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StarsintheBlood

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I'm aesexual, and the main thing that bothers me is that it's not considered a legitimate orientation, because it's just oh-so-impossible for a person to not have sexual attraction to any gender. Sex isn't so big a deal, people. Stop calling me confused or "not ready."

But that aside, it's not a big deal. It takes a while to explain to some people, and their skeptical looks once I'm finished doing so are irksome, but I can live with it. At least I know who I am and I don't get bullied for it.

EDIT: Okay, I'm sorry, but how exactly is pansexuality different from bisexuality? I was researching sexualities during my self-discovery, and I never fully understood it. Just color me confused here, I'm not trying to be hypocritical.
 

Mischa87

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Alright, first off, for all those people who are all "It's fine, just don't shove your non-heterosexuality in my face"... How about you stop shoving heterosexuality and frat-boy mentality in our faces?

Alright, pansexuality is a valid sexual orientation, it IS different than bisexuality. Bisexuality means one is romantically, and sexually attracted to anyone belonging to the long-established (although incorrect really) gender binary. Pansexuality refers to someone who can be attracted to anyone regardless of what's between their legs (sex) or between their ears (gender) and thus does NOT subscribe to the existence of just the gender/sex binary.

Is this really that hard to wrap your head around? It's not some "hipster" movement (At least I don't think it is... I'm a little foggy on what a hipster even is...) It's not someone trying to be cool, or special, or unique, it's a valid sexuality, that's even accepted by medial professionals. So get off your bash-anything-that-dare-makes-me-think-about-something-new-high-horse and THINK some, humans are supposedly evolutionary tailored to THINK, don't be afraid of it kiddies.

Yes, it can be an overwhelming topic for those who never had to think about sex, gender, or alternative sexualities (Looking at the small-minded subset of heterosexual cispeople) But it's really not even up for debate, all these terms have been accepted as real, and are in the professional vernacular.

Heck, there's even a relatively well-supported theory floating about that deals with the idea we are all pansexual, that we're on a sexual-orientation continuum, and that regardless of where you sit on it, you like every gender presentation, and sex. But those preferences might not be strong enough to pursue them.

One could just as easily (well even easier actually) argue that heterosexuals, and bisexual people don't exist, in that they're all pansexual anyway... Which brings us to the often-necessary evil...

Labels, yes, they often suck, but they are totally necessary at times to ease in communication of ideas and thoughts (You know, like language was invented for) Let's take the "heterosexual" cisgendered male (which is probably the most prominent demographic on here) You're somewhere on this sexual orientation matrix/continuum, where you are attracted to members of the female sex/gender the strongest, by this theory, you are actually attracted to every other part of the wonderful wide range of human sex/gender, but that attraction may be so small, it never comes to the surface in a profound way. But you may find some guys attractive, you might even have a man-crush on someone, I dunno Jason Statham *fans self* mmm Clive Owen... *shakes head* So? What would you call yourself then? Would you like a whole song and dance about who you'd like to get with? Or would you rather just say heterosexual/straight? I would assume you'd want the label, well, then why can't you let the pansexuals have their label too? Anyway, that's just a theory at this point, but it's becoming closer and closer to an accepted fact, which makes me snicker inside at all the bigots out there, you're all as queer as a three-dollar bill.

So, basically, all of you that are arguing against the idea of pansexuality (including the asexual people, your place on the continuum is just in a place where no combination of sex/gender is appealing enough to you that you'd peruse a relationship, which is totally a valid sexuality) Are effectively arguing against your own sexuality, which is just sad, it brings me to tears to see self-hating queer people *sniff*

Original topic: Yes, how gay men are often portrayed in the media is asinine, alongside representations of anyone not identifying as straight and cisexual. Which is probably leading to a lot of misinformation, and hatred/bigotry really, but since the sheep continue to gobble up what's put in front of them with little thought, it probably will never change anytime soon...

I'm a transwoman, and just look at how badly we're portrayed in the media? It's like we're some kind of big joke... We're some dirty little punchline in a lot of the media, it's vile and disgusting that anyone could treat another human being like that, particularly one who has it as hard as transpeople...

Anyway, that's my 3 cents (All that typing took a whole 'nother cent) For what it's worth, I've been an LGBTAQI peer support founder/facilitator, as well as a transsexual support group facilitator/co-founder for several years, I do this professionally.

I'm also a pansexual transsexual (That's fun to say, isn't it?) as well as being human and capable of coherent thought processes (Most of the time...) So my own insight, exploration, and experiences are in there too.

