Anonymous Says It's Not Finished With Sony

[JDKJ]

[SNIP more ramblings from me]

So are you saying you are OK with sony's demands to see private data with no court order, or that you're ok with people who viewed his video or donated Suing Sony for demanding and taking your personal information without your consent or a warrant, and Youtube for violating their part of the terms and conditions because they gave up the information to a private company and not to law enforcement with warrants?

1. So are you saying you are OK with Sony's demands to see private data with no court order?
Yes. Absolutely. This is a good business decision to keep tabs on potential future troublemaker for your company. The information probably won't be of much value, but you never know down the road. Maybe you might even get some leads on people who are part of Anonymous. Those guys are definite troublemakers for Sony right now. I sure as Hell don't think they should get the information, but--from a business standpoint--it's a great idea to ask for it. Hey, you never know until you ask.

2. Am I ok with people who viewed his video or donated Suing Sony for demanding and taking your personal information without your consent or a warrant, and Youtube for violating their part of the terms and conditions because they gave up the information to a private company and not to law enforcement with warrants?
Yes. I am perfectly fine with people suing Sony for it. You never know until you sue. What information did they get I wonder? Credit card numbers? I sincerely doubt that. Names? Maybe. Social Security numbers? Come on...really? Amount donated? Who knows. Somebody post me a link that tells me what data Sony got so I can dial up my concern to the appropriate level. (If it's my full name, birthdate, city, and occupation, they could have just read that from my profile here.) Wait...I can see it now. Sony is going to use everybody's names, SSNs and PayPal account information to make illegal charges to prosecute future PS3 hackers.

For the record, they didn't get my information. I didn't donate anything or watch his video. If I had, then I would probably still have the exact same opinion about my data being turned over. I would be all "Hey Sony! I watched GeoHot's video! I'm glad you know that I did it and who I am! What're you gonna do, ban me from PSN? Oh wait. I don't have a PS3. BURN!....Why did my digital camera just quit working?"

Mmm. If part of the agreement that you signed with these companies is that they won't divulge your personal information, then they, at the very least, are in the wrong. If Sony somehow manipulated or threatened them into doing it, then Sony is also in the wrong. I agree that there isn't much Sony can do with such general information as your names (and I'd be really surprised if paypal actually released people's ssn), but still it isn't a good thing.

If your argument is that you're fine with it because it benefits Sony from a business standpoint, then you've committed yourself to admitting that slavery is alright. Because let's face it, what can be better from a business standpoint than owning your workers? If you're just saying that it's fine for Sony to ask for the information, then I'll agree. If they just asked for it, then they aren't the ones who are in the wrong.

Actually, when you sign up for a Google blogsite or a PayPal account or the like, buried deep within all the legal "blah, blah, blah" is some "blah, blah, blah" that informs you of the possibility that they will have to disclose information about you if they receive a valid subpoena issued by a court of law and which compels them to disclose the information sought.

The good news is that the Googles and Paypals usually fight tooth and nail in order to avoid having to cough up the information. They understand that willingly throwing their subscribers under a bus ain't exactly good for business.

Yes, I'm well aware of this. Sony didn't use a subpoena though. They just asked for it.

From where are you gettin' your facts? They mostly certainly served court-granted subpoenas of Google, PayPal, BlueHost, and others. You don't think SCEA's $700 per-hour attorneys know that if they had simply asked, pretty please, for Google, PayPal, BlueHost and the others to just give them the information, they would have received in response a collective "Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit!" from Google, PayPal, BlueHost and the others? At $700 per, they ain't wasting their client's money with that effort in futility. They went to the Magistrate and got them some subpoenas which they then served on Google, PayPal, BlueHost and the others. That fact is well-covered by dozens of news outlets on the 'net, including everyone's favorite source for gaming-related news, the Escapist.

Well in that case I blame Sony. And the (likely very corrupt) magistrate that gave them the subpoena. Actually, I largely blame the magistrate/judge. WTF! Seriously, a subpoena for what cannot even be construed as an illegal activity. "They donated money to the guy we're suing, after he's already done the things that we're suing him for. Can we have their personal information please?" Someone got their pockets lined in that one.

