And thus Batman's descent into Grimdark Edgelord-ness is complete.

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

This is really making miss comics in the 90's when the characters were super stylized and dumb as hell, and no-one had ever heard of identity politics.

Don't forget all the sex appeal and fan service Comics got away with.

Harley Quinn was like a sex symbol of comic book females in the 90s I think.

 

[Marik2]

This is really making miss comics in the 90's when the characters were super stylized and dumb as hell, and no-one had ever heard of identity politics.

Don't forget all the sex appeal and fan service Comics got away with.

Harley Quinn was like a sex symbol of comic book females in the 90s I think.

shes still kinda is

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

This is really making miss comics in the 90's when the characters were super stylized and dumb as hell, and no-one had ever heard of identity politics.

Don't forget all the sex appeal and fan service Comics got away with.

Harley Quinn was like a sex symbol of comic book females in the 90s I think.

shes still kinda is

Heck I dare say she is now the face of DC supplanting both Superman and Batman.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

This is really making miss comics in the 90's when the characters were super stylized and dumb as hell, and no-one had ever heard of identity politics.

I'd settle for the days when Marvel/Dc weren't so focused on being "socially conscious" or "darker and edgier" and making more events than one-shot issues.

God, I hate current comic trends.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

This is really making miss comics in the 90's when the characters were super stylized and dumb as hell, and no-one had ever heard of identity politics.

I'd settle for the days when Marvel/Dc weren't so focused on being "socially conscious" or "darker and edgier" and making more events than one-shot issues.

God, I hate current comic trends.

How is that current? The only way you're escaping that is if you go back to the silver age in the 50s and 60s.

Okay, let me rephrase that: I hate how certain superhero comics are trying to be more serious and edgy without some levity. And I?m not opposed to a bit of messages in the story, I feel like people are overthinking them. All I want is to be able to enjoy my escapist fantasy in peace.

(I probably didn?t phrase my last comment very well...)

 

[Palindromemordnilap_v1legacy]

This is really making miss comics in the 90's when the characters were super stylized and dumb as hell, and no-one had ever heard of identity politics.

I too miss the 90's teams like SHOOTKILL, BLOODSOURGE, KILLERSHOT, DEATHTYME, AND SHOOTBLOODKILL SQUAD

So many pouches, and such tiny feet

 

[Bilious Green_v1legacy]

This is really making miss comics in the 90's when the characters were super stylized and dumb as hell, and no-one had ever heard of identity politics.

I too miss the 90's teams like SHOOTKILL, BLOODSOURGE, KILLERSHOT, DEATHTYME, AND SHOOTBLOODKILL SQUAD

Well, I did say they were dumb as hell, but that was part of the charm.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Anyone here actually read the book? Glancing through, it doesn't look like that many. It's a solid issue in a solid story-line that's 100% critical of the Grim Knight's methods. In fact, that timeline's version of Jim Gordon leads a one man investigation away from the Grim Knight's constant surveillance and takes him down "by the book" to prove the system can work.

This is a one-shot story taking place in the "Batman who Laughs" ongoing that is pitting Bruce against the darkest and worst reflections of himself from alternate universes. This is a criticism of dark, edgy Batman as much as Azrael was during Knightfall.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Anyone here actually read the book? Glancing through, it doesn't look like that many. It's a solid issue in a solid story-line that's 100% critical of the Grim Knight's methods. In fact, that timeline's version of Jim Gordon leads a one man investigation away from the Grim Knight's constant surveillance and takes him down "by the book" to prove the system can work.

This is a one-shot story taking place in the "Batman who Laughs" ongoing that is pitting Bruce against the darkest and worst reflections of himself from alternate universes. This is a criticism of dark, edgy Batman as much as Azrael was during Knightfall.

Of course it is. Because ultimately every single alternate universe Batman is the Batman that went too far in x direction. Because that's all they know what to do with the idea.

Comics inability to let go of old characters was it's downfall

I dunno, can't say I agree with you there. I don't see anything wrong with keeping iconic and popular characters around. People connect and embrace these heroes for a reason.

