Anonymous PSN Attackers Arrested in Spain

[Littlee300]

I wanna see pics with names. Take away all anonymity. Also that "We are legion threat". you'd think that they would learn that being an internet "Menace" Doesn't translate over to real life. they know your just some pathetic kids who probably can't do anything about using your computer the way other people tell you to little script kiddies.

Given that like 90% of the worlds defence, banking, consumer infrastructure and general workings are run by computers with online networking? Yeah... Hackers can do A LOT!

And if you are dependent on those things then yeah. Maybe it can scare you. But when you aren't and know how to live without it there is really nothing they can do. Also Hackers is one thing. Most of anonymous is just, like i said, script kiddies. They are given directions on how to do certain things and that is what they do. Hell i did it myself for awhile out of boredom.
Which is exactly why you are living without your computer right now? The worlds nuclear weapons are technically hackable you tool, there ARE things to be afraid of even if you ain't a tech person. A skilled, dedicated, resourced group of hackers could bring the global infrastructure to its knees.

Someone has been watching way too much movies.

 

[Simriel]

I wanna see pics with names. Take away all anonymity. Also that "We are legion threat". you'd think that they would learn that being an internet "Menace" Doesn't translate over to real life. they know your just some pathetic kids who probably can't do anything about using your computer the way other people tell you to little script kiddies.

Given that like 90% of the worlds defence, banking, consumer infrastructure and general workings are run by computers with online networking? Yeah... Hackers can do A LOT!

And if you are dependent on those things then yeah. Maybe it can scare you. But when you aren't and know how to live without it there is really nothing they can do. Also Hackers is one thing. Most of anonymous is just, like i said, script kiddies. They are given directions on how to do certain things and that is what they do. Hell i did it myself for awhile out of boredom.
Which is exactly why you are living without your computer right now? The worlds nuclear weapons are technically hackable you tool, there ARE things to be afraid of even if you ain't a tech person. A skilled, dedicated, resourced group of hackers could bring the global infrastructure to its knees.

Someone has been watching way too much movies.

I said technically possible, as in the possibility does exist, though is slim. It's also technically possible that the next time I leave my home I fall down and break my neck, but it just isn't likely.

 

[Strazdas]

lets make a bet, will sony hire them to work for internet security or will the data on sony servers remain unprotected just because sony is stuck up?

 

[Popido]

This news is about half as good as the news about Osama Bin Laden - and that news was friggin awesome.

That's right, we caught the f**kers, and I hope they are fined to the point of near outrageousness, and kept in cells for atleast 10 years... should I read the article first on what they plan to do?..

This is actually even better than catching Obama. You really did it this time. The 12th time you catched these f**kers. Thats like, 4 times catching Obama!

I'm going to assume you meant Osama there..
Anyway.. No. Replacing the word Anonymous with people makes even less sense. Because not all people are immature dicks just trying to fuck with other people's shit. Anonymous is NOT everyone or whatever the fuck they claim. They DO NOT represent everyone's "best interests".

Exactly, because Anonymous is not everyone, but the people that are present atm. The Anonymous manifesto is simple just an ideal supported by people. It represents the people supporting this ideal. The more popular the ideal is the more people will support it. And the more sophisticated the ideal is, the more wiser the supporters behind this ideal are. And if they aint, the ideal silently quiets down or gets picked up by wiser sum of people.

Sony says they found a file that claims Anon hacked them and all Sony fans assume Anon did but all evidence based on Anons modus operandi points to Anon not actualy hacking them. I love ignorance.

So, the AnonOps admin didn't hack them, thanks for the obvious update.

But if *anyone* can be "Anonymous" (using the fucked up logic of their own "rules"), Anonymous was involved. As the so-called commandments state (Anonymous is NOT the ruler of the internet, fuck right off, that makes the whole freedom excuse entirely useless), "Anonymous is no one and anyone" (WHAT.), so therefore ANYONE that has involvement with Anonymous IS Anonymous. By their own logic, they did it.

People did it. Go arrest the people. What people? The people. Who? Just go arrest some people, I dont care.

