I admit the first season was poor. Capu2 was better, though but the ending was anti-climactic, too. The manga is far better, however.darksuccubus said:
Anime's You Find Overrated
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I'm coming in from an entirely different direction. I'll just admit my dark passenger right now.
I love shoujo anime.
THERE! I said it. I watch other stuff as well, I like Samauri Champloo for instance. I also like Inuyasha like I like Law and Order in that I can turn on any of the like million episodes and be able to watch it without being confused. On the other hand I really liked Paranoia Agent back when I saw it back then.
But My real bread and butter is the girly stuff, I got my husband to watch and enjoy Ouran High School Host Club for instance (its my fav).
So while I really dig girly stuff that I have little context in knowing whats considered good or not, I know I just couldn't get into Cowboy Bebop. My friend got a tattoo about it he was that into it, and I just can't get why. The characters were just meh to me.
On that note...
Other than that, I would say Full Metal Panic. I don't think it balanced its mech and slice of life proportions very well. I agree with those who said the whole esper stuff was interesting, I even liked the silly high school stuff because I like silly high school stuff, but the bad guy did nothing for me and there was just too much meaningless mech fighting with no character or plot development. I stopped watching near the end of the first series.
I love shoujo anime.
THERE! I said it. I watch other stuff as well, I like Samauri Champloo for instance. I also like Inuyasha like I like Law and Order in that I can turn on any of the like million episodes and be able to watch it without being confused. On the other hand I really liked Paranoia Agent back when I saw it back then.
But My real bread and butter is the girly stuff, I got my husband to watch and enjoy Ouran High School Host Club for instance (its my fav).
So while I really dig girly stuff that I have little context in knowing whats considered good or not, I know I just couldn't get into Cowboy Bebop. My friend got a tattoo about it he was that into it, and I just can't get why. The characters were just meh to me.
On that note...
Thank you! I tried this one out, and even as a shojo fan, I couldn't do this. I LOVE vampire stuff (I mean look at my avatar, best thing ever!) and this reminded me of crap like the Vampire Diaries where the drama was all supposed to be, to me at least, about "beautiful" immortal being just laying around and some shitty shallow angst. Unlikable cardboard characters.UncleUlty said:
Other than that, I would say Full Metal Panic. I don't think it balanced its mech and slice of life proportions very well. I agree with those who said the whole esper stuff was interesting, I even liked the silly high school stuff because I like silly high school stuff, but the bad guy did nothing for me and there was just too much meaningless mech fighting with no character or plot development. I stopped watching near the end of the first series.
Dragonball is fantastic. I didn't watch it until after DBZ and GT, but it's by far my favorite.Regnes said:
THANK YOU. I usually see people rating R2 as better than R1, simply because it was the conclusion to the series. But it is worse in almost every way, and it was no where near as entertaining to watch.Soviet Heavy said:
These ones are just my opinions, and I realize many of you may think differently. I'm not gonna go into great detail:
Naruto - I know this may seem weird given my username/avatar, but this show is average at best. Unlikable characters for the most part, and just plain bad when compared to say Fairy Tail. Ive dropped this show as of ep 250 or so of Shippuden.
Oreimo - I heard so much about this show going in, and once again its average at best. I didn't hate it, but it definitely wasn't spectacular in any way.
Haruhi - Perhaps the worst characters in any show ive ever seen. It became painful to watch. I'll admit I'm not one for non linear plots, but I would've persevered if I didn't loathe the characters. Haruhi herself especially.
They weren't dull, they were just badly placed. Near was supposed to have Mello's role and vice versa. But the editor wrote in the wrong names, and instead of just, you know, retconning it with a "my bad, I dun goofed" with the next chapter, the mangaka roled with it. So we got a less interesting L, and Mello, who could of been so much better if he was with the FBI.Daystar Clarion said:
[Source is Death Note: How to read 13]
Actually, there are 17. It got up to the scene in the car with Light and his dad, and after that the show was mysteriously cancelled. There were rumours of this really terrible arc involving some businessmen, but that's all they were, rumours.Angry Juju said:
You clearly just don't understand the intellectual humour involved in it.ZamielTheHunter said:
It wasn't that great really, I personally love the humour but it's incredibly hit and miss. And it's my first non-children's anime, I can't not like it.
I believe Yahtzee said it best that "It gets better later" isn't exactly a point in somethings favor. I watched the first 6 episodes of Baccano! and I would describe the series as being quality deficient. Would also add:Dansen said:
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - A decent series...until possibly one of the worst second seasons in the history of ever gets released. Ruined.
Gurren Laggan - Watched the first 9 episodes. Blech, an incredibly generic mecha-anime that's only selling point seems to be a cute sniper chick.