You might wanna pull that anti-conspiracy tin-foil hat down closer to your ears. The mind-controlling gamma rays that Sony, the Magistrate, the Trilateral Commission, and the World Bank-International Monetary Fund are constantly beaming at you might leak in under your hat, if you don't.

LOL. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to recognize that people are greedy and can be bought off. You really think that no one has ever accepted a bribe ever? I think that makes you the one with the irrational belief.

As long as you can appreciate the humor, it's all good. I was yanking your chain more than anything else. And, frankly, the notion that a court in the Silicon Valley area (which is where Ego Hot's case was) would be little sympathetic to a software developer ain't exactly far-fetched. But buying off a Magistrate? It ain't impossible but it is unlikely.

Eh. You'd like to think so, but do you remember the whole debacle with Duke Cunningham? And he was a friggin' congressman. But someone else illuminated the fact that Sony had a legal right to ask for the information because it was relevant to decide the jurisdiction of the case. If enough people from California sent Hotz money, that would mean that the case should be settled in California. So I rescind my previous comment. Although it still might be the case that Sony buttered them up a little bit.

My favorite example of corruption is Alcee Hastings, a federal judge who was impeached and convicted for bribery but because the Senate, for some strange reason, didn't impose the usual sentence of exclusion from seeking public office in the future, Ol' Alcee ran for Congress and won a seat. He's still a Congressman. As Don King always says, "Only in America."

Eh. Any plausibility of a non-corrupt government flew out the window with the advent of lobbyists. There is no grand conspiracy. You just can't get elected without having a lot of corporate money behind you.

"There is no grand conspiracy."

You can think that, if you want. Me, I'm pulling my tin-foil hat down around my ears.

 

[snfonseka]

"Sony had "forced" sites like YouTube and PayPal to give up personal information about people..." is this true? because I didn't read such news lately.

 

[Clankenbeard]

All I can hope for is that someday, and maybe even now, there's a lawyer sitting in the wings that is ready to pull a Asbestos\Hurricane Katrina\big tobacco lawsuit on sony.

There's so much money in it

Hopefully he\she doesn't get caught bribing a judge and we win.

Well stated. If there's money in it, a lawyer will find it. Of course he/she may get permabanned from gameplay on the PSN.

"SONY: Because Caucasians are Just Too Damn Tall" - from the movie Funny People
FINAL CLIP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgTLx93vyrU
FAILED PITCHES: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIIqFpZdy0

 

[ReiverCorrupter]

[SNIP more ramblings from me]

So are you saying you are OK with sony's demands to see private data with no court order, or that you're ok with people who viewed his video or donated Suing Sony for demanding and taking your personal information without your consent or a warrant, and Youtube for violating their part of the terms and conditions because they gave up the information to a private company and not to law enforcement with warrants?

1. So are you saying you are OK with Sony's demands to see private data with no court order?
Yes. Absolutely. This is a good business decision to keep tabs on potential future troublemaker for your company. The information probably won't be of much value, but you never know down the road. Maybe you might even get some leads on people who are part of Anonymous. Those guys are definite troublemakers for Sony right now. I sure as Hell don't think they should get the information, but--from a business standpoint--it's a great idea to ask for it. Hey, you never know until you ask.

2. Am I ok with people who viewed his video or donated Suing Sony for demanding and taking your personal information without your consent or a warrant, and Youtube for violating their part of the terms and conditions because they gave up the information to a private company and not to law enforcement with warrants?
Yes. I am perfectly fine with people suing Sony for it. You never know until you sue. What information did they get I wonder? Credit card numbers? I sincerely doubt that. Names? Maybe. Social Security numbers? Come on...really? Amount donated? Who knows. Somebody post me a link that tells me what data Sony got so I can dial up my concern to the appropriate level. (If it's my full name, birthdate, city, and occupation, they could have just read that from my profile here.) Wait...I can see it now. Sony is going to use everybody's names, SSNs and PayPal account information to make illegal charges to prosecute future PS3 hackers.