And to all those lovely queer people out there who are having a hard time grasping why other people have a hard time grasping different queer concepts, remember... there's empirical proof that we (as queer people, especially the transgendered/transsexuals) Have, on average, a higher IQ (not as important) but a higher understanding of society, and well as an often-vastly superior EQ/EI, and probably have a much easier time wrapping our heads around it. It's just the way our brains are wired *shrug*
 

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AngloDoom said:
tobyornottoby said:
AngloDoom said:
I'm a big believer that people do not have defined sexualities - and the sudden rise in people claim to be pansexual or bisexual only supports this view in my mind. I think people should just doink and be doinked by whomever they want and stop worrying about what box they fit into now.
What makes you believe this is true for all people?
Nothing but anecdotal evidence and I'll happily admit that. However, I just think it's very convenient that everything fits so neatly into these terms we made. I've heard of and personally know plenty of people who labelled themselves as heterosexual, have done something with the same sex as themselves, then started having a massive identity crisis and changing everything based upon that one moment. I just don't see why it's necessary.

This is not to say I believe that everyone in the world would have sex with a person of the same and opposite sex if they found the right person, but that certain people are more prone to different sexual behaviours than others - similar to the Kinsey scale. Certainly there will be people who will never have any sexual contact with one sex, and so it would be easy to classify them as heterosexual: but what do we say of a man who found one man attractive once, or a man who finds himself in sexual contact with a man and enjoying it a few times but then often-times does not desire to do it again or does not like it with certain individuals.

I don't claim to have any answers, but I find it weird that we'd fit into one of the ever-increasing 'boxes' of sexuality. I just don't see what's so hard about not discussing what sex you do what with and just going for whoever catches your eye. Then again, I live in a highly acceptive society, with absolutely no pressures on my sexuality, as a guy who has grown up around a full spectrum of sexualities - clearly I can't look at this objectively.
I am sexually attracted to women, but not men.

I therefore fit into the box marked "Heterosexual".

I have a defined sexuality.

Now I accept this may not be true of everyone, but you said that it isn't true of anyone. Don't assume that everyone has a defined sexuality, don't assume that nobody does. :/
 

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ravensheart18 said:
The irony of that statement is great. No straight man I know would say something is getting on their "tits".
Actually, most straight English guys I've met personally say that...Clearly you need more of the Queen's English in your life... mate ^_^
 

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Mischa87 said:
ravensheart18 said:
The irony of that statement is great. No straight man I know would say something is getting on their "tits".
Actually, most straight English guys I've met personally say that...Clearly you need more of the Queen's English in your life... mate ^_^
I agree with Mischa. Saying that "something is getting on my tits" is a perfectly normal expression for men in England, regardless of their sexuality.
 

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Caramel Frappe said:
I appreciate you giving me the link thus learning about a new sexuality apart from the 4 main ones (heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, and lesbian ...if lesbian counts.) but I must advise that your post comes off very hostile toward the readers.

Not mad or troubled, but it made me feel guilty without a 2nd thought. Perhaps it's just me but being called names for assuming something when not informed correctly gives off a bad impression. Anyhow, I still admire you teaching me about a new concept so thank you for that really, no sarcasm.
Lesbian does count, but thats just me talking, I could never get my head around why Homosexual referred to both, when it only affects one gender.

You also introduced me to something I was never aware of, and no, Bisexuality is not the same as Pan-sexuality. Pan is similar to bi, but their not the same.

Sordak said:
stop whining about your sexuality oh youre so special cause of that for fucks sake get over it.

Stop beeing an Attention whore and probably nobody will expect you to act like that. If you wouldnt shove your sexuality in everyones face
I'll point this out, the thread's title obviously states what its going to be talking about, what? Did you honestly think that it would be all straight guys and gals here talking about how their portrayed? You have no right to complain because you paid for the entrance.

like you are just doing people wouldnt expect behaviours like that from you cause realy you cant read someones sexuality from their face (or their dong for that matter) if they act like any other person.


Im sorry but this is getting annoying, every day there is a new thread of some homosexual complaining how he is misstreated while shoving his sexuality into everyones face and guess what everyone of them will cite some sexuality they are part of besides just calling it the blatantly obvious.
Well, aren't we? If I'm correct, I can't marry another guy everywhere, despite there being true love, correct? Not counting that were, technically, according to the bible, a sin. So, over all that were the problem here. What, do you think we would be taken more seriously not discussing the topic? If we don't discuss the topic then very well the people who try to ban gay marriage would try to ban people as a whole if we just took it lying down. Very much like games or what not, do you think that we would have been as big as we are now if the community wouldn't talk to each other or to their friends about their hobby?

This one sentence I'm more or less perplexed on:
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Sordak said:
Because from reading that Wikipedia site is that it is, as a "loveley poster" put it the pretentious mans Bisexual.