You seem to be implying that that leads to nothing but the recycling of ideas. I'll acknowledge that's definitely a risk and something that isn't always avoided (in any medium, not only comics). But I don't think claiming that every alternate version of Batman is a good example here. There are other universes/earths/stories where Batman is a Green Lantern, a vigilante going after Jack the Ripper, a Nazi, a secret agent, even a vampire. Say what you want about the over-saturation of Batman, but you can't maintain writers are constantly throwing weird shit at the wall.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Anyone here actually read the book? Glancing through, it doesn't look like that many. It's a solid issue in a solid story-line that's 100% critical of the Grim Knight's methods. In fact, that timeline's version of Jim Gordon leads a one man investigation away from the Grim Knight's constant surveillance and takes him down "by the book" to prove the system can work.

This is a one-shot story taking place in the "Batman who Laughs" ongoing that is pitting Bruce against the darkest and worst reflections of himself from alternate universes. This is a criticism of dark, edgy Batman as much as Azrael was during Knightfall.

Of course it is. Because ultimately every single alternate universe Batman is the Batman that went too far in x direction. Because that's all they know what to do with the idea.

Comics inability to let go of old characters was it's downfall

I dunno, can't say I agree with you there. I don't see anything wrong with keeping iconic and popular characters around. People connect and embrace these heroes for a reason.

You seem to be implying that that leads to nothing but the recycling of ideas. I'll acknowledge that's definitely a risk and something that isn't always avoided (in any medium, not only comics). But I don't think claiming that every alternate version of Batman is a good example here. There are other universes/earths/stories where Batman is a Green Lantern, a vigilante going after Jack the Ripper, a Nazi, a secret agent, even a vampire. Say what you want about the over-saturation of Batman, but you can't maintain writers are constantly throwing weird shit at the wall.

How many times the Teen Titans Comic Books recycled the Judas Contract and the Trigon story arcs over the decades?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Anyone here actually read the book? Glancing through, it doesn't look like that many. It's a solid issue in a solid story-line that's 100% critical of the Grim Knight's methods. In fact, that timeline's version of Jim Gordon leads a one man investigation away from the Grim Knight's constant surveillance and takes him down "by the book" to prove the system can work.

This is a one-shot story taking place in the "Batman who Laughs" ongoing that is pitting Bruce against the darkest and worst reflections of himself from alternate universes. This is a criticism of dark, edgy Batman as much as Azrael was during Knightfall.

Of course it is. Because ultimately every single alternate universe Batman is the Batman that went too far in x direction. Because that's all they know what to do with the idea.

Comics inability to let go of old characters was it's downfall

I dunno, can't say I agree with you there. I don't see anything wrong with keeping iconic and popular characters around. People connect and embrace these heroes for a reason.

You seem to be implying that that leads to nothing but the recycling of ideas. I'll acknowledge that's definitely a risk and something that isn't always avoided (in any medium, not only comics). But I don't think claiming that every alternate version of Batman is a good example here. There are other universes/earths/stories where Batman is a Green Lantern, a vigilante going after Jack the Ripper, a Nazi, a secret agent, even a vampire. Say what you want about the over-saturation of Batman, but you can't maintain writers are constantly throwing weird shit at the wall.

It exactly is recycling old ideas. How many times has wolverine died? How many times has wolverine came back to life?

He'll, a couple years ago they promised us that he was dead for real this time and

Oh look he's back on the x men team. Several x men teams.

Like people ***** about identity politics and legacy characters but fuck comics created their own atmosphere of unyielding change themselves. They *have* to make whatever new character they want to introduce simply a new person using an old name just so the few readers they have left will pick it up.

How many times Superman and Batman "died"

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Anyone here actually read the book? Glancing through, it doesn't look like that many. It's a solid issue in a solid story-line that's 100% critical of the Grim Knight's methods. In fact, that timeline's version of Jim Gordon leads a one man investigation away from the Grim Knight's constant surveillance and takes him down "by the book" to prove the system can work.

This is a one-shot story taking place in the "Batman who Laughs" ongoing that is pitting Bruce against the darkest and worst reflections of himself from alternate universes. This is a criticism of dark, edgy Batman as much as Azrael was during Knightfall.

