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[Parivir]

I've got one.
I was picked on pretty much solid from year 6 to year 11 (age 10 to 16) but it essentially stopped, apart from the occasional cry of 'Ginger' (freaking morons ¬.¬), after this little prick kept pushing me outside our sports hall, so I put up with it for a while but eventually I decided that he was going to stop. I grabbed both his arms and pinned him to the wall (using just enough force to restrain him with out any violence) while repeatedly, but calmly, saying stop hitting me. So he started kicking my shins but gave up after he realized that I wasn't letting him go until he stopped.
Later on that day he apologized and I didn't get any more stick from him or the rest of his group of bullies (who coincidentally did nothing to make me let him go), but it just goes to show that while violence is unnecessary, force is the only thing they'll understand.

 

[Dango]

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So schools just accept violence if someone views it as justified? I don't agree with zero-tolerance rules, those do nothing to fix the problem, but leaving these things alone does even less. All schools have to do is educate their students. Morality can be taught and learned, and if schools placed moral lessons as high on their list of priorities as studying math and literature, society would be a much more peaceful place.

No, I'm saying that if one person is clearly fighting back against an aggressor, the aggressor should be punished and the defender should not be punished at all.

Additionally, penalties for fighting among children should be scaled WAY back. Any system that expels, permanently, an honor student with no previous disciplinary history just because he fought back against a known bully is not just flawed. It's broken.

Also, families should teach morality. I don't want the state determining what is and is not moral and teaching it in an institutionalized form. What you're proposing crosses the line from education to indoctrination.

Sorry, I probably should have been more specific, I kind of use the word "morals" very loosely. What I probably should have said was emotionally educated, which is to say schools should place a much bigger emphasis on teaching students understanding and tolerance.

 

[Kortney]

Actions have consequenes I guess.

I'm not happy with the huge amount of people watching a 2 minute video and then deciding if the violence was necessary. We don't know what went on before this. To be honest, both boys looked like they were being quite aggressive.

This is a really tricky issue. I don't believe schools can let "counter-bullying" aggression go unpunished, because it leaves the gate open. Who decides who is a bully? Who decides how much force is allowed? Who decides to what extent of bullying is required before you are allowed to nearly kill the bully?

-"Johnny, why did you slam this child's face into the concrete and kill him?

-"He was bullying me, sir! It's okay to be aggressive to bullies - because it's the only language they will listen too."

No, that doesn't sit right with me. You can't send the message that violence is okay - especially not in schools. You can't tell students "It's okay to pulverise someone as long as you are bullied".

But, on the other hand there is a part of me that thinks actions have consequences. You want to live by the sword, you should expect to die from the sword. But where do we draw the line? Is it okay to gutter stomp the bully? Is it okay to get a group of friends and bash the bully to death? Is it okay to come into school the next morning with a handgun and shoot him?

Who knows. Violence does solve some problems. But should the ends justify the means?

 

[maddawg IAJI]

I don't see anyone being bullied. I just see two bullies fighting each other. Seriously, you think beating up on the person giving you shit makes you better then them? I'm not about to give props to the kid who is likely to get suspended (and possibly convicted of battery charges) mainly because there were better ways to handle a situation like that.

 

[Merkavar]

that bully got owned. i like how the guy was punching so fast that the camera could capture it all.

and to all the people who think violence is bad (most violence is bad) in a school situation i much prefer the violent solution to problems most guys use compared to girls.

if 2 guys have an issue they fight and its generally over with one winning and one losing.

but in my expirence if 2 girls have issue they insult each other for months, turn friends against each other, spread rumors. basically its a long drawn out thing that does more damage. Physical injuries heal, emotional ones take much longer.

 

[Brawndo]

The kid who bullied me in middle school used to call me gay all the time and convinced the whole class that I was indeed a homosexual because he was very popular and I was an awkward nerd.

Then we finished middle school and went on to the same high school, where he came out of the closet after someone discovered him making out with a dude in the boys' bathroom. I went on to stick my penis in various girls.

GUESS THE JOKE'S ON YOU ALEX!!!!!