What is it with Homosexuality lateley? Since when does it turn you Black?
Just to clarify this statement: just for posting youre homosexual people will always go how they respect you and how they feel guilty about stuff.

Homosexuals like to say themsleves that Heterosexuals should accept them in their society but STILL there are a few, and im not saying all here, i say a few, a few such as the OP who think they must shove their sexuality into everyones face and awaite the praising comments.

i mean come on.
Once again, you refer to the article and instead of talking about the thing in question I.E. Pan sexual, you go on a rant, and while I'm at it, you also put a racist remark in there, so I'll highlight it.

I am tempted to push the red button, because none of your statement is even directed towards this. I'll try to make this as simple as possible, your pissed because you wanted to rant on a thread on a topic you know nothing about nor want to coversate over. The OP didn't shove shit into your face, since you clicked in here to enter. And reading all the way through that, since it also was hard to read and you mainly just attacked people for discussing a topic that was in the NAME OF THE THREAD! Its not like it said "OH HAY SKYRIM" then lead you to this.
 

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ummm, not to sound ignorant, but a Pan sexual sounds like a Bi-sexual, sinces there is only to sexes, a man and a woman.
 

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thevillageidiot13 said:
Sorry, say again?
Telling people they embrace the stereotype more than they should is kind of demeaning and either precludes choice, or condemns difference. Neither are particularly positive and both kind of reek of the "white man's burden."

That you are "refreshed" by the reminder doesn't reflect well, either.

But apology accepted.

Joshimodo said:
Agreed.


To me, "pansexual" just sounds like a cry for attention, another label for people to stick to themselves to seem "different".

Face facts, regardless of sexuality, sex changes or biological gender mixes, there are only two genders. Hence, bisexual.



On top of that, nobody cares. It's the 21st Century.
Face facts. there actually are more than two genders. Sorry.

And it's the 21st Century, yes, but I'm wondering how rose your glasses are if you don't notice how people still care.

ccdohl said:
Agreed. Why is it so important for these distinctions to be made?

Homosexual? no, I'm a PANsexual!
Yeah, how horrible someone who isn't exclusively attracted to the same sex might not want people to think they are.
 

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Sordak said:
stop whining about your sexuality oh youre so special cause of that for fucks sake get over it.

Stop beeing an Attention whore and probably nobody will expect you to act like that. If you wouldnt shove your sexuality in everyones face like you are just doing people wouldnt expect behaviours like that from you cause realy you cant read someones sexuality from their face (or their dong for that matter) if they act like any other person.


Im sorry but this is getting annoying, every day there is a new thread of some homosexual complaining how he is misstreated while shoving his sexuality into everyones face and guess what everyone of them will cite some sexuality they are part of besides just calling it the blatantly obvious.
Because from reading that Wikipedia site is that it is, as a "loveley poster" put it the pretentious mans Bisexual.

What is it with Homosexuality lateley? Since when does it turn you Black?
Just to clarify this statement: just for posting youre homosexual people will always go how they respect you and how they feel guilty about stuff.

Homosexuals like to say themsleves that Heterosexuals should accept them in their society but STILL there are a few, and im not saying all here, i say a few, a few such as the OP who think they must shove their sexuality into everyones face and awaite the praising comments.

i mean come on.
I'm so glad someone made this comment so I didn't have to. I also find it ironic that people are saying "I'm not a gay or a bisexual man! My sexuality is WAY too complex to be labelled like that. Therefore, I'm a pansexual!!1!!11!!1"
 

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LogicArmour said:
Dear Everybody (especially females),

Sex in the City and other similar, shitty TV show are not an accurate portrayal of how the average LGBT man acts. Just because I appreciate dick doesn't mean my tastes or behaviour will be any less masculine than a straight guy. Please get this through your skulls, it's starting to get on my tits.

On a related note (this time for everyone), Pansexuality is not bisexuality. Stop saying it is. When it gets to the point where I lie about my sexuality for the sake of simplicity, something has gone very wrong.

For those unaware as to what pansexuality is here's a wikipedia article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality

The more you know people,
David (Pansexual)

P.s. I'm actually in quite a good mood at the moment, just thought I'd give a PSA :)

So, ranting aside, does anyone else have this problem?
See I thought everything I saw on tv was real.
 

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I know a lot of gay people. Heck, one of my exes came out about two weeks after she broke up with me!

One of them tries to make a point out of homosexuality whenever he can, and this just makes him annoying. He fills the stereotype, probably because he's trying to make people see that homosexuality isn't a bad thing. We all know that, but it makes him unbearably annoying in the process.