The Anonymous rules are more of an observations, such as rule 34. But the Ideals have rules to support the ideal, like Operation World Peace: RULE #36 Do NOT shoot people in a bathtub either.

The anonymous word originated from message boards where it ment "a colorful group of strangers posting as one person." No need to look for that one up. The Anonymous manifesto is the observation that if ideal is good enough, people will support it. And The Anonymous "Freedom" movement is a sum of ideals put in action by different people to support the ideal Freedom, whatever that is.

The LulzSec is in sense an Anonymous manifesto, but should not be connected to The Anonymous movement, as people are not good enough to tell these two apart. The first is an ideal to expose the security holes of internet services to the world and the former is a freedom movement.

Edit:
Lets continue on why "we" know that Anonymous didnt hack the PSN.

Its not in the Ideal. It has to be in the Ideal or the people supporting the Ideal dont know that they're supposed to hack into PSN. If something like this happens and there are no supporters present to take a credit for it nor no ideals presented to speak for the supporters, then is it really an anonymous manifesto at all? No, but it can become one. A solo group show'd to the world that "this is what we can and want to do" and now there is LulzSec.

 

[Hyper-space]

Can someone explain to me how one can arrest the leaders of a leaderless group?

I don't know.

But maybe, just maybe, and this is a stretch, I know, Anon isn't quite as leaderless as they want people to think. It's kind of hard to organize anything if everyone is just doing whatever the hell they want. In all likely hood, these men were the leaders of certain operations, not the group as a whole. If you've ever been involved in any group work, you probably have an idea of what I am talking about.

Have you ever seen one of these "operations"? it usually starts with a corporation or a government doing something that pisses most of Anonymous off, then about 3 to 5 people or so each make an image calling for an attack on the website of the certain someone they have a grievance with, then that image gets reposted over 9000 times, that's it.

There is no secret puppet-master behind all of this, Anonymous is too interchangeable and vague to have a leader.

 

[Michael826]

This is Anonymous right now:

Spoiler

It seems people have been focusing all too hard on the group it identifies, rather than the meaning of the word. As several have said before me, Anonymous is leaderless, making these arrests more or less redundant. And now Anonymous has an excuse to have some fun.

In conclusion: Cool story, bro.

 

[Firehound]

... A police department has a Twitter feed?

This is terrible news indeed.

Pretty much. I love this article.

Police: We have all of the anons in spain. All of them.

 

[JET1971]

... A police department has a Twitter feed?

This is terrible news indeed.

Pretty much. I love this article.

Police: We have all of the anons in spain. All of them.

And Anonymous in spain are all "who they hell are those three guys?"

Those 3 were members of Anon, the police released a screenshot of them on the IRC calling for a DDoS on a Spanish bank and government websites. That does not prove that Anon had anything to do with the PSN hack and is not proof those three had anything to do with it.

I have a feeling the Spanish police are confusing the DDoS attack on PSN being the same event as the hack that shut down PSN and was the 4rth largest data breach. the 2 were seperate events and they may not understand that especialy because Sony said they found a file pointing at Anonops, and them thinking the file was fact and not suspect evidence.

 

[Damien Granz]

I love that 3 alleged Anons suspected of being part of the PSN hack got arrested, and people are like "But, they might have hacked bad government sites too, like Iran's or Egypt's", like as if there's some amount of do-gooding that means you can do millions of dollars of damage elsewhere.

Like, because I'd like to know the ratio of 'good' crimes I can commit to 'bad' crimes I can get away with. Like, if I uselessly hack enough dictatorship webpages and make them into dick jokes, do I get to redeem that for a really serious crime down the line? It seems like the ratio so far is, what 5 'good' crimes to 1 'bad' crime of a million dollars of damage and I still come out a hero to some people, right?

Like do my dick joke hack membership points expire, or can I accumulate them over a long time?