(not trolling, true story)

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

This was back when I was in high school. I was by no means small, but I was being picked on by a football player. He would push me, and threaten me, but I just tried to ignore him. This went on, but I didn?t report him because he had friends who I knew would never leave me alone. He was also as intelligent as a brick, so in class, when he got two questions right, he stated ?Man, I am on Fire!!!?, to which I responded, ?Well, I think we all knew you were flaming?. Everyone, even the teacher laughed at him. (This is even more funny due to the fact that he was calling people F****s earlier that day, and was known for being homophobic). Later on, he threw a tissue box at my head in class, which I deflected and stated ?Man, you threw a box of TISSUES at me? What are you, an idiot? There is a dictionary right next to that. But *Sarcastic scared tone* not the tissues. Ahhhhh?. He got laughed at so hard then and there that he left me alone. And he never reported me, because he knew that I would report him as well.

In retrospect, I likely should have talked to administration, but this was way funnier. Not only did he lose his courage to bully me (or anyone, as I later found out), but he was made a fool of.

I may not be strong, but I used my caustic wit to take him down, and make him unahappy.

 

[PhiMed]

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So schools just accept violence if someone views it as justified? I don't agree with zero-tolerance rules, those do nothing to fix the problem, but leaving these things alone does even less. All schools have to do is educate their students. Morality can be taught and learned, and if schools placed moral lessons as high on their list of priorities as studying math and literature, society would be a much more peaceful place.

No, I'm saying that if one person is clearly fighting back against an aggressor, the aggressor should be punished and the defender should not be punished at all.

Additionally, penalties for fighting among children should be scaled WAY back. Any system that expels, permanently, an honor student with no previous disciplinary history just because he fought back against a known bully is not just flawed. It's broken.

Also, families should teach morality. I don't want the state determining what is and is not moral and teaching it in an institutionalized form. What you're proposing crosses the line from education to indoctrination.

Sorry, I probably should have been more specific, I kind of use the word "morals" very loosely. What I probably should have said was emotionally educated, which is to say schools should place a much bigger emphasis on teaching students understanding and tolerance.

Even that (while it might be nice) is a little misplaced, at least in America. America is lagging in nearly every educational category imaginable. The deficit in the sciences and in mathematics is especially concerning. Until they address their actual primary function, adding new ones probably isn't advisable.

 

[zombiejoe]

The kid who bullied me in middle school used to call me gay all the time and convinced the whole class that I was indeed a homosexual because he was very popular and I was an awkward nerd.

Then we finished middle school and went on to the same high school, where he came out of the closet after someone discovered him making out with a dude in the boys' bathroom. I went on to stick my penis in various girls.

GUESS THE JOKE'S ON YOU ALEX!!!!!

(not trolling, true story)

Ok, as I make this comment, please do not take it as making fun of homosexuals, but I just want to know.

Did you give him any shit for making up those lies after he came out of the closet?

 

[Brawndo]

The kid who bullied me in middle school used to call me gay all the time and convinced the whole class that I was indeed a homosexual because he was very popular and I was an awkward nerd.

Then we finished middle school and went on to the same high school, where he came out of the closet after someone discovered him making out with a dude in the boys' bathroom. I went on to stick my penis in various girls.

GUESS THE JOKE'S ON YOU ALEX!!!!!

(not trolling, true story)

Ok, as I make this comment, please do not take it as making fun of homosexuals, but I just want to know.

Did you give him any shit for making up those lies after he came out of the closet?

I don't think gay people should be given special treatment - a jerk is a jerk regardless of sexual orientation. So yes, I was quite merciless in my retribution, including one time where I made him cry in front of the whole lunchroom. I didn't feel bad at all at the time for doing so, especially since he had sent me home in tears more than once when I was in middle school.

In retrospect, I was probably too hard on him, and a wise man once said, "he who seeks revenge should dig two graves." But what can I say, kids are mean. That was nearly 8 years ago and I've grown up a lot since then.

 

[Udyrfrykte]

Gotta love the pretentious people who thinks the world would be laughter, song and bubblegum if we all just wish it.

Bullies getting a beatdown is great. But I guess something simple and primal isn't good enough for the pseudo intellectuals on this forum (I mean, holy f***, look at the IQ thread).
As someone already said, you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

As for stories... well, I never gave the bullies an inch to start off with. They tried, failed at doing anything. Gave them a burn for their troubles. Fighting with just words and justice would have destroyed me, surely.

Afaik, all those "bullies" of mine are criminals now.

 

[Dango]

Snip

So schools just accept violence if someone views it as justified? I don't agree with zero-tolerance rules, those do nothing to fix the problem, but leaving these things alone does even less. All schools have to do is educate their students. Morality can be taught and learned, and if schools placed moral lessons as high on their list of priorities as studying math and literature, society would be a much more peaceful place.