Someone else I know considered themselves pansexual, but their sexuality is questionable. One minute they liked guys, the next they liked girls, the next they were thinking about guys again, then the next day they're just saying things like 'My sexuality is confirmed - I'm a lesbian' which just confuses everyone.

I do believe in pansexuality, it's just that people use this as an excuse as to why they're experimenting, when they're really gay/straight, but just gagging for affection.
 

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Nokshor said:
AngloDoom said:
tobyornottoby said:
AngloDoom said:
What makes you believe this is true for all people?
-SNIP-
I am sexually attracted to women, but not men.

I therefore fit into the box marked "Heterosexual".

I have a defined sexuality.

Now I accept this may not be true of everyone, but you said that it isn't true of anyone. Don't assume that everyone has a defined sexuality, don't assume that nobody does. :/
My point is, though, what if you did find a man you were sexually attractive to? If it was a feminine guy you got on well with, had similar interests in you, and is openly gay and admits he is sexually attracted to you then who is to say you wouldn't be curious enough to try?

I myself would have said exactly the same as you a few years back, but now I'm not so sure. I wouldn't define myself as bisexual because I don't actively seek out or often notice men who make me feel the same attraction as I do with women. That said, I have had sexual contact with a guy a few times and enjoyed it and the above guy was as my description above. Obviously, it's hard to see outside my own eyes so forgive me if I'm simply projecting my own subjective viewpoint onto others, but I've seen this sort of thing happen to a lot of men and women who defined themselves as 'heterosexual', and then suddenly the next day they are 'bisexual'.
If we don't know the cause of sexuality for definite, how can we be sure it exists the way as we know it now? I'm not saying everyone is 50/50, but I wonder how much of a barrier sex and gender is nowadays in lieu of all the acceptance of homosexual, bisexual, lesbian, and transsexual relationships. Again, just my own ponderings, I'd love to see a study or such into this sort of thing with conclusive evidence.
 

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I does piss me off that people when people stereotype gay people, but I'd rather talk about the juicier topic here, pansexuality!

In my opinion (as a pansexual, though with a preference to men) I see pansexuality as a more politically correct bisexuality (not to suggest that bisexuality is offensive). Bisexuality implies that there are two genders, when I'm of the opinion that people should be allowed to be whichever gender they want, even both or neither.

So I think in order to clear up confusion and possible offense, bisexuality should mean, "Likes men and women, nothing else" and pansexuality should mean, "Likes all possible gender definitions".
 

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LogicArmour said:
Dear Everybody (especially females),

Sex in the City and other similar, shitty TV show are not an accurate portrayal of how the average LGBT man acts. Just because I appreciate dick doesn't mean my tastes or behaviour will be any less masculine than a straight guy. Please get this through your skulls, it's starting to get on my tits.

On a related note (this time for everyone), Pansexuality is not bisexuality. Stop saying it is. When it gets to the point where I lie about my sexuality for the sake of simplicity, something has gone very wrong.

For those unaware as to what pansexuality is here's a wikipedia article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality

The more you know people,
David (Pansexual)

P.s. I'm actually in quite a good mood at the moment, just thought I'd give a PSA :)

So, ranting aside, does anyone else have this problem?
Isn't it a bit hypocritical of you to whine about being lumped in with bisexuals when in the same post lumping me and every other sane woman in with vapid Sex in the City-watching people who assume every man who likes men must act like a screaming queen by law?

Also, for the original topic, its hard to know what other people identify as unless you ask, so if someone sees you with men and women they'd naturally assume bisexual I guess?
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Face facts. there actually are more than two genders. Sorry.

And it's the 21st Century, yes, but I'm wondering how rose your glasses are if you don't notice how people still care.
Must've missed that biology class back in school. Now you mention it, I remember when I had to choose a kitten for a pet many years ago, and having to think whether I wanted a male, female, or . Gender is one thing, sexuality is another.


People still rant about this kind of thing as if it's important. It's not. The people involved should only care about their thoughts on sexuality, not what every Joe Bloggs in the outback of nowhere think. That's why it always sounds like a cry for attention, and usually is.
 

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Joshimodo said:
Must've missed that biology class back in school. Now you mention it, I remember when I had to choose a kitten for a pet many years ago, and having to think whether I wanted a male, female, or .


People still rant about this kind of thing as if it's important. It's not. The people involved should only care about their thoughts on sexuality, not what every Joe Bloggs and his inbred family in the outback of nowhere think. That's why it always sounds like a cry for attention, and usually is.
And with specious reasoning like that, you could argue homosexuals don't exist. Good job.

And dismissing people as crying for attention because you think it shouldn't matter. That's...Lovely.