Anonymous brings down FBI website.
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I know, I'm just bitter. They won't let me into the Universe Control Chamber anymore :/One Hit Noob said:
It says that he confessed. He probably felt really guilty and turned himself in. I'm talking about "how to track down anonymous people who know how to hide".Dags90 said:
The problem with revolutionaries fighting for a cause is that they tend to forget that in order to progress THEIR agenda, they run the risk of becoming the OPPRESSOR.
Not everyone shares their opinion. Not everyone thinks what Mastercard or Paypal or even the Government has done is wrong.
See, these things are not always black and white. To be for something, you must also be against something that others might be for, thus you must place YOUR beliefs over someone else's beliefs. Just because YOU think you are right doesn't mean everyone else must be wrong by default. We are all entitled to our beliefs.
This is where Anonymous has made their mistake. They attack businesses for deciding to REMOVE themselves from a situation. Mastercard didn't do anything to wikileaks or Assange other than to distance themselves and cut ties. So what is accomplished by attacking their website other than to make yourself look like a bully who will attack anyone who disagrees with you? Then attacking the FBI for doing their job? You're just starting to look like a bully at this point and if Anonymous doesn't tread carefully, they will become that which they hate; bullies that rule by intimidation and fear. "If you are not with us, then you must be against us" has always been a failed mentality.
Of course, the assumption is that anyone who works for the government or a corporation is "evil." That is the biggest problem I see in these situations, because this assumptions is incorrect. A lot of people who work for these companies, governments, law enforcement groups, etc are actually decent people just doing a job, maybe doing something they believe in. Some would say that nobody is truly innocent, but I prefer to believe that not everyone is decisively guilty by association.
At any rate, Anonymous is seriously overstated right now anyway. Sure DDOS attacks are annoying, but for the most part it boils down to a legion of script kiddies playing at "revolutionary." Most don't expect or anticipate the consequences they could face, or the reality that they might be harming others or the potential punishments they could be hit with. It's all fun and games until you are 15 years old with an arrest on your record, the label of being an anarchist or extremist attached to your name, and sitting in a jail cell somewhere being asked very tough questions by very serious people. I'd wager a good part of Anonymous wouldn't find it as exciting under those circumstances. But then again, very few of them I'd wager have the skill or desire to take things to the next level beyond bringing down a website here and there in protest.
The worst thing of all is that all they are going to accomplish is to make life harder for honest, decent hard working people like you and me. I enjoy my freedom of speech and such on the internet as it is now, and I personally don't want a bunch of kids making things more difficult for me to surf the net or argue on forums or limiting my internet accesses by stirring up drama. Because THAT is the more realistic outcome... the majority of people aren't going to take up arms against the government, they are going to BLAME anonymous. And when that happens, they will deserve every bit of backlash they get.
Not everyone shares their opinion. Not everyone thinks what Mastercard or Paypal or even the Government has done is wrong.
See, these things are not always black and white. To be for something, you must also be against something that others might be for, thus you must place YOUR beliefs over someone else's beliefs. Just because YOU think you are right doesn't mean everyone else must be wrong by default. We are all entitled to our beliefs.
This is where Anonymous has made their mistake. They attack businesses for deciding to REMOVE themselves from a situation. Mastercard didn't do anything to wikileaks or Assange other than to distance themselves and cut ties. So what is accomplished by attacking their website other than to make yourself look like a bully who will attack anyone who disagrees with you? Then attacking the FBI for doing their job? You're just starting to look like a bully at this point and if Anonymous doesn't tread carefully, they will become that which they hate; bullies that rule by intimidation and fear. "If you are not with us, then you must be against us" has always been a failed mentality.
Of course, the assumption is that anyone who works for the government or a corporation is "evil." That is the biggest problem I see in these situations, because this assumptions is incorrect. A lot of people who work for these companies, governments, law enforcement groups, etc are actually decent people just doing a job, maybe doing something they believe in. Some would say that nobody is truly innocent, but I prefer to believe that not everyone is decisively guilty by association.