For the record, they didn't get my information. I didn't donate anything or watch his video. If I had, then I would probably still have the exact same opinion about my data being turned over. I would be all "Hey Sony! I watched GeoHot's video! I'm glad you know that I did it and who I am! What're you gonna do, ban me from PSN? Oh wait. I don't have a PS3. BURN!....Why did my digital camera just quit working?"

Mmm. If part of the agreement that you signed with these companies is that they won't divulge your personal information, then they, at the very least, are in the wrong. If Sony somehow manipulated or threatened them into doing it, then Sony is also in the wrong. I agree that there isn't much Sony can do with such general information as your names (and I'd be really surprised if paypal actually released people's ssn), but still it isn't a good thing.

If your argument is that you're fine with it because it benefits Sony from a business standpoint, then you've committed yourself to admitting that slavery is alright. Because let's face it, what can be better from a business standpoint than owning your workers? If you're just saying that it's fine for Sony to ask for the information, then I'll agree. If they just asked for it, then they aren't the ones who are in the wrong.

Actually, when you sign up for a Google blogsite or a PayPal account or the like, buried deep within all the legal "blah, blah, blah" is some "blah, blah, blah" that informs you of the possibility that they will have to disclose information about you if they receive a valid subpoena issued by a court of law and which compels them to disclose the information sought.

The good news is that the Googles and Paypals usually fight tooth and nail in order to avoid having to cough up the information. They understand that willingly throwing their subscribers under a bus ain't exactly good for business.

Yes, I'm well aware of this. Sony didn't use a subpoena though. They just asked for it.

From where are you gettin' your facts? They mostly certainly served court-granted subpoenas of Google, PayPal, BlueHost, and others. You don't think SCEA's $700 per-hour attorneys know that if they had simply asked, pretty please, for Google, PayPal, BlueHost and the others to just give them the information, they would have received in response a collective "Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit!" from Google, PayPal, BlueHost and the others? At $700 per, they ain't wasting their client's money with that effort in futility. They went to the Magistrate and got them some subpoenas which they then served on Google, PayPal, BlueHost and the others. That fact is well-covered by dozens of news outlets on the 'net, including everyone's favorite source for gaming-related news, the Escapist.

Well in that case I blame Sony. And the (likely very corrupt) magistrate that gave them the subpoena. Actually, I largely blame the magistrate/judge. WTF! Seriously, a subpoena for what cannot even be construed as an illegal activity. "They donated money to the guy we're suing, after he's already done the things that we're suing him for. Can we have their personal information please?" Someone got their pockets lined in that one.

You might wanna pull that anti-conspiracy tin-foil hat down closer to your ears. The mind-controlling gamma rays that Sony, the Magistrate, the Trilateral Commission, and the World Bank-International Monetary Fund are constantly beaming at you might leak in under your hat, if you don't.

LOL. You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to recognize that people are greedy and can be bought off. You really think that no one has ever accepted a bribe ever? I think that makes you the one with the irrational belief.

As long as you can appreciate the humor, it's all good. I was yanking your chain more than anything else. And, frankly, the notion that a court in the Silicon Valley area (which is where Ego Hot's case was) would be little sympathetic to a software developer ain't exactly far-fetched. But buying off a Magistrate? It ain't impossible but it is unlikely.

Eh. You'd like to think so, but do you remember the whole debacle with Duke Cunningham? And he was a friggin' congressman. But someone else illuminated the fact that Sony had a legal right to ask for the information because it was relevant to decide the jurisdiction of the case. If enough people from California sent Hotz money, that would mean that the case should be settled in California. So I rescind my previous comment. Although it still might be the case that Sony buttered them up a little bit.

My favorite example of corruption is Alcee Hastings, a federal judge who was impeached and convicted for bribery but because the Senate, for some strange reason, didn't impose the usual sentence of exclusion from seeking public office in the future, Ol' Alcee ran for Congress and won a seat. He's still a Congressman. As Don King always says, "Only in America."

Eh. Any plausibility of a non-corrupt government flew out the window with the advent of lobbyists. There is no grand conspiracy. You just can't get elected without having a lot of corporate money behind you.

"There is no grand conspiracy."

You can think that, if you want. Me, I'm pulling my tin-foil hat down around my ears.

