Another way to look at censorship

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Twilight_guy

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Actually your idea is totally corrupt because you seeking to control the medium of video games through censorship (indirectly of course). Still, I support keeping violent games out of the hands of minors and putting rules in place to actually give ESRB ratings dome teeth. Why even have an ESRB if all they can do is make ratings and then shake there fist when they're ignored? On top of that, even if games don't cause violence I still think kids shouldn't be playing whatever the hell they want.
 

Arcanite Ripper

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So...you're saying the freedom of gore allowance has been plaguing developer's minds to not focus on new and creative narritives and gameplay styles all this time?

"Damnit Earl, I told you NO BLOOD for the next Dead Rising!!"

OT: Just to understand your post, the reason these types of games/movies/whatever's can feature the extensive gore is to add-on to the game's central interest; Some would agree that can make the game (I'll just stick with game, I suppose) more immersive or more fun to play with.

While I do agree Video Games are essentially "toys" and we do need a more recent variety of lighter-tone, a full out censorship may be a square kick-in-the-nuts to the people who DO enjoy it. If it's not your thing personally, you don't have to play the game it's featured in. Then, you have little reason to complain on what it is.
 

hyperhammy

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ciortas1 said:
hyperhammy said:
ciortas1 said:
hyperhammy said:
Sorry, sorry, I meant promote censorship, not justify it.

And what is this supposed to mean?
Go on youtube and look for: "saints row 2 censored german"
Germany has some of the dumbest censorship ever made.
I still don't get what you want to say by this. If I move to a country that has ludicrously stupid censorship, I'll agree with your idea to censor blood and gore?
oh, okay. I was saying that I would never encourage censorship, because I'm also subjected to it.
 
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Hubilub said:
... What?

How are the generic brown military shooters extremely gory? Or even slightly gory? And how would a ban of extreme gore change anything?

"Alright fellas, we're not allowed to have extreme gore anymore."

"Should we change everything about the game development business then!?"

"What? No you dumbass, we just take the gore out of our games."

And this theory of yours that restrictions make something better is what I call bullocks. Restrictions make games worse. Publisher's forcing developers to follow a narrow bath in game development, not letting them think outside the box, not letting them bring in unsafe ideas.
Some restrictions are good. Hardware restrictions for one. That is one of the few thing that actually forces developers to be creative.
 

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Naheal said:
Oh, for... well, you deserve this.

Wow... thanks.
I have an idea, even if an unpopular one, and now I'm either a troll or a really dumb ************.
 

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Hubilub said:
And this theory of yours that restrictions make something better is what I call bullocks. Restrictions make games worse.
Max Payne is holding a big middle finger in your face and a big-ass Jackhammer in the other hand.
They settled for the graphic novel style because of budget constraints, and the result was completely awesome and very memorable.
Edit: Oh, I didn't add anything to the discussion because the idea presented here seems... flawed to me.
Aw, fuck it, I'm gonna say it outright: that's completely fucking stupid and pointless.
I think I'll throw in an "in my opinion" here because I wouldn't like to get suspended.
 

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GeneticallyModifiedDucks said:
Hubilub said:
... What?

How are the generic brown military shooters extremely gory? Or even slightly gory? And how would a ban of extreme gore change anything?

"Alright fellas, we're not allowed to have extreme gore anymore."

"Should we change everything about the game development business then!?"

"What? No you dumbass, we just take the gore out of our games."

And this theory of yours that restrictions make something better is what I call bullocks. Restrictions make games worse. Publisher's forcing developers to follow a narrow bath in game development, not letting them think outside the box, not letting them bring in unsafe ideas.
Some restrictions are good. Hardware restrictions for one. That is one of the few thing that actually forces developers to be creative.
This is what I meant.
 

Irony's Acolyte

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I can see where you going with this. Force developers of games to think in new and innovative ways rather than rely on old and tried-true tactics. I don't think censorship is the right way to go though. It will just suppress free and innovative thought that isn't "right". It would probably end up along the lines of "Kill them all, God will find his own."

I don't really have an idea of how to properly solve the stagnation of creativity in games, but I do respect you for thinking originally and looking at ways that may not have been considered before.
 