At any rate, Anonymous is seriously overstated right now anyway. Sure DDOS attacks are annoying, but for the most part it boils down to a legion of script kiddies playing at "revolutionary." Most don't expect or anticipate the consequences they could face, or the reality that they might be harming others or the potential punishments they could be hit with. It's all fun and games until you are 15 years old with an arrest on your record, the label of being an anarchist or extremist attached to your name, and sitting in a jail cell somewhere being asked very tough questions by very serious people. I'd wager a good part of Anonymous wouldn't find it as exciting under those circumstances. But then again, very few of them I'd wager have the skill or desire to take things to the next level beyond bringing down a website here and there in protest.
The worst thing of all is that all they are going to accomplish is to make life harder for honest, decent hard working people like you and me. I enjoy my freedom of speech and such on the internet as it is now, and I personally don't want a bunch of kids making things more difficult for me to surf the net or argue on forums or limiting my internet accesses by stirring up drama. Because THAT is the more realistic outcome... the majority of people aren't going to take up arms against the government, they are going to BLAME anonymous. And when that happens, they will deserve every bit of backlash they get.
Good point, but to be afraid and terrified because you can't use your credit card and increase your already mountainous debt is ridiculous and illogical. If anything you should be grateful.Forever of the Stars said:
I <3 Anonymous. Seriously. They have balls, and are willing to use them to fight for free speech.
Also, I have a really sick sense of humor, so Anon's trolling campaigns are fucking hilarious to me.
Also, I have a really sick sense of humor, so Anon's trolling campaigns are fucking hilarious to me.
I think the people who say "arrests will be made" obviously have no idea how the whole ddos thing works.
A couple hundred thousand people download loic and type in the websites IP.
Not going to be many arrests made over that, plus not everyone is American...
A couple hundred thousand people download loic and type in the websites IP.
Not going to be many arrests made over that, plus not everyone is American...
Say what you want about Anon and their views and what they're doing but you gotta admit, they got some balls!
Also, anon's attacks bring great lulz to me for some reason.
Also, anon's attacks bring great lulz to me for some reason.
no I understand what you are saying but the CIA COULD have them killed easily is my point is not that they will.photog212 said:
I should be grateful that someone other than me can increase my mountainous debt? It's not about not being able to spend money it's about the fact that some other jackass out there could be spending my money.BlackWidower said:
If the FBI starts arresting these "anonymous", and 4chan gets shutdown for good, will anybody realy fucking care?
jesus i HOPE they dont get labelled a "terrorist cell"hortez the champion of the frozen wastes said:
all we need is ANOTHER domestic frenzy which creates groups like DHS and TSA because the public doesnt feel "safe"
Yeah I think thats our main problem. We don't really have a voice in the old people meetings anywhere. Gamers,Web surfers,slackers...we don't have anyone to really stand up for us and tell the older generation that this isn't the antichrist.dartkun said:
Trying to keep things as they are, they'll do whatever damage they can to the internet and not think anything of it because, to them, nothing is changing. Everything is gonna be the same, "and it was fine then," so why would they care? But to us, it'd be like if newspapers or radio were banned. The problem though is that most of us are really lazy or don't carry enough force to really get anything done.
Anon can try and they're a powerful force, although they're not necessarily for us or against us. They come in and do their thing and usually if good comes of it it's kind of random who it benefits. But even Anon can't truthfully continue this or other fights. They're a loud voice so people view them as representing us, which they do to a point. But they have their own goals that just the general internet user isn't really tied to, so they don't exactly speak for us. But they'll eventually get wiped out too, I think. I mean, they've got some tricks up their sleeve, but eventually even the largest rock can be worn down by the wind.
Pfft, whatever. Like anyone even uses the FBI website. They could really shut down the entire internet for all I care, it's not like there's anything important here. Just millions of people convincing themselves that they're important, or at least part of something important. It's all lies though. It just makes it easier to only listen to the people you already agree with and dismiss everyone else as stupid. Frankly I think we were all better off before there was an internet.
So yeah, go anonymous. Yay, or some junk. Not that I think they have any chance of accomplishing anything real, but hey, it's fun to watch the internet all get its knickers in a twist.
So yeah, go anonymous. Yay, or some junk. Not that I think they have any chance of accomplishing anything real, but hey, it's fun to watch the internet all get its knickers in a twist.