned red, and instead of stopping you breezed through in attempt to beat traffic, then that's a ticket for sure and a well deserved one at that.LimaBravo said:
So....she doesn't hold the bannister and gets fined.
She doesn't get polite about it when asked if she could hold the bannister for safety.
Both of them are up their own ass.
She doesn't get polite about it when asked if she could hold the bannister for safety.
Both of them are up their own ass.