Of course it is. Because ultimately every single alternate universe Batman is the Batman that went too far in x direction. Because that's all they know what to do with the idea.

Comics inability to let go of old characters was it's downfall

I dunno, can't say I agree with you there. I don't see anything wrong with keeping iconic and popular characters around. People connect and embrace these heroes for a reason.

You seem to be implying that that leads to nothing but the recycling of ideas. I'll acknowledge that's definitely a risk and something that isn't always avoided (in any medium, not only comics). But I don't think claiming that every alternate version of Batman is a good example here. There are other universes/earths/stories where Batman is a Green Lantern, a vigilante going after Jack the Ripper, a Nazi, a secret agent, even a vampire. Say what you want about the over-saturation of Batman, but you can't maintain writers are constantly throwing weird shit at the wall.

It exactly is recycling old ideas. How many times has wolverine died? How many times has wolverine came back to life?

He'll, a couple years ago they promised us that he was dead for real this time and

Oh look he's back on the x men team. Several x men teams.

Like people ***** about identity politics and legacy characters but fuck comics created their own atmosphere of unyielding change themselves. They *have* to make whatever new character they want to introduce simply a new person using an old name just so the few readers they have left will pick it up.

How many times Superman and Batman "died"

Too. Many. Times.

Remember the tower of Babel arc where it was a shock when Batman had plans to take down every member of the justice league? But that story has been references and copied so many times it's just part of his character now and not shocking in the slightest?

All I know is that Arc is just one big giant fanwank of "BATMAN IS DA GREATEST HERO EVER, HE CAN BEAT EVERYONEZ!!!"

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Anyone here actually read the book? Glancing through, it doesn't look like that many. It's a solid issue in a solid story-line that's 100% critical of the Grim Knight's methods. In fact, that timeline's version of Jim Gordon leads a one man investigation away from the Grim Knight's constant surveillance and takes him down "by the book" to prove the system can work.

This is a one-shot story taking place in the "Batman who Laughs" ongoing that is pitting Bruce against the darkest and worst reflections of himself from alternate universes. This is a criticism of dark, edgy Batman as much as Azrael was during Knightfall.

Of course it is. Because ultimately every single alternate universe Batman is the Batman that went too far in x direction. Because that's all they know what to do with the idea.

Comics inability to let go of old characters was it's downfall

I dunno, can't say I agree with you there. I don't see anything wrong with keeping iconic and popular characters around. People connect and embrace these heroes for a reason.

You seem to be implying that that leads to nothing but the recycling of ideas. I'll acknowledge that's definitely a risk and something that isn't always avoided (in any medium, not only comics). But I don't think claiming that every alternate version of Batman is a good example here. There are other universes/earths/stories where Batman is a Green Lantern, a vigilante going after Jack the Ripper, a Nazi, a secret agent, even a vampire. Say what you want about the over-saturation of Batman, but you can't maintain writers are constantly throwing weird shit at the wall.

It exactly is recycling old ideas. How many times has wolverine died? How many times has wolverine came back to life?

He'll, a couple years ago they promised us that he was dead for real this time and

Oh look he's back on the x men team. Several x men teams.

Like people ***** about identity politics and legacy characters but fuck comics created their own atmosphere of unyielding change themselves. They *have* to make whatever new character they want to introduce simply a new person using an old name just so the few readers they have left will pick it up.

How many times Superman and Batman "died"

Too. Many. Times.

Remember the tower of Babel arc where it was a shock when Batman had plans to take down every member of the justice league? But that story has been references and copied so many times it's just part of his character now and not shocking in the slightest?

All I know is that Arc is just one big giant fanwank of "BATMAN IS DA GREATEST HERO EVER, HE CAN BEAT EVERYONEZ!!!"

That's not exactly the tone in the original story. But it's certainly what it has evolved into through retellings and how Batman fans perceive the caped crusader.

Don't get me started on his rogues gallery either. They've been ran through the wash so often they're pretty much ruined in print.

Hmm, mabye I should give it a read sometime.

Along with other classic DC stuff like JLA: The Nail, an Elseworlds story about a Justice League and DC World without Superman.