That must be comforting actually. Frankly I buy into the most terrifying conspiracy theory: that there is no conspiracy because no one is in control. Individual human beings may have mind, but our society is being driven by blind forces. Possibly (perhaps likely if you watch the news) to our own destruction.

 

[Nieroshai]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

 

[Kevon Huggins]

I rely dont blame them sony brought this sony brought this on them selves
they took out otheros

 

[DoctorM]

What the hell is a Sony Store?

 

[venn2011]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.

 

[JDKJ]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask?

A really bad case of acne would be my first guess.

 

[SinisterGehe]

That was rather odd, I had no problems using SONY's websites? Or is that only because I happen to live in Finland and I use the Finnish servers?

I is like fighting against McDonalds by just closing down one restaurant.
But let them boycott, I will buy SONY long as they offer me the best deals with best price.

 

[ionveau]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.

You talk as if the world is fair and balanced, You say that downloading a movie should give jail time yet you agree on giving out personal information of people because you think they are going to pirate something?

Oh please you people are rich you use the whole pirate thing as a chain against yourselves, Would it really be that bad if you could use your PS3 as a computer or install anything you wanted on it? just because it can be used for piracy means nothing if in the long run it makes the products use more meaningful then just turning on your PS3 and playing a game.

Again you are shooting yourself in the foot by bashing these people.

 

[JDKJ]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.

You talk as if the world is fair and balanced, You say that downloading a movie should give jail time yet you agree on giving out personal information of people because you think they are going to pirate something?

Oh please you people are rich you use the whole pirate thing as a chain against yourselves, Would it really be that bad if you could use your PS3 as a computer or install anything you wanted on it? just because it can be used for piracy means nothing if in the long run it makes the products use more meaningful then just turning on your PS3 and playing a game.

Again you are shooting yourself in the foot by bashing these people.

Call me prejudiced if you want, but I can't help thinking that if your avatar wasn't that of a pirate's ship flying two Jolly Roger flags, your arguments would be a whole lot more convincing.

It is kinda like the kid with a mouth surrounded by brown cookie crumbs arguing that it wouldn't be bad if the local supermarket quit calling the cops when they catch someone shoplifting Double-Stuffed Oreos. I ain't really listening too keenly to his argument. I'm too busy looking at all those brown cookie crumbs around his mouth.

 

[ionveau]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.

You talk as if the world is fair and balanced, You say that downloading a movie should give jail time yet you agree on giving out personal information of people because you think they are going to pirate something?

Oh please you people are rich you use the whole pirate thing as a chain against yourselves, Would it really be that bad if you could use your PS3 as a computer or install anything you wanted on it? just because it can be used for piracy means nothing if in the long run it makes the products use more meaningful then just turning on your PS3 and playing a game.

Again you are shooting yourself in the foot by bashing these people.

Call me prejudiced if you want, but I can't help thinking that if your avatar wasn't that of a pirate's ship flying two Jolly Roger flags, your arguments would be a whole lot more convincing.

It is kinda like the kid with a mouth surrounded by brown cookie crumbs arguing that it wouldn't be bad if the local supermarket quit calling the cops when they catch someone shoplifting Double-Stuffed Oreos. I ain't really listening too keenly to his argument. I'm too busy looking at all those brown cookie crumbs around his mouth.

Bless you, in your little opinion you just proven how brain washed and childish gamers are, hell if i was running the show at the game studios i would milk you guys so hard its not even funny,

Anyways call me a pirate sure why not, call me a hacker sure why not, you know why i dont care? Unlike you I have......OPTIONS! Yup options are sure nice when you actually know how to do things.

I dont know about people that hate pirates/hackers maybe they are the ones who get tricked into downloading malware/spyware onto their PCs and are to afraid of walking into the forest of the internet and rather stay on SAFE websites such as this.

And also i find no reason to listen to a person that loves cartoons 40year old ones at that.
Transformers the where made to sell the products kinda like pokemon and you gai ho

 

[lmp1128]

i am going to go to a sony store and buy a ps3 and a sony tv.some of my frinds are to.
i do not agree with Anonymous.

 

[JDKJ]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.

