Another Incident in Portland

[Dreiko]

So apparently the guy who was shot wasn't macing anyone, it was the guy next to him with the mace. The shooter shot the mace can and killed the guy next to the one who held the mace.

I guess soy makes your gun arm tremble more?

 

[Revnak]

So apparently the guy who was shot wasn't macing anyone, it was the guy next to him with the mace. The shooter shot the mace can and killed the guy next to the one who held the mace.

I guess soy makes your gun arm tremble more?

I’ll believe that when it’s not coming from people quoting Joey Gibson

 

[lil devils x]

So apparently the guy who was shot wasn't macing anyone, it was the guy next to him with the mace. The shooter shot the mace can and killed the guy next to the one who held the mace.I guess soy makes your gun arm tremble more?

Does the shooter eat soy or something? WTF? He shot the mace can? If he shot the mace can, maybe his gun arm wasn't trembling, he just didn't abide by the " know your target and what lies beyond" rule and needlessly murdered someone instead of just shooting the can..

 

[Seanchaidh]

I guess soy makes your gun arm tremble more?

The effect of pepper spray would seem like a more parsimonious explanation if an explanation is even required.

 

[Revnak]

Seriously, do not believe literally anything Joey Gibson says. He lied about not being associated with the MAX stabber, he lied about Cider Riot, he lied about coordinating with the cops, he lied about working with Neo-Nazi groups, he is constantly lying.
Edit: Fuck, in the interview he lied about the guy’s political tolerance. There’s photos of the victim covered with Nazi paraphernalia and he’s pretty notorious here. Just being part of Joey’s “let’s fuck up Portland every few months” crew makes it clear he has zero tolerance for the “far left.” Christ, who thought that interview was a good idea?

 

[Iron]

This looks like the DA and PD won't press this issue further because of the identity of the victim and the perpetrator. More specifically, their political affiliations.
Is that how systemic discrimination looks like?

 

[Agema]

As a side note, it seems the victim was identified by his organisation as Jay Bishop, except that other people say his name was Aaron Danielson.

Hmm, I wonder why someone called Aaron Danielson might join a further-right wing group under a different name...

 

[Dreiko]

Seriously, do not believe literally anything Joey Gibson says. He lied about not being associated with the MAX stabber, he lied about Cider Riot, he lied about coordinating with the cops, he lied about working with Neo-Nazi groups, he is constantly lying.
Edit: Fuck, in the interview he lied about the guy’s political tolerance. There’s photos of the victim covered with Nazi paraphernalia and he’s pretty notorious here. Just being part of Joey’s “let’s fuck up Portland every few months” crew makes it clear he has zero tolerance for the “far left.” Christ, who thought that interview was a good idea?

I think what he said can be true while what you're describing is also true. Some people just highly dichotomize their in group and out group, so someone can be the nicest guy ever to his fellow nazis and make you feel like he'd never hurt a fly, and then he can be a monster to anyone he perceives as an outsider. It's prolly why it's not the smartest idea to interview such a guy about this completely uncritically, but the media often does that with the other side too so I guess it's their way of maintaining balance.

Neutrality and objectivity are not the same thing but the media seems to think they are.

As a side note, it seems the victim was identified by his organisation as Jay Bishop, except that other people say his name was Aaron Danielson.

Hmm, I wonder why someone called Aaron Danielson might join a further-right wing group under a different name...

Is that Aaron name somehow significant? Is it some kinda secret nazi code or something?

 

[Buyetyen]

I think what he said can be true while what you're describing is also true.

Objective reality is not something you get to vote on or try to split the difference.

so someone can be the nicest guy ever to his fellow nazis and make you feel like he'd never hurt a fly, and then he can be a monster to anyone he perceives as an outsider.

Jean-Paul Sartre argued very eloquently that if someone is that irrational in one regard, it contaminates all other aspects of their thinking and behavior and thus they cannot be condidered a rational person. If someone's a Nazi, then I really don't give a shit how nice he is to his dog because he's still a fucking Nazi.

 

[Dreiko]

Objective reality is not something you get to vote on or try to split the difference.



Jean-Paul Sartre argued very eloquently that if someone is that irrational in one regard, it contaminates all other aspects of their thinking and behavior and thus they cannot be condidered a rational person. If someone's a Nazi, then I really don't give a shit how nice he is to his dog because he's still a fucking Nazi.

We're not discussing objective reality here. We're discussing the subjective interpretations of that interviewee and their merits.

And yeah YOU don't give a shit but if you ask his dog it'll tell you the guy is a saint, which is what I think is happening here by asking this dude.

 

[Revnak]

This looks like the DA and PD won't press this issue further because of the identity of the victim and the perpetrator. More specifically, their political affiliations.
Is that how systemic discrimination looks like?

