Jonluw said:
Danzavare said:
- Clannad: Controversial, I know, but 3 episodes and it's painfully obvious that the main woman is oversensitive and useless and the man is an emo bully (Yeah, its okay to mock/tease the blonde guy but the second he hints you may like someone you get huffy and whiny). Bleh.
But...
The entire point of the series is how weak of a person the main character is.
You can't criticize the series for presenting the protagonist in an unappealing way when the series is about his unappealing qualities, i.e., fixing the flaws that are holding you back as a person.
If you had watched after story, you would have understood (Everything does make a whole lot more sense in after story).
It's also fairly important to the story that the main girl is weak and pretty much useless.
Edit: I know it's a very annoying thing to say, but you really should try watching the whole series before passing judgement on it. A valid criticism is that it sort of fumbles around aimlessly in the first season and doesn't get to the point until after story.
I can get how people are annoyed by that, but it does create a so much stronger bond with the characters than if they had jumped right to the point.
I know I'm being very annoying, but Clannad changed the way I think about a couple of things in life and is the only show to have made me shed a tear. It hurts me to see someone blow it off after the three first episodes because they don't like the main characters.
What I'm saying is Don't judge a story because you don't like the main characters as persons.
The fact that they apparently intended to have unlikeable protagonists doesn't make them any less unlikeable. You can portray vulnerability without have a 'delicate daisy' caricature as a protagonist. I couldn't care less if there was a good reason for it because the character as is, is simply annoying. If I recall, she was basically bending over backwards for the blue haired boy, automatically letting him become the authority and needing him to get her to do anything vaguely productive. He on the other hand was whiny. Every time he saw his father it was the same melodramatic "OH WOES ME!" run away scene. It's all jarringly melodramatic, like a poorly written soap opera. If her being useless is the point of the story, then I have to say the point of the story is quite ridiculous.
You can have compelling characters with flaws (In fact, they tend to be more compelling with well-written flaws) that are likeable or at least interesting. She is neither, that's poor writing. Nothing about her as it is makes me 'bond' with her or care about her bonds with others.
I know you mean well, but trust me, if I did watch After Story (Unless the characters and plot have no resemblance whatsoever to the early Clannad) I would end up developing a giant list of complaints, deconstructing the show till it's nothing but messy bits. Generally forcing myself to slog through a series only makes me like it less. I only got through Black Butler because a friend and I were making jokes and parodying it to one another as we watched. I'd wager that I'd only upset you more if I did watch the episodes you pointed out to me and told you my views on them.
That's a silly idea, characters aren't separate to the story. In most cases (And I'm betting this one too judging by the fact it's a melodramatic romance story) they play an integral part to the story or -are- the story.
I think with some anime it's just better to accept that you like it for your reasons. Instead of worrying about whether it is or isn't above scrutiny, just enjoy it. I for example absolutely love watching Trinity Blood, but I can happily acknowledge that doesn't magically make it a good show. It's bad in
many ways but I like it regardless. My like for it doesn't negate criticisms of it, but those criticisms don't negate my enjoyment of it either.
I keep thinking of Shakespeare from some reason
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