You talk as if the world is fair and balanced, You say that downloading a movie should give jail time yet you agree on giving out personal information of people because you think they are going to pirate something?

Oh please you people are rich you use the whole pirate thing as a chain against yourselves, Would it really be that bad if you could use your PS3 as a computer or install anything you wanted on it? just because it can be used for piracy means nothing if in the long run it makes the products use more meaningful then just turning on your PS3 and playing a game.

Again you are shooting yourself in the foot by bashing these people.

Call me prejudiced if you want, but I can't help thinking that if your avatar wasn't that of a pirate's ship flying two Jolly Roger flags, your arguments would be a whole lot more convincing.

It is kinda like the kid with a mouth surrounded by brown cookie crumbs arguing that it wouldn't be bad if the local supermarket quit calling the cops when they catch someone shoplifting Double-Stuffed Oreos. I ain't really listening too keenly to his argument. I'm too busy looking at all those brown cookie crumbs around his mouth.

Bless you, in your little opinion you just proven how brain washed and childish gamers are, hell if i was running the show at the game studios i would milk you guys so hard its not even funny,

Anyways call me a pirate sure why not, call me a hacker sure why not, you know why i dont care? Unlike you I have......OPTIONS! Yup options are sure nice when you actually know how to do things.

I dont know about people that hate pirates/hackers maybe they are the ones who get tricked into downloading malware/spyware onto their PCs and are to afraid of walking into the forest of the internet and rather stay on SAFE websites such as this.

And also i find no reason to listen to a person that loves cartoons 40year old ones at that.
Transformers the where made to sell the products kinda like pokemon and you gai ho

I never called you a pirate or a hacker but, hey, if the shoe fits . . . .

 

[ionveau]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.

You talk as if the world is fair and balanced, You say that downloading a movie should give jail time yet you agree on giving out personal information of people because you think they are going to pirate something?

Oh please you people are rich you use the whole pirate thing as a chain against yourselves, Would it really be that bad if you could use your PS3 as a computer or install anything you wanted on it? just because it can be used for piracy means nothing if in the long run it makes the products use more meaningful then just turning on your PS3 and playing a game.

Again you are shooting yourself in the foot by bashing these people.

Call me prejudiced if you want, but I can't help thinking that if your avatar wasn't that of a pirate's ship flying two Jolly Roger flags, your arguments would be a whole lot more convincing.

It is kinda like the kid with a mouth surrounded by brown cookie crumbs arguing that it wouldn't be bad if the local supermarket quit calling the cops when they catch someone shoplifting Double-Stuffed Oreos. I ain't really listening too keenly to his argument. I'm too busy looking at all those brown cookie crumbs around his mouth.

Bless you, in your little opinion you just proven how brain washed and childish gamers are, hell if i was running the show at the game studios i would milk you guys so hard its not even funny,

Anyways call me a pirate sure why not, call me a hacker sure why not, you know why i dont care? Unlike you I have......OPTIONS! Yup options are sure nice when you actually know how to do things.

I dont know about people that hate pirates/hackers maybe they are the ones who get tricked into downloading malware/spyware onto their PCs and are to afraid of walking into the forest of the internet and rather stay on SAFE websites such as this.

And also i find no reason to listen to a person that loves cartoons 40year old ones at that.
Transformers the where made to sell the products kinda like pokemon and you gai ho

I never called you a pirate or a hacker but, hey, if the shoe fits . . . .

Just dont call me a gamer and we are good <3

 

[JDKJ]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.

You talk as if the world is fair and balanced, You say that downloading a movie should give jail time yet you agree on giving out personal information of people because you think they are going to pirate something?

Oh please you people are rich you use the whole pirate thing as a chain against yourselves, Would it really be that bad if you could use your PS3 as a computer or install anything you wanted on it? just because it can be used for piracy means nothing if in the long run it makes the products use more meaningful then just turning on your PS3 and playing a game.

Again you are shooting yourself in the foot by bashing these people.

Call me prejudiced if you want, but I can't help thinking that if your avatar wasn't that of a pirate's ship flying two Jolly Roger flags, your arguments would be a whole lot more convincing.