Lucky Star - A quirky slice of life series. It's pretty good. It is not the second coming of Jesus like many of its fans make it out to be.
Dragonball Z, Bleach and Naruto can also fuck right off. Three words: too much filler.
Baccano! I consider myself a smart person, so it wasn't that all the characters and the fast cuts and the not-giving-you-a-hint-about-what's-happening-so-you-have-to-piece-it-together-over-scores-of-episodes thing was over my head. It's just that I think it was executed poorly.
No matter how edgy and cool you think your show is, you still need to be careful not to be so self-indulgent and to hide your work so deeply inside in-jokes and winks to your buddies, that it ends up insulting its audience. Baccano suffers from the most self-indulgent and winky writing, it hardly deserves a first viewing, much less the necessary second viewing to pick up on what you missed the first time. Unfortunately, a lot of Anime creators are drinking their own Kool-aid at this point, and consider themselves above reproach and too good for such things as consistency and maturity.
Unfortunately, it got tons of press and good will thrown at it for all the wrong reasons, one of which has to do with an ignorant fan base that does not understand that it is not nearly as original or unique as its hype states. But mostly I think it's because smaller minded viewers and critics equate the modern disdain many shows have for their audiences as "cool." Sort of like how bullies beat up kids and smack their girlfriends around, but end up with hordes of lackeys and chicks hanging around, anyway. People just sometimes don't know the difference between cool and asshole.
No matter how edgy and cool you think your show is, you still need to be careful not to be so self-indulgent and to hide your work so deeply inside in-jokes and winks to your buddies, that it ends up insulting its audience. Baccano suffers from the most self-indulgent and winky writing, it hardly deserves a first viewing, much less the necessary second viewing to pick up on what you missed the first time. Unfortunately, a lot of Anime creators are drinking their own Kool-aid at this point, and consider themselves above reproach and too good for such things as consistency and maturity.
Unfortunately, it got tons of press and good will thrown at it for all the wrong reasons, one of which has to do with an ignorant fan base that does not understand that it is not nearly as original or unique as its hype states. But mostly I think it's because smaller minded viewers and critics equate the modern disdain many shows have for their audiences as "cool." Sort of like how bullies beat up kids and smack their girlfriends around, but end up with hordes of lackeys and chicks hanging around, anyway. People just sometimes don't know the difference between cool and asshole.
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[QUOTE=bruunwald]Baccano! I consider myself a smart person, so it wasn't that all the characters and the fast cuts and the not-giving-you-a-hint-about-what's-happening-so-you-have-to-piece-it-together-over-scores-of-episodes thing was over my head. It's just that I think it was executed poorly.[/QUOTE]
Except it wasn't that hard to understand. I have never heard this complaint before at all. I've never even seen people mention this in its favor before. It uses in medias res and is fast paced as it jumps from one character to another and one timeline to another. That does not mean that it is difficult to understand.
[quote]No matter how edgy and cool you think your show is, you still need to be careful not to be so self-indulgent and to hide your work so deeply inside in-jokes and winks to your buddies, that it ends up insulting its audience. Baccano suffers from the most self-indulgent and winky writing, it hardly deserves a first viewing, much less the necessary second viewing to pick up on what you missed the first time. Unfortunately, a lot of Anime creators are drinking their own Kool-aid at this point, and consider themselves above reproach and too good for such things as consistency and maturity.[/quote]
Example please. I really don't have a clue what you mean by this, unless for some odd reason dramatic irony and shifting perspectives at some point began to mean the same thing as self-indulgence and winky writing, in which case the same thing could be leveled at most of the greatest works of Shakespeare.
[quote]Unfortunately, it got tons of press and good will thrown at it for all the wrong reasons, one of which has to do with an ignorant fan base that does not understand that it is not nearly as original or unique as its hype states. But mostly I think it's because smaller minded viewers and critics equate the modern disdain many shows have for their audiences as "cool." Sort of like how bullies beat up kids and smack their girlfriends around, but end up with hordes of lackeys and chicks hanging around, anyway. People just sometimes don't know the difference between cool and asshole.[/quote]
Once again, how can shifting perspectives and dramatic irony be the same as being a jerk to your audience. If anything it is expecting more of your audience as well as giving them more information than the majority of the characters they are rooting for have, in some ways making the viewer superior to the lead characters. And nothing is original or unique, and any criticism short of claiming something is a blatant ripoff of another work is pointless criticism to be completely honest. I've never praised Baccano for its originality, only for its characters and the framing device, which I find quite useful for delivering the story that they did.
