Sorry about the misconception. My eyes skipped the "then" starting off your first reply to my original statement, thus changing the entire message perceived. That was my bad.Soviet Heavy said:
Animé or Western Animation: Which is more artistically diverse?
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Scanning past them and making assumptions? How lazy. For the sake of brevity, then, just watch the Hokuto No Ken one, then look at the One Piece one.The Youth Counselor said:
...Finished? Can you truly tell me that Ken (main Hokuto guy) has the same anatomical proportions as Luffy (hatted One Piece guy)? Because that is a complete load of crock.
Also, don't act like Western animation doesn't have tropes as well. You have your Disney knockoffs, your more rounded designs like Family Guy or The Simpsons, your more angular pseudo-chibis from Nickelodeon, etc. I could also make cracks at physical reaction things they use, like stars to indicate impact or birds flying around peoples' heads when stunned, in the same way you might complain about pulsing "angry" veins or exaggerated sweat drops. It's just a difference of culture.
Lastly, ALL cartoons over-emphasize the eyes, be they Western or Anime.
I thought it was a European country...<.<The Youth Counselor said:I wouldn't call Israel an European country.Sacman said:Wait... That's Waltz With Bashir... it's a European film...<.<Squarez said:
OT: I dunno Anime is more diverse right now because of the shear amount of shows being pumped out but back in the 70's and 80's with films like American Pop and Coon Skin Western animation had a lot more diversity though that didn't last long and cartoons went back to being strictly for kids...<.<
besides it doesn't mean anything anyway since I misinterpreted the context, I thought he was using it as an example of Japanese animation...<.<
Yeah I really like that as well.Gigaguy64 said:I freaking LOVE the difference between the Transformation themes.Marik2 said:LOL Im still gonna post itDrakmeire said:
Panty and Stocking' theme is upbeat and fun.
While Scanty and Kneesock's theme sounds Corrupted and Darker, while still being catchy.
Off topic for a sec...sorry....
But tbh the only thing I like about the show is the unique blend of styles it has.
And Stocking as well...
You guys are all crazy...
Most Japanese people will even admit that anime tends to look the same. There are a few different styles, but the animation itself is always very similar, and there are a few artistic traits that seem to show up a lot more than you'd expect (e.g. anime eyes). That doesn't make it worse though.
JapAnime is just based more on the technical aspect of animation than the innovative aspect.
On the other hand, Western animation has a bit of an advantage in that there is this weird stigma on animation in general that makes it (usually) more profitable to market to children, and kids don't care what kind of crazy shit you put on the screen so long as it's colorful.
Most Japanese people will even admit that anime tends to look the same. There are a few different styles, but the animation itself is always very similar, and there are a few artistic traits that seem to show up a lot more than you'd expect (e.g. anime eyes). That doesn't make it worse though.
JapAnime is just based more on the technical aspect of animation than the innovative aspect.
On the other hand, Western animation has a bit of an advantage in that there is this weird stigma on animation in general that makes it (usually) more profitable to market to children, and kids don't care what kind of crazy shit you put on the screen so long as it's colorful.
You're welcome.[/sarcasm] But seriously, I could have been much worse. I could have been all "Anime is teh suxorz and your a ****** is you like anime" It wasn't even a pointless discussion afterwards either. I personally had my eyes opened to the all of the different styles of anime that are out there.Kyogissun said:
Oh and I think that both are equally diverse
One last thing though, if a discussion about anime was pointless, then that pretty much renders pretty much every thread on this entire website to be pointless as well.
Both are incredibly diverse, so I can't really side with either.
If you don't think anime can be diverse, take a look at Dead Leaves:
Anime and Eastern-animation has sort of become interchangeable terms for many people, which doesn't really do it much justice. It implies that all Eastern animation can fit into one style or genre, when it certainly doesn't.
If you don't think anime can be diverse, take a look at Dead Leaves:
Anime and Eastern-animation has sort of become interchangeable terms for many people, which doesn't really do it much justice. It implies that all Eastern animation can fit into one style or genre, when it certainly doesn't.
We're still on this? Geez people.
Great points have indeed been made. One tiny island nation is not going to be as diverse in the same ways as an entire hemisphere, that's just common sense. All animation falls under certain trends at some point, certain productions break that mold and then new trends replace the old ones. Why do we have to make this distinction? Aren't both Eastern and Western animation simply animation at heart? It doesn't matter where it's from, every single production can be unique in its own way. Be it themes, art style or hell even the actual animation itself.
Examine the whole instead of its parts and look for an experience you enjoy. Don't let cultural mumbo jumbo get in the way.
That being said I think both are equally diverse. There's as much distinction between western animated shows like Hey Arnold and Tartakovsky's version of The Clone Wars as there is between Fist of the North Star and Katanagatari.
Great points have indeed been made. One tiny island nation is not going to be as diverse in the same ways as an entire hemisphere, that's just common sense. All animation falls under certain trends at some point, certain productions break that mold and then new trends replace the old ones. Why do we have to make this distinction? Aren't both Eastern and Western animation simply animation at heart? It doesn't matter where it's from, every single production can be unique in its own way. Be it themes, art style or hell even the actual animation itself.