It is kinda like the kid with a mouth surrounded by brown cookie crumbs arguing that it wouldn't be bad if the local supermarket quit calling the cops when they catch someone shoplifting Double-Stuffed Oreos. I ain't really listening too keenly to his argument. I'm too busy looking at all those brown cookie crumbs around his mouth.

Bless you, in your little opinion you just proven how brain washed and childish gamers are, hell if i was running the show at the game studios i would milk you guys so hard its not even funny,

Anyways call me a pirate sure why not, call me a hacker sure why not, you know why i dont care? Unlike you I have......OPTIONS! Yup options are sure nice when you actually know how to do things.

I dont know about people that hate pirates/hackers maybe they are the ones who get tricked into downloading malware/spyware onto their PCs and are to afraid of walking into the forest of the internet and rather stay on SAFE websites such as this.

And also i find no reason to listen to a person that loves cartoons 40year old ones at that.
Transformers the where made to sell the products kinda like pokemon and you gai ho

I never called you a pirate or a hacker but, hey, if the shoe fits . . . .

Just dont call me a gamer and we are good <3

Ahh, ya doesn?t has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me Ray Jay, or you can call me R.J. . . . but ya doesn?t hafta call me Johnson!

 

[Silva]

3,400 people? Hahaha!

Sorry, but that's a really amateur number for a protest group. That's barely newsworthy at a local level.

We get much bigger groups protesting inaction on climate change. And thank goodness for that - it does, as an issue, matter a lot more.

With that said though, I agree in principle with a boycott of buying Sony goods if they have attempted to gain private data not provided directly to them by the people it is written by and about. I'd be very surprised if what Sony has done here is in any way legal. It certainly seems to spit in the face of binding law agreements signed upon joining the involved services, not to mention human rights (morally and potentially legally).

I just don't agree with Anonymous' previously reported methods as a group, and I wouldn't want anything to do with them. Illegal methods are a stupid route of protest that just end up backfiring anyway. If you want real, lasting change in society, I'd say you should do it using legally allowed methods.

1. So are you saying you are OK with Sony's demands to see private data with no court order?
Yes. Absolutely. This is a good business decision to keep tabs on potential future troublemaker for your company. The information probably won't be of much value, but you never know down the road. Maybe you might even get some leads on people who are part of Anonymous. Those guys are definite troublemakers for Sony right now. I sure as Hell don't think they should get the information, but--from a business standpoint--it's a great idea to ask for it. Hey, you never know until you ask.

So it's okay*** for Sony to take a purely selfish business standpoint on this and completely disregard moral thinking, and ask for this information just in case there's a legal or practical loophole that allows them to get it?

Not for me, it isn't. They shouldn't even have the nerve to ask, for fear of lawsuits carried against them by the People.

And in any case, ethical business is good business in the long term. If you're unethical, it just leads to boycotts and decreased sales from an unsatisfied consumer base. You know... like this one.

***(I know that's not exactly what you're saying, but the attempt to step into their shoes leaves me cold here.)

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

They are right why should sony be allowed to turn the world upside down for their little gaming console, I say make them wish they never crossed their own fans

AS a Sony fan, all I see is a bunch of pirates standing up for a hacker that violated the EULA he signed a few too many times.

I agree. Pirating is illegal from the start anyway. And if Anonymous is truly righteous, why is he hiding behind the Anon-mask? Is he afraid of Sony's persecution... or the scrutiny from rest of the world for being a "criminal"?

Seriously, we are not living in some medieval age with Spanish Inquisition. This is 21st Century. If he is really right, then law WILL side with him.

You talk as if the world is fair and balanced, You say that downloading a movie should give jail time yet you agree on giving out personal information of people because you think they are going to pirate something?

Oh please you people are rich you use the whole pirate thing as a chain against yourselves, Would it really be that bad if you could use your PS3 as a computer or install anything you wanted on it? just because it can be used for piracy means nothing if in the long run it makes the products use more meaningful then just turning on your PS3 and playing a game.

Again you are shooting yourself in the foot by bashing these people.