No, I'm saying that if one person is clearly fighting back against an aggressor, the aggressor should be punished and the defender should not be punished at all.

Additionally, penalties for fighting among children should be scaled WAY back. Any system that expels, permanently, an honor student with no previous disciplinary history just because he fought back against a known bully is not just flawed. It's broken.

Also, families should teach morality. I don't want the state determining what is and is not moral and teaching it in an institutionalized form. What you're proposing crosses the line from education to indoctrination.

Sorry, I probably should have been more specific, I kind of use the word "morals" very loosely. What I probably should have said was emotionally educated, which is to say schools should place a much bigger emphasis on teaching students understanding and tolerance.

Even that (while it might be nice) is a little misplaced, at least in America. America is lagging in nearly every educational category imaginable. The deficit in the sciences and in mathematics is especially concerning. Until they address their actual primary function, adding new ones probably isn't advisable.

Like I said in a different post, I don't think what I've said is necessarily the right answer to anything, I hope for it to be, but only the future can tell. Although I would like to say that a understanding and tolerant person would most likely to do better in school than a bigoted greedy person.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

To be fair, words CAN work. In middle school, a person was being kinda an ass to me, then knocked me over, and held a chair over me, about to hit me with it. I asked him, ?What the hell is your problem??, and he broke down, crying, because he had been having a rough family life, as his parents were breaking up, his sister was dying, and he was failing at school. I told him I would not report him to the school, provided he went to counseling, which he did. Years later, in high school, I became friends with him.
Not saying words always work, but you may be shocked when and where they do.

 

[Nopenahnuhuh]

I, for one, am happy for E. Honda Kid.

Fight back the bullies!

 

[FarleShadow]

What a load.

I think that 'Reacting makes them do it more' is true.

I also think that, as a young adult with little-to-no experience of the world or tolerance for any stress, telling them that is akin to saying to an alcoholic: 'Stop drinking, you pussy'.

If someone comes forward, like the Zangief kid 'supposedly' did (I don't know if he did or not, hence, supposedly), then laid the other kid out like he did (Not pound him into the ground or murder him), then they BOTH deserve suspension, but 1 day for the bullied kid (To say: Violence in extremis is ok, but you still have to be punished alittle) and 20 days for the bully (to say: If you weren't a shitbag to begin with, you wouldn't have gotten your ass beat).

The way I see it, if you violently respond to a bully, you need to be violent enough to prove your point, yet show enough self-restraint that you don't cripple him/her. Akin to showing:

"Hey, all this time I could have whupped your ass, but I'm a bigger person, consider that next time you try this shit on".

Alot of people will argue that 'Violence is unnecessary', but those people are idiots, most of the time a jerk can be talked down by words and social pressure. Sometimes a jerk needs a punch in the jaw to remind him or her that they are part of the human race and not some immortal jackass.

 

[Memor-X]

i was at my free periods of class at the end of the day and i was at the bus loop waiting for the buses to turn up so i could get on first to avoid the pushing and shoving since Roll's stand was already broken and i had years of work on her so i didn't want the actually harddrive part of her to get crushed

anyway, this kid, much younger than me, probably in year 8 and i was in year 12, came out of his pe class to get a drink with his friends, started to harass me, i tried to ignore it, at one point i got up and approached him to ready to release all my built up rage on him (that includes any rage i had built up over the weak), he picked up a piece of wood that was on the ground, i went back because i had a bad feeling one of his mates would run off with my bag but the kid pushed me to the ground, i got up and charged at him knowing that if he hit me with that wood it would not be justified as he provoked me in attacking him and his self defense is is void from the fact that he wanted me to attack

he dropped the piece of wood and run like hell, over the oval fence and continued running across the oval, i didn't go after him cause it's a big oval, my stuff is still on the ground and the kid showed he was all bark as he could have hurt me with that wood yet a charge at him and he runs off scared.



