And now I just dont know anymore. Bus monitor gets harassed.

[DudeistBelieve]

For fucks sake, don't be one of those folks that dissects and argument bit by bit. Just quote what I wrote and write a response underneath. It's fucking annoying. (not an attack at you sir, I just hate that posting style.)

I do it because it helps ensure I'm organizing my thoughts properly, and so there's no confusion what I'm responding to -- we're not the only ones reading this conversation, let's assume.

*rolls eyes* If I become a cop, getting shot out and hearing cries of "FUCK THA POLICE" comes with the territory. If I choose to be soldier, taking someones life comes with the territory. If I'm watching little kids, getting called juvenile names comes with that territory. So no, you're wrong.

Not so. See, if I'm a cop or a soldier (or working in retail, etc., like you mention), I'm dealing with other adults. Assholes though they may be, it's not my place to judge or correct their behavior or manners. A cop can arrest someone for doing something illegal, not just for doing something rude.

But as a teacher, teacher assistant, or other adult monitor in a school setting, you're an adult in charge of students. Then, it is your place to judge and correct that behavior. That is what "comes with the territory."

I always took direction better from the people that assured me that they where just doing their jobs to earn their paychecks then the jerks that would stare down at me from their position of inscrutable power and say they were right simply because school policy said though.

Clearly you've never been a teacher. Sorry, but with 50 kids in the room (And make no mistake, I have that every day), there just isn't time to laboriously explain myself to each and every child. Adults, that's another matter -- we're on equal footing. But, sorry, sometimes kids just have to accept that the adult is In Charge.

I let my kids know at the beginning of each year that I'm glad to explain myself. Later, in private. But during class? Nope. No time. I say it, you do it, ask about it later. 49 other kids in the room don't want you taking up their time with pointless questions (that pretty much always amount to stalling and trying to get out of work).

Dude I was 18 in my senior year of high school. Legally old enough to smoke, have sex, and be drafted into the war. If I committed murder at that age, I'd be tried as an adult. Who is the school/faculty/anyone to say that at that point that I don't have the right to listen to my ipod during my free period?

How's this: They're the people running the place. It's that simple. It doesn't matter to me if you're 8 or 80, if you come into my house and do something I don't want, you can either stop it or I'll make you leave. Because it ain't a partnership.

Congratulations that you can point to an instance when someone made the wrong call. When you're in charge of keeping track of a couple hundred folks at a time, see if you don't mess up every now and again. And that's the issue -- the whining child is only processing the situation from his egocentric point of view, while the adult is having to juggle a few dozen other people.

It's incredibly aggravating to debate someone that way and comes across as disrespectful.

So basically children are human beings to you cause they're not 18 years old.

If you don't have the common courtesy to explain yourself then and there why should a child have the courtesy to follow your directions? Just accepting that an adult is incharge your breeding them either resentment towards proper authority or to blindly accept authority.

And now your generalizing your students. Gee tell me when you see bigger student in confrontation with a smaller one you also automatically assume the bigger one was the aggressor right?

Comparing it to your house implies there some sort of invitation. The education system is something the child is required by both law and society to attend to, so it's not like they have a choice. If the public school system wants to treat an 18 year old like a 16 year old they shouldn't be drafted into war or charged as an adult when they commit murder.

No congratulations on you, because I know my situation wasn't an isolated incident and your teaching style and the millions of other teachers that adopt that same attitude breed this cesspool.

 

[GistoftheFist]

Maybe instead of violence to solve the cruelty of the current generation (as every commenter on this story on other sites screams about allowing overzealous teachers to beat students with paddles) more kids should be sent to "scared straight" programs. It's pretty easy to see how quickly tough-guy teens crumble when a hardened convict is screaming at them. Let them get a taste of what real intimidation is, then see if they keep harassing old ladies.

 

[itsthesheppy]

A fund to send her on a nice vacation has raised $400,000 so far.

Nice to see that the internet isn't always bad.

 

[oneeyemug]

That was a horrifying thing to listen to. But just imagine if this whole thing turns out to be a get-rich-quick scheme, which the kids, the YouTube poster, and the woman are all in on. The purpose being so that the woman can finally retire. If not, I can imagine someone trying similar in the future.

 

[Programmed_For_Damage]

I really hate this current generation that is growing up. They are mostly self entitled little shits.

People have been saying that for literally thousands of years.