I’m pretty sure they’re still looking into the case, though if they do have video of the shooter it’s odd to not do an arrest and settle the self-defense or whatever elements in court. Then again, it’s only been two days.

 

[Buyetyen]

We're not discussing objective reality here. We're discussing the subjective interpretations of that interviewee and their merits.

And yeah YOU don't give a shit but if you ask his dog it'll tell you the guy is a saint, which is what I think is happening here by asking this dude.

Will his dog's testimony as a character witness do anything to change the fact that he's a fucking Nazi?

 

[Dreiko]

Will his dog's testimony as a character witness do anything to change the fact that he's a fucking Nazi?

If presented uncritically, it will sway some of the public perception of the guy and make his killer less popular.

 

[Buyetyen]

If presented uncritically, it will sway some of the public perception of the guy and make his killer less popular.

Which is why I want us all to be on the same anti-fascist page regarding people who are Nazis. A handful of traits commonly associated with half-way decent human beings does not balance the ledger when someone also thinks that Hilter was right.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Source on that number?

David Dorn
Dave Patrick Underwood - Drive by shooting happened and he was caught in it
As yet un-named Teen 16 years old shot in Chaz
Chris Beaty
Dorian Murrell
Italia Marie Kelly
Javar Harrell
Cicero, Illinois 2 mentioned by the Spokesman Ray Hanania who didn't give more details
Jose Gutierrez
Victor Cazares Jr.
Marvin Francois
Philadelphia 24 year old Male self inflicted injuries from an explosive device
Aaron J Danielson
Unknown body found in burned ruins of Minneapolis pawn shop
Detroit 21 year old male
19 year old male killed in Chaz
A 27-year-old photographer Jefferson Square Park in downtown Louisville, Kentucky
Summer Taylor hit by black driver during a protest on the interstate
Secoriea Turner shot when the vehicle she was in tried to go round a makeshift barricade
Jessica Doty Whitaker

That's 21

There's 9 or so more if you include looters who have been shot or other incidents where it's ambiguous

Oh and also 1 horse.

Sources used:

Violence and controversies during the George Floyd protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Deadly unrest: Here are the people who have died amid George Floyd protests across US

Among those killed as protests over the death of George Floyd have roiled American cities in the past week are a retired police captain, a beloved owner of a barbecue restaurant, and a former star football player known as “Mr. Indianapolis."

www.fox6now.com

Nearly a dozen deaths tied to continuing unrest in US

The deaths have at times been overshadowed by the shocking images of heavy-handed police tactics, vandalism and arson.

www.aljazeera.com

So I stand corrected I've got to 21 so far this year not including people killed while looting or people killed by police or alleged agitators attacking the protest or not directly tied to actions related to the protests or riots.

So... you're placing all the illegal stuff outside of the protest in the same category as the protesters?

I used Rioter for a reason I know the media likes to use the interchangeably but I think the moment people are being killed it stops being a protest as such.

According to US intelligence, it is right wing extremists that are killing far more people and are far more dangerous THAN ANY OTHER GROUP. Are you trying to tell me that you have information they don't?

I'm saying information evolves based on threat perception and 21 dead (even if a least 1 was self inflicted) should be cause for concern. Expect if things continue as they have been or escalating to see things change in this regard.

 

[Trunkage]

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I used Rioter for a reason I know the media likes to use the interchangeably but I think the moment people are being killed it stops being a protest as such..

How many of these 31 deaths was caused at the riots, because I thought a bunch were killed well away from protests?

 

[Agema]

Is that Aaron name somehow significant? Is it some kinda secret nazi code or something?

Let me give you a hint.

'Jews will not replace us': Vice film lays bare horror of neo-Nazis in America

A Vice News film crew embedded with a far-right speaker in Charlottesville last weekend seeks to highlight the motivations of white supremacists

www.theguardian.com

 

[Houseman]

Let me give you a hint.

'Jews will not replace us': Vice film lays bare horror of neo-Nazis in America

A Vice News film crew embedded with a far-right speaker in Charlottesville last weekend seeks to highlight the motivations of white supremacists

www.theguardian.com

Is "Danielson" a Jewish last name?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

How many of these 31 deaths was caused at the riots, because I thought a bunch were killed well away from protests?

Depends on what you deem a riot and what a protest as according to some the peaceful protesters somehow ended up getting blown up by a peaceful explosive they peacefully placed with peaceful intent by an ATM machine in one of the cases.

 

[Houseman]

Depends on what you deem a riot and what a protest as according to some the peaceful protesters somehow ended up getting blown up by a peaceful explosive they peacefully placed with peaceful intent by an ATM machine in one of the cases.