It also implies that Egyptians and Tunisians or whatever would be too stupid to form their own rebellions and too cowardly to risk life and limb to do so, if it wasn't for the good graces some American or Europeans bravely keeping Twitter open (the only resource a revolution needs, thank god!). Despite the fact that only like 1,000 people out of 77 million in Iran use twitter.

 

[duchaked]

I wanna see pics with names. Take away all anonymity. Also that "We are legion threat". you'd think that they would learn that being an internet "Menace" Doesn't translate over to real life. they know your just some pathetic kids who probably can't do anything about using your computer the way other people tell you to little script kiddies.

oooh now that would be a blow to the ego wouldn't it? heh
well I mean with the whole revealing their pics with names and stuff part lol

 

[headshotcatcher]

lets make a bet, will sony hire them to work for internet security or will the data on sony servers remain unprotected just because sony is stuck up?

Soo let's say you get beat up by a group of guys.

Do you ask them to teach you their ways? Or do you just resent them..

Also, I hope these were actually some active anon/lulzsec/whatever users, and that they get whatever punishment that makes them stop being such dicktards..

 

[The-Epicly-Named-Man]

Wondering if the Spanish Police just added on the PSN attack charge to lengthen whatever sentence the group are getting for the attacks on the government sites and all the other things.

 

[InfiniteSingularity]

For bringing PSN down for no reason, these idiots deserve to rot in jail. For bringing down the government websites of Libya, Tunisia, Iran, and Egypt during the Arab uprising, these guys deserve a fucking medal. What? Nothing is ever strictly black and white...

Wait, so people who interrupted your video game opportunities deserve to "rot in jail"? How old are you, 12? I understand this is a video game forum and all, but come on

I'm fairly convicted they didn't steal the credit card numbers and such, and I don't quite get the hate for Anonymous - I find myself supporting most of their causes.

 

[Dogstile]

Three?

Well done Spain. You've caught them all! I knew you could do it! Three!

 

[LilKyubi1]

Personally I agree with the people from Extra Creditz. For the following reasons:

1) They stand for the freedom of information

2) Same goes for free speech

3) and an unregulated internet

4) They WILL attack people... But they wll only do soif they have been attacked by them directly or if they infringed on their core ideals

5) They do NOT ingage in criminal activity for the financial benefit of themselves (i.e. they would have just crashed PSN and not taken the credit card numbers)

6)And as such you can then infer that they usally do thing "for teh lulz"

If they were putting their resourses into stealing credit card numbers GOD HELP US ALL we'd all be screwed. Also if they were doing it to steal credit card numbers they would not start with PSN, they'ed screw up some bank and steal even more than was stolen from PSN. They also wouldn't have left a card saying "Anonymous did this". They only do that when doing things to prove a point such as leaving their card on one of the Westboro Bapists Church's websites during a double interveiw. Also doing such probably hurt them as much as it hurt most of you (I don't own a PS3... I had nothing on PSN when it got hacked... and still have nothing on it). As such doing so would have been "anti lulz." If they did this they would have found a funnier, if not Classier way of screwing with them. And don't forget that Sony said at first that it WASN'T Anonymous. It wasn't till they found out that it will cost them ALOT of cash that they found the card. Personaly it sounds a little fishy to me. And that's why i think Anonymous didn't do it.

(btw i took most of this info from the Extra Creditz episode Anonymous, but the stuff not in that episode i found from personal experiance and a friend)

 

[crudus]

Do real life people know what Anonymous is? I am really beginning to think they don't.

Yeah, good job, Spain. You got ALL of Anon in Spain. Yay!

Not all. Just the leaders. However, as we all know cut off the head and the snake will die.

... A police department has a Twitter feed?

That is also my first question after reading the article.

 

[Addicted Muffin]

It saddens me to see the /b/ros getting a hit like this. How they were caught is beyond my comprehension, but I guess next time they won't slip up. I hope they learned something.

they should have learned to use a damn proxxy...

and whats up with the "Local Leadership" BS...anon has no structure, it's just a mass, a hive mind, working for what they want to do cause they can...

they are the pure definition of chaotic neutral...

if spain did anything right, they made anon stronger by thinning out the weak links...