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The word "censorship" is bad by itself. Just because something offends you, doesn't mean it's the other guy's fault.
 

similar.squirrel

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What, like the 'clean' version of Left 4 Dead 2 that Australia got? It's a nice idea, but publishers know their market, and as long as that market wants washed-out jingoistic shooters, they will keep making washed-out jingoistic shooters. With confetti or something instead of blood. Which would then get illegally patched.

Nice idea, though. I'm not putting the concept down, it's just not feasible [sadly].
 

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Hubilub said:
... What?

How are the generic brown military shooters extremely gory? Or even slightly gory? And how would a ban of extreme gore change anything?

"Alright fellas, we're not allowed to have extreme gore anymore."

"Should we change everything about the game development business then!?"

"What? No you dumbass, we just take the gore out of our games."

And this theory of yours that restrictions make something better is what I call bullocks. Restrictions make games worse. Publisher's forcing developers to follow a narrow bath in game development, not letting them think outside the box, not letting them bring in unsafe ideas.
You forgot tho say [/thread]
Anyway. He's right. Restriction just makes it harder to develop ideas because you have a box to think in. You cannot think out of it because of restrictions, which makes all games start looking the same. Fast.
Plus, I see NO connection with gore and good games. Games that think gore makes the game good tend to fail... like the console versions of Soldier of Fortune. All in all, I think the OP is wrong. Wrong as wrong can be.
 

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While I'm not deontologically-minded enough to say "No censorship bad no matter what!", wouldn't it be better to just not buy games that don't innovate and instead buy games that do innovate? In the end, the crushing wave of brown military shooters is our fault and if we truly were sick of them this problem would have already ended.
 

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hyperhammy said:
Well, wouldn't a ban on extreme gore force developers to think in different directions
Perhaps, but you know what would be a better way to entice game developers to make more innovative games, without violating freedom of speech rights? Don't buy shitty, repetitive war games. All they are doing is giving us what we want, and based on what we buy, we want boring, brown games where we shoot people a lot.
 

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hyperhammy said:
I was just listening to some of Moviebob's older work on youtube, and I thought about something. We're all sick of all these brown military shooters right? Well, wouldn't a ban on extreme gore force developers to think in different directions, instead of better, bloodier, goorier. In my opinion games are toys (can be art) but most of all, they should be FUN! Opinions? Would a ban make developers think in new directions? In my opinion, any becomes better when you put it under restrictions.
I'll agree that games must be made to be FUN first and foremost, but a ban on some element/genre would just create an uproar or worse, niche games noone likes. There's a reason games like Modern Warfare and Halo sell so well. It's what people find fun! I believe freedom of choice is the best option, with the consumer the last judge as to the quality of the content a developer delivers.
 

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hyperhammy said:
GeneticallyModifiedDucks said:
Hubilub said:
... What?

How are the generic brown military shooters extremely gory? Or even slightly gory? And how would a ban of extreme gore change anything?

"Alright fellas, we're not allowed to have extreme gore anymore."

"Should we change everything about the game development business then!?"

"What? No you dumbass, we just take the gore out of our games."

And this theory of yours that restrictions make something better is what I call bullocks. Restrictions make games worse. Publisher's forcing developers to follow a narrow bath in game development, not letting them think outside the box, not letting them bring in unsafe ideas.
Some restrictions are good. Hardware restrictions for one. That is one of the few thing that actually forces developers to be creative.
This is what I meant.
...you're hurting my head, please stop.
 

gibboss28

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GeneticallyModifiedDucks said:
Hubilub said:
... What?

How are the generic brown military shooters extremely gory? Or even slightly gory? And how would a ban of extreme gore change anything?

"Alright fellas, we're not allowed to have extreme gore anymore."

"Should we change everything about the game development business then!?"

"What? No you dumbass, we just take the gore out of our games."

And this theory of yours that restrictions make something better is what I call bullocks. Restrictions make games worse. Publisher's forcing developers to follow a narrow bath in game development, not letting them think outside the box, not letting them bring in unsafe ideas.
Some restrictions are good. Hardware restrictions for one. That is one of the few thing that actually forces developers to be creative.
But that restriction isn't out of censorship, its out of "if we want this to be released on a console we have to meet their specifications because otherwise it won't run, and if its on PC we need it to get to as many people as possible so the lower, the better"
 

capin Rob

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MW2 and other bad shoooters have very little gore. If you shoot someone, only a little blood comes out.

If your idea happened games like Assassinss creed 2, and Left 4 dead, would get removed before crap Shooters