The exact same thing was said about your generation and every generation before or since.

There's actually a documented version of this from like 730BC. Hesiod's Theogony has this crap about golden races and stuff and how we're the absolute worst of the worst. Yay for random college classes I take as broadening units teaching me stuff!

I actually remember reading about that. If current me met the me of 20 years ago I'd probably slap myself out of anger. Bloody little shit I was.

But seriously this generation is the worst in history ;-)

 

[Dastardly]

No congratulations on you, because I know my situation wasn't an isolated incident and your teaching style and the millions of other teachers that adopt that same attitude breed this cesspool.

And yet, with the utter contempt for good manners dripping from your every other word, you still display the audacity to criticize me as "disrespectful?"

You use that word when it suits you -- you don't care for the way I sort my discussion, so you declare it "disrespectful" to get me to drop it. The difference is that I can demonstrate why it is helpful to all involved, while you're just saying you don't like it.

See where this is going? You're the kind of person that pretends to build a case against authority figures because they're poaching on your turf. You continually try to mandate and dictate the terms of discussion, you state your opinions as facts despite lacking evidence, and you take the tone that anyone who disagrees is ignorant.

The only reason you don't like the dictator is because you want the job. Prosecution rests.

 

[Yearlongjester]

Some kids, some people even, are pretty nasty to other people. That's just the way things are and the way they have always been, things have not suddenly degenerated. If anything they're getting better.

This. Stop pretending like this is a recent problem, or has everyone in History been huggy-bunch nice to one another and only in the last ten years have there been war, genocide, abuse, rape, and general callousness?

 

[Dastardly]

Some kids, some people even, are pretty nasty to other people. That's just the way things are and the way they have always been, things have not suddenly degenerated. If anything they're getting better.

This. Stop pretending like this is a recent problem, or has everyone in History been huggy-bunch nice to one another and only in the last ten years have there been war, genocide, abuse, rape, and general callousness?

Sure, there's some of that at play here. Due to the greatly increased speed of information, we're better able to see the problem, which makes the problem appear bigger.

But we can surely also recognize that kids can also use that faster stream of information (and the larger audience it promises them) to get into larger trouble. It's not that kids are different. It's that parents are different and that the tools available to kids are vastly different.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

If my child did that, I would beat them to a pulp.

That is disgusting, and those little shits need a fist in their face.

You'd psychical abuse someone because they verbally abused another? Hypocrisy isn't a good thing and neither is hurting people. You're no better than the children that harassed the poor woman if you believe violence is the solution.

OT: I saw this on the news. Quite sad. But I think this also demonstrates the better side of humanity; that fund to give her a holiday has received much more support than the number of people who bullied her. It's another case of the vocal minority attempting to overshadow the better majority - but it shan't happen!

 

[ultrachicken]

I really hate this current generation that is growing up. They are mostly self entitled little shits.

Lawl, I dislike you as much as the kids in the video right now. A lot.

Agreed.

Some kids, some people even, are pretty nasty to other people. That's just the way things are and the way they have always been, things have not suddenly degenerated. If anything they're getting better.

Also this.

Basically, the kids in the video are assholes and the OP thinks his/her generation is superior simply because he/she was born into it. Not much more to say.

That's not true, he thinks his generation is superior because it is. The current generation of kids is growing up dehumanized by remote communication. Soon, the little bastards won't even know how to talk to another human being face to face. Those kids in that video are sociopathic, and thats the fucking norm for their age group. Open your eyes.

Put forth some actual evidence instead of just pointing at some anecdotes and some theory you came up with. I'm not going to take you seriously otherwise.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

No congratulations on you, because I know my situation wasn't an isolated incident and your teaching style and the millions of other teachers that adopt that same attitude breed this cesspool.

And yet, with the utter contempt for good manners dripping from your every other word, you still display the audacity to criticize me as "disrespectful?"

You use that word when it suits you -- you don't care for the way I sort my discussion, so you declare it "disrespectful" to get me to drop it. The difference is that I can demonstrate why it is helpful to all involved, while you're just saying you don't like it.

See where this is going? You're the kind of person that pretends to build a case against authority figures because they're poaching on your turf. You continually try to mandate and dictate the terms of discussion, you state your opinions as facts despite lacking evidence, and you take the tone that anyone who disagrees is ignorant.