I'm rich? Yes...
With my job paying me $1,600 a month
My rent costing me $600 a month
My electric bill costing me $50 a month
My gas bill costing $40 a month
My internet costing $50 a month
My groceries costing on average $200 a month
My ferrets costing me $50 a month
My phone bill at $50 a month
lets not forget anything else I need to live/be comfortable like clothing and such...

Even a $1600 pay check can dissipate fairly quickly. I'm not exactly "rich" and video games are the last thing on my list of things to buy IF I have the money for it.

The sad part is if you ran a company, YES you would be milking people for cash. Know why? It's what every company does. Do you know what a company's function is? To make money. How does it make money? It convinces us that we need their product and they don't give out freebies. That's economics and that's the world we live in. The richest men in the world will tell you, they became rich by being stingy, by holding onto their money and getting more of it. It's THAT SIMPLE.

Now let us say you're the CEO of a company. You've raked in $2,000,000 this year but you projected $5,000,000. You find out that you've lost $3,000,000 in sales because everyone just decided to pirate it rather than pay money for a product you paid to create (man hours, etc...). Now some people are suing the excuse of being too lazy, some say it's not worth buying, some people are crying poor... Do you give a shit? No. You paid money to give them a game, a product, and you want your profit.

Not "rich" enough to buy the product? Get a better job. Too lazy to get up and buy it? Then you shouldn't play it at all. There is no excuse, reason, or variation thereof which validates piracy. You're just lazy and find it easier to scream "Poor!" and "Greedy Company" than to get a job.

 

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3,400 people? Hahaha!

Sorry, but that's a really amateur number for a protest group. That's barely newsworthy at a local level.

We get much bigger groups protesting inaction on climate change. And thank goodness for that - it does, as an issue, matter a lot more.

With that said though, I agree in principle with a boycott of buying Sony goods if they have attempted to gain private data not provided directly to them by the people it is written by and about. I'd be very surprised if what Sony has done here is in any way legal. It certainly seems to spit in the face of binding law agreements signed upon joining the involved services, not to mention human rights (morally and potentially legally).

I just don't agree with Anonymous' previously reported methods as a group, and I wouldn't want anything to do with them. Illegal methods are a stupid route of protest that just end up backfiring anyway. If you want real, lasting change in society, I'd say you should do it using legally allowed methods.

1. So are you saying you are OK with Sony's demands to see private data with no court order?
Yes. Absolutely. This is a good business decision to keep tabs on potential future troublemaker for your company. The information probably won't be of much value, but you never know down the road. Maybe you might even get some leads on people who are part of Anonymous. Those guys are definite troublemakers for Sony right now. I sure as Hell don't think they should get the information, but--from a business standpoint--it's a great idea to ask for it. Hey, you never know until you ask.

So it's okay*** for Sony to take a purely selfish business standpoint on this and completely disregard moral thinking, and ask for this information just in case there's a legal or practical loophole that allows them to get it?

Not for me, it isn't. They shouldn't even have the nerve to ask, for fear of lawsuits carried against them by the People.

And in any case, ethical business is good business in the long term. If you're unethical, it just leads to boycotts and decreased sales from an unsatisfied consumer base. You know... like this one.

***(I know that's not exactly what you're saying, but the attempt to step into their shoes leaves me cold here.)

TO be honest I see this in a very basic point of view. Sony, Bill Gates, Me, the homeless man on the corner, you, the weird looking man in the country next to mine, everyone has the right to ASK for something or even DEMAND something. However, the person they make the demands of can always say "NO".

Facebook asks for your personal info. If you say no, then you don't post it. If you do post it, then if your account gets hacked and everyone has your personal info, its your fault for putting it on the internet.

My future potential landlord can ASK me for post dated cheques for every month of the rent upon signature of the lease. But I can say no, and he cannot force me as per the regie de logement of Quebec.

Sure, you can demand all you want, it's not a crime. But if someone doens't want to, it is within their right as a person.

I can walk up to you tomorrow and say "Dude, can you give me your car? I'm not gonna pay you for it" and if you give it to me, then you do. Sure outside people will say "He must have tricked him, how dare he not offer the guy anything for the car" rather than "Well, it's a valid deal. He asked for the car, he said he wasn't going to pay, and he got it... Dude shouldn't have given his car away"