[QUOTE=bruunwald]Baccano! I consider myself a smart person, so it wasn't that all the characters and the fast cuts and the not-giving-you-a-hint-about-what's-happening-so-you-have-to-piece-it-together-over-scores-of-episodes thing was over my head. It's just that I think it was executed poorly.[/QUOTE]
Except it wasn't that hard to understand. I have never heard this complaint before at all. I've never even seen people mention this in its favor before. It uses in medias res and is fast paced as it jumps from one character to another and one timeline to another. That does not mean that it is difficult to understand.
[quote]No matter how edgy and cool you think your show is, you still need to be careful not to be so self-indulgent and to hide your work so deeply inside in-jokes and winks to your buddies, that it ends up insulting its audience. Baccano suffers from the most self-indulgent and winky writing, it hardly deserves a first viewing, much less the necessary second viewing to pick up on what you missed the first time. Unfortunately, a lot of Anime creators are drinking their own Kool-aid at this point, and consider themselves above reproach and too good for such things as consistency and maturity.[/quote]
Example please. I really don't have a clue what you mean by this, unless for some odd reason dramatic irony and shifting perspectives at some point began to mean the same thing as self-indulgence and winky writing, in which case the same thing could be leveled at most of the greatest works of Shakespeare.
[quote]Unfortunately, it got tons of press and good will thrown at it for all the wrong reasons, one of which has to do with an ignorant fan base that does not understand that it is not nearly as original or unique as its hype states. But mostly I think it's because smaller minded viewers and critics equate the modern disdain many shows have for their audiences as "cool." Sort of like how bullies beat up kids and smack their girlfriends around, but end up with hordes of lackeys and chicks hanging around, anyway. People just sometimes don't know the difference between cool and asshole.[/quote]
Once again, how can shifting perspectives and dramatic irony be the same as being a jerk to your audience. If anything it is expecting more of your audience as well as giving them more information than the majority of the characters they are rooting for have, in some ways making the viewer superior to the lead characters. And nothing is original or unique, and any criticism short of claiming something is a blatant ripoff of another work is pointless criticism to be completely honest. I've never praised Baccano for its originality, only for its characters and the framing device, which I find quite useful for delivering the story that they did.
Even WITH that perspective, you could still (theoretically) enjoy the show, watching the good guys get one over on Light constantly, which they do after THAT happens.MacNille said:Oh, Do you mean that!? Just as planned.Daystar Clarion said:
edit. I only read the manga, but I started to hate light as things went on. I hated the whole series after this brilant moment:I hated him. I hate the whole series. I can't stand to see such a dick have so much power. I have never read a series that want to make me shot our main protagnist. Rant over. Anyway, I couldn't get past the first two epsiodes of Lain. It is too werid for me. The main hero got this look, that she is high as a house (look at her eyes)
It was fun watching Light squirm, as much as I adored most of the characters.
I'm just gonna come right out and say it. Highschool of the Dead. Don't get me wrong as far as fanservice animes go the characters were all good until saeko starts doing matrix titties, and fucking triple fucking airborne summersault slashes, not to mention producing one fucking season, and never producing another.
they become more likeable in the rebuild movies (especially Shinji going gar 2.0)Darth Carr said:
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I would say Naruto mostly because of it,s fanbase and the fact it,s still dragging on (the again this is a shonen series and those tend to have 200+ episodes)
I plan to don't worry.MPerce said:
I haven't heard enough people talk about eden to say it was overrated but I can agree that it was boring towards the end. I watched one of the movies and just could not understand what was happening but it was probably because I simply could not find a reason to care anymore. Interesting premise though it was.
I would say Haruhi also but I got to admit that the Dissappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya was pretty good. It may have been this one scene that just made the movie.TizzytheTormentor said:
Kyon gets stabbed and that was pretty awesome
I never saw much in Bleach, it just looks like DBZ with all the gloss filters turned on to max, and a demon theme over a superpowered alien scifi mellowdrama feel. I never bothered to watch too much of it, so I wont comment on too much of it but I personally never watched too much of it. Though I have heard the last few seasons were crap.
Don't get me started on GT lol.
Don't get me started on GT lol.
Oh cool, time to vent a little.
1. Fate/Stay Night.
What a complete piece of rubbish. One of the absolute worst things I've ever forced myself to watch. Completely filled with plot holes and things that simply make no sense, characters that I couldn't give less of a crap about and just SOOOooooo boring!
Maybe the visual novel makes sense and is entertaining but, frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
2. Code Geass.
Seriously people? You like this stuff? I have seen so many people going on about how this is such an incredible series, but... why?
An incredibly dislikeable protagonist, incredibly dislikeable supporting characters, an incredibly dislikeable plot, Code Geass really does have it all! It wasn't smart, it wasn't interesting, and it sure as hell wasn't worth the time I put into watching it.