The only reason you don't like the dictator is because you want the job. Prosecution rests.

Dude do you do that to people that talk to you face to face? When your students speak to you in person do you go and dissect what they say sentence by sentence after they say it? No you don't. Ya know why? Cause it's annoying in person and twice annoying online.

Fancy you just assuming again, the same way you assume every question and protests your students must make must be about them trying to stall or get out of work. Boy I really hope none of them are having actual problems at home and go to you with it. You'd likely brush them off and tell them to deal with it later. See the problem? I too can make broad generalizations on you based upon our brief interaction online.

People are people. Just writing it off as the authority figures not having enough time to do the right thing is NOT okay. But go on believing that teaching kids not to question or challenge authority is okay. It's not like that led to things like the Nazis killing people or anything.

But clearly ya know the horrible experiences I've had as a child in the educational system is the exception not the rule, and since your a teacher treating all your little students with cold indifference instead of treating them like adults.... oh boy what a lie that was, every year school they faculty would lie and say they'd treat us like adults when they flat out never did. Yeah sir, I don't know much about being a teacher but I know plenty about dealing with people and even more about being a student getting fucked by the system.

Oh wait no, I'm sorry, I'm just a dictator. #Sarcasm

 

[xDarc]

I really hate this current generation that is growing up. They are mostly self entitled little shits.

People are saying every generation thinks less of the one after them, and to some extent that's true. Technology makes things easier, makes people lazier,etc.

I'm 30 years old, a disclaimer. I have a general disdain for today's youth also. I like to consider myself a pretty rational person, with opinions that have some basis on reality. I am sitting here wondering if my dislike of young people is instinctual, automatic without justification. However, I don't believe it is.

I believe that there are things going on at an unprecedented scale that makes young people today come up short. The single income family with the stay at home parent is a fairy tale now. They've been replaced by the single parent family and daycare. Who's raising these children?

Apparently, Steve Jobs is. Because single parents who cannot spend time with their children buy them things to make up for it. Gadgets that require no imagination and no intelligence, and will do anything you want if you can push a god damn button. Anything where you can't push a button and make it work instantly anymore, apparently isn't worth doing.

You know what I think? I don't think I'm off my nut, I think were on the brink of the collapse of western society. If noting else, I think the complete lack of civility, common sense and patience of young people is certainly setting them up to fail quite hard in the next couple decades.

 

[Jaeke]

Good on Matt Lauer(?) for his comment to parents of the kids on T.V.

Oooh, what did he say?

Something along the lines of "I'm taking my time on national T.V. to adress to the parents of these little monsters that you have failed to raise them as human beings." or something like that.

 

[gyroscopeboy]

The moral of the story is, only appoint a muscled, glistening Adonis as bus monitor.





...one that also shoots lasers.

 

[cgaWolf]

I'd like to scream and swear about the current generation of kids, then i remember that it's my generation that raised them into what they are. This whole "everyone's the same, everyone's special" bullshit we were raised on surely hasn't done the next generation any favours.

 

[Krion_Vark]

I really hate this current generation that is growing up. They are mostly self entitled little shits. This though this is just down right disgusting.


There is also an Indiegogo going to give her a vaction and has already raised 100k of the wanted 5k.

http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein

As for discussion value what would you do if you were the parents to any of the kids involved.

they raised 200,000 dollars for her and the police has found the 4 of them.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/vidPlayer.aspx?videoId=38269

she did not press charges against them.

people can be dicks sometimes and more so when they are in a group/clan.

They are actually up to over 500,000 now. It is crazy what people will do when they band together.

 

[gnihton]

The best part is the kids are so afraid they had to get police officers to sit outside their houses. They can't even leave their home.

Should I feel bad for delighting in that knowledge?

Of course not, it would take quite a high horse to try and justify sympathy for those creatures.

 

[Dryk]

Parents these days, though-- not all of them, thankfully; some are actually behaving like parents instead of their kids' best buddy-- seem to think that it's perfectly fine to allow 'precious snowflake' to do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whoever they want. Spankings are now called 'abuse' and there doesn't seem to be any sense of discipline at all. Something like that isn't 'kids being kids' and I think the parents deserve a good slap themselves for letting their kids become the little monsters in that video. I mean, hell, there have been times when I've been outright cussed out by some little punkass kid.

I shudder to think of what's going to happen when the bubblewrap generation start having children en masse