another time was when i was playing with a friend in Megaman Battle Network 6 multi-player, this kids, year 7 (i was in year 12, dam i hated that year) was tossing food and rubbish at me, i got sick of it and chased them inside the building, i grabbed one of them on his collar, threw him into the ground and just started to pummel into him, he was curled up in a ball so i was only getting his legs but then, well i think i blacked out, the next thing i remember was being held back by the vice principle, student councilor and my homeroom teacher, lucky he was there as he explained to the other 2 teachers that i rarely did that and normally am a nice person,

from what i was told, the place i was pummeling the kid at was at that time, right infront of the 3 teachers, they pulled me off and one of the kid's friend said "who would have thought nerds could fight" and i tried to go at him but the teachers tried to hold me back, that's at least what my homeroom teacher told me, next day, found out i bruised up the legs of the kid i was pummeling, ofcause a few days after that the friend i was playing with stabbed me in the back and betrayed me so then i started to not go outside at lunch and confined myself to where my locker was, there was a couple of girls there who i would talk to before as i get my stuff and they was there as well so i had people to talk to and i was out of the way of all the p*****

 

[infohippie]

...Is that really what you think we need? Really?/quote]
TBH... yes. At the moment, it's mostly the self-centred assholes who rise to positions of power in society. A certain degree of sociopathy is required for anyone who wants to be influential, and this is not usually developed as an adult but starts while still a kid. If more of this kind of people had that mindset beaten out of them while they were still kids, society would be a much better place for everyone.

 

[PhiMed]

Snip

So schools just accept violence if someone views it as justified? I don't agree with zero-tolerance rules, those do nothing to fix the problem, but leaving these things alone does even less. All schools have to do is educate their students. Morality can be taught and learned, and if schools placed moral lessons as high on their list of priorities as studying math and literature, society would be a much more peaceful place.

No, I'm saying that if one person is clearly fighting back against an aggressor, the aggressor should be punished and the defender should not be punished at all.

Additionally, penalties for fighting among children should be scaled WAY back. Any system that expels, permanently, an honor student with no previous disciplinary history just because he fought back against a known bully is not just flawed. It's broken.

Also, families should teach morality. I don't want the state determining what is and is not moral and teaching it in an institutionalized form. What you're proposing crosses the line from education to indoctrination.

Sorry, I probably should have been more specific, I kind of use the word "morals" very loosely. What I probably should have said was emotionally educated, which is to say schools should place a much bigger emphasis on teaching students understanding and tolerance.

Even that (while it might be nice) is a little misplaced, at least in America. America is lagging in nearly every educational category imaginable. The deficit in the sciences and in mathematics is especially concerning. Until they address their actual primary function, adding new ones probably isn't advisable.

Like I said in a different post, I don't think what I've said is necessarily the right answer to anything, I hope for it to be, but only the future can tell. Although I would like to say that a understanding and tolerant person would most likely to do better in school than a bigoted greedy person.

I don't think those two things actually have anything to do with each other. People with Aspergers tend to do very well in school, and they're some of the least emotionally aware people out there.

 

[ecoho]

Actions have consequenes I guess.

I'm not happy with the huge amount of people watching a 2 minute video and then deciding if the violence was necessary. We don't know what went on before this. To be honest, both boys looked like they were being quite aggressive.

This is a really tricky issue. I don't believe schools can let "counter-bullying" aggression go unpunished, because it leaves the gate open. Who decides who is a bully? Who decides how much force is allowed? Who decides to what extent of bullying is required before you are allowed to nearly kill the bully?

-"Johnny, why did you slam this child's face into the concrete and kill him?

-"He was bullying me, sir! It's okay to be aggressive to bullies - because it's the only language they will listen too."

No, that doesn't sit right with me. You can't send the message that violence is okay - especially not in schools. You can't tell students "It's okay to pulverise someone as long as you are bullied".

But, on the other hand there is a part of me that thinks actions have consequences. You want to live by the sword, you should expect to die from the sword. But where do we draw the line? Is it okay to gutter stomp the bully? Is it okay to get a group of friends and bash the bully to death? Is it okay to come into school the next morning with a handgun and shoot him?

Who knows. Violence does solve some problems. But should the ends justify the means?

in my opinion if its 1 on 1 and you can lay them out dont hold back but know when to stop. IF its you vs the bully and his friends dont stop till you do damage cause at that point they are out to do the same. if you have a group of friend intemidate them.

BTW this is kida funny i get my ass kicked in school and throw one punch i get a $250 ticket, but i get jumped outside school and actualy hurt 2 of my attackers and i get congraduated by the cops and the passer bys how the hell does that work?

 

[BoredDragon]

It's easy, just say a word with more than 4 syllables and they will get confused and reply with the following:

"lol wut?"