Examine the whole instead of its parts and look for an experience you enjoy. Don't let cultural mumbo jumbo get in the way.
That being said I think both are equally diverse. There's as much distinction between western animated shows like Hey Arnold and Tartakovsky's version of The Clone Wars as there is between Fist of the North Star and Katanagatari.
Isn't the term "Anime'" a little screwy with the large amounts of perceptions on what the term means?
COuldn't you of simplified it by saying "Eastern or Western Animation"?
COuldn't you of simplified it by saying "Eastern or Western Animation"?
That was fucking sick!Marik2 said:LOL Im still gonna post it
It truly went beyond definition, in the most absurd, obscene way possible.
Thanks for sharing man.
Well sorry, I didn't mean to take a jab at you and seeing as how you probably feel I did that, I'll apologize. I give you credit for making a well written post in that initial thread and coming out of the thread with a more informed perspective...KissofKetchup said:
But the thread still resulted in the typical posts from the other side of the thread, that is a bunch of stupid weaboos shit talking you for 'insulting' anime, or at least THEY considered it an insult.
The problem is that they only continue to make themselves look like idiots and thus by relation, making myself and OTHER users look like idiots no matter what we say because if WE like anime TOO, by most people's perspectives, we're just 'another fan like the rest of them'. It won't matter what our thoughts or opinions are in the end, because by the perspective of the internet, we might as well just be another fanwank narutard weaboo like the rest of the people who attacked you in the thread.
Rather than being recognized that in the end, I merely wanted to point out that both sides have equal amounts of diversity in animation.
I said what I did not as an insult, but more like a 'God damn it, now that you made that thread there's gonna be a bunch of fandom driven idiots 'DEFENDING TEH ANIMUS' because your opinion < their opinion.'
I mean seriously, video games, anime, TV, movies, books, it's all the same shit. No one can agree AND disagree, it's all a one way fucking street for these people and all that thread ended up being was a shining example. I mean, you saw after your initial edit to your first post people STILL attacked you...
So again, sorry it came off as bitching at you, I wasn't trying to attack you, just groaning in frustration if anything...
No hard feelings I hope. And to anyone who has a problem being called a weaboo or fanwank or whatever, please do me a favor and 'think' for a minute, because if you feel insulted, I'm clearly not talking about you as you actually have the mental clarity to understand the kind of person I'm describing.
Amusingly enough, the thread became as expected, people saying the same god damned thing they've said in the past 2-3 threads over this past week. This isn't a 'discussion' anymore, it's a fucking repeat topic with no one providing anything new to say.
tl;dr No hard feeling Ketchup, all the idiots who attacked you in the initial thread can go choke on a dick and can we please stop making these threads since no one ever says anything new?
Would be nice to, for a change, see an anime thread where people are discussing recent/currently airing favorite series and maybe their thoughts on future productions. I.E. a 'current discussion' kind of thread. But then again, since this 'animation diversity' thread is in its third or fourth iteration (I lost count) I'm not gonna bother hoping for such a thing.
What's with all these anime related threads recently?
On topic: As others have said, they can both be as artistically diverse as each other. The country of origin of a work does not automatically attach a ball and chain onto the animation team, dictating how they must draw. Just look at the difference between this and this:
And the differences between this and this:
On topic: As others have said, they can both be as artistically diverse as each other. The country of origin of a work does not automatically attach a ball and chain onto the animation team, dictating how they must draw. Just look at the difference between this and this:
It's an Israeli filmSacman said:Wait... That's Waltz With Bashir... it's a European film...<.<Squarez said:
I think Western animation is more diverse in it's range of art styles, that is clearly evident and because its probably western animation comes from all over the Globe where as Anime seems restricted to a limited region in the far east.
It can include French animation
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If you were to limit it to purely American animation there probably wouldn't be that much difference. However what it lacks in range I feel it makes up in diversity of its actual characters and environments. Anime has far greater propensity for the sureal and the fantasy and the downright wierd. Even if you look purely at the level of creativity on display in Studio Ghibli films or even just Spirted Away there will be much more diverse characters and settings than you would find in most western animations.
No hard feelings from this end. Besides, I've had much worse thrown at me. Judging by your previous comments and the essay that you wrote I could ascertain that you were a rational person.Kyogissun said:
This. Everything is diverse. That's it; like he said: are people not content with that?Kyogissun said:
Really I'm just popping in to say how awesome PSG is. And that Kneesocks is hot for a cartoon demon.
Oh don't judge me...
Oh don't judge me...
I'm a fairly rational and as stated in my title, a neutral person. I've found lately that if I give 'anything' a chance, I almost always have a positive outcome to reflect upon in the future. So my response was merely a small puff of rage escaping my system, because it all boiled down to the following:KissofKetchup said:
This thread and the ones that were made AFTER Ketchup had changed up his statement clearly showed that people are not content. Hopefully though this thread will get the point across that WE DO NOT NEED TO DISCUSS SAID TOPIC ANYMORE.DeathsHands said:
And that, you know, future topics concerning anime on the escapist won't be over this done to death 'issue'.