3. Gantz.
Just completely disgusting. Boobs and gore, what more could we need? Apparently nothing. Because that's all Gantz is.
I'd call Gantz everything that is wrong with some manga/anime, but it'll have to share that title with the next item on my hate-list:
4. Highschool of the Dead.
Yes, that's right! Incredibly busty high school kids amidst a zombie apocalypse. I at least understand why so many idiots love this series.
Thing is, without the frankly insulting level of sexualisation, Highschool of the Dead had potential to be pretty good. It's quite a cool premise, and executed by a competent creator, could have been a real winner. But it was seemingly written by a complete pervert, and as a result became some kind of justification for all the criticism anime is often plagued with.
5. Most of the long running Shounen anime.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge One Piece fan, and I quite like Naruto and Bleach. But their anime? I find it incredible that anybody bothers with them. So packed full of filler that it'll take you hundreds of hours to watch what you could have got in a tenth of that time by reading the manga.
I know this doesn't quite fit in with the other items on my list, but in my eyes, the Shounen anime that have hundreds of episodes are the most overrated series' around. People. Just read the manga. Seriously. It's better that the anime, and you'll be able to do other things with your life!
Ugh... that's been waiting to come out for a hell of a long time. There are so many more anime that I've seen that should probably be on this list, but I've forgotten about them. Because they sucked. These ones just stuck with me because their sheer awfulness offended me the most.
1. Fate/Stay Night.
What a complete piece of rubbish. One of the absolute worst things I've ever forced myself to watch. Completely filled with plot holes and things that simply make no sense, characters that I couldn't give less of a crap about and just SOOOooooo boring!
Maybe the visual novel makes sense and is entertaining but, frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.
2. Code Geass.
Seriously people? You like this stuff? I have seen so many people going on about how this is such an incredible series, but... why?
An incredibly dislikeable protagonist, incredibly dislikeable supporting characters, an incredibly dislikeable plot, Code Geass really does have it all! It wasn't smart, it wasn't interesting, and it sure as hell wasn't worth the time I put into watching it.
3. Gantz.
Just completely disgusting. Boobs and gore, what more could we need? Apparently nothing. Because that's all Gantz is.
I'd call Gantz everything that is wrong with some manga/anime, but it'll have to share that title with the next item on my hate-list:
4. Highschool of the Dead.
Yes, that's right! Incredibly busty high school kids amidst a zombie apocalypse. I at least understand why so many idiots love this series.
Thing is, without the frankly insulting level of sexualisation, Highschool of the Dead had potential to be pretty good. It's quite a cool premise, and executed by a competent creator, could have been a real winner. But it was seemingly written by a complete pervert, and as a result became some kind of justification for all the criticism anime is often plagued with.
5. Most of the long running Shounen anime.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge One Piece fan, and I quite like Naruto and Bleach. But their anime? I find it incredible that anybody bothers with them. So packed full of filler that it'll take you hundreds of hours to watch what you could have got in a tenth of that time by reading the manga.
I know this doesn't quite fit in with the other items on my list, but in my eyes, the Shounen anime that have hundreds of episodes are the most overrated series' around. People. Just read the manga. Seriously. It's better that the anime, and you'll be able to do other things with your life!
Ugh... that's been waiting to come out for a hell of a long time. There are so many more anime that I've seen that should probably be on this list, but I've forgotten about them. Because they sucked. These ones just stuck with me because their sheer awfulness offended me the most.
I would say Black Lagoon, but haven't seen it brought up enough to know whether or not it is highly rated anymore.
Still, it can't decide between over stylization or gritty realism, it tries way too hard to be "adult," and the pacing is terrible. Seriously, the plot structure always starts really slow, gives us the set up to a long plot of intrigue, only to solve it in a couple minutes with some gun fights that seem to be trying to copy John Woo without understanding why he was good in the first place. It might make up for it with strong characters, which it seems to suggest early on, but everyone just ends up degrading into a jaded asshole that doesn't give a shit. That isn't realism, it's just lazy writing. It isn't a "parody" of or "homage" to action films, it's just an action series that gets a whole bunch of things wrong.
Still, it can't decide between over stylization or gritty realism, it tries way too hard to be "adult," and the pacing is terrible. Seriously, the plot structure always starts really slow, gives us the set up to a long plot of intrigue, only to solve it in a couple minutes with some gun fights that seem to be trying to copy John Woo without understanding why he was good in the first place. It might make up for it with strong characters, which it seems to suggest early on, but everyone just ends up degrading into a jaded asshole that doesn't give a shit. That isn't realism, it's just lazy writing. It isn't a "parody" of or "homage" to action films, it's just an action series that gets a whole bunch of things wrong.
