Anti-Microsoft Caution.

[lapan]

I'm pretty sure it's related to your EA Online account. I hear EA don't keep account details very secure and people get hacked into and all their Microsoft Points spent on the Ultimate Team mode in Fifa 12. If you report it to Microsoft, you should get your points back after a short investigation on their part. Just be thankful you didn't have a credit card assigned to your account or they would have taken a lot more than a few Microsoft Points!

Just a quick bit of info for you all. You are better off having a Credit card attached to any on-line payment kinda thing. This is because if something goes wrong you are covered by a fairly robust anti-fraud system/indemnity guaranty, i can't quite recall the name but i think it relates to the consumer credit act. So you may have to do a bit of phoning round the bank but you will most likely get all your money back.

However Debit cards are not covered by this so you will have a lot harder of a time getting any money back, more that likely though you will just be screwed and not get anything back.


***Disclaimer***

Well that's how it works in the UK anyway, I'm not sure about the rest of the world.

Just use microsoft point cards, that's the safest option of all and you dont have to deal with automatical renewals and the difficulty of gettign rid off them

Yeah that's true, it is the best way.

I wasn't just talking about Live though, i was talking about any on-line payment system i.e. steam, pay-pall, PSN, etc...

Most of them have similar cards to Microsoft Live.

 

[MercurySteam]

I'm not whining, just to nip that in the bud. I'm telling the Escapist that my profile has been compromised, at no fault of my own. This means the negligence lies with them, and coupled with Sony's horrendous breach, I will never again take business to either company, and I encourage you to do the same.

Sounds like you had a bad experience and now you're telling everyone about it. I haven't been hacked, so for the moment I'm going to have to pass on your crusade against MS and Sony. Sorry to hear about your troubles but it's a fact of live that stuff gets hacked. People also know that an unused account being hacked is common as there is a reduced chance of MS finding out and going after them. Ring MS and speak to them about it, as they will be willing to help you out while the person who hacked your account won't.

So it's not your fault, or Microsoft's fault. It's the hacker's fault. Blame where it's due.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Although I still have no idea why Fifa's involved. Anyone got any thoughts?

They hack into someone's account every so often and use their account to buy points for FIFA's Ultimate Team mode. Then they buy players and sell them to their own accounts cheap so they have all the players they need for almost no in game points spent. At least that's what I assume, I see no other reason to hack somebody else's Xbox and play FIFA 12.

Then again, they may just really like FIFA and have no money for their own Xbox live.

 

[redisforever]

FIFA 12 has an exploit that allows people to do this, I think. This hasn't happened to me, but really, I've never used a credit card on this stuff, and I've had Xbox Live only from the original Xbox, and having recently got a PS3, it seems I'm safe for now, having barely used it, also because I've never used a credit card on it.

 

[soes757]

Alright, I'm very upset with Microsoft. I have never opted-in to their God-damned Cloud bullshit on my Xbox, nor have I ever signed into Xbox Live on any Xbox other than my own, yet someone has still compromised my profile, stolen 20 dollars worth of Points, and, for some reason, played Fifa 12 on my profile.

Anyone inclined to do so, do not buy either Sony or Microsoft Video Game systems, they clearly are incapable of protecting your information.

I'm not whining, just to nip that in the bud. I'm telling the Escapist that my profile has been compromised, at no fault of my own. This means the negligence lies with them, and coupled with Sony's horrendous breach, I will never again take business to either company, and I encourage you to do the same.

HA! That's what you get for buying a 360, should have gone with Sony, they've never bee...oh, wait.
Maybe buy a PC, Steam will never be hacked, that's also a lie.
Hm....Seems as if anything connected to the internet will be hacked.

 

[Rheinmetall]

You've got a point. No doubt about it. Though I can't promise that I will never play a PS3, or Xbox game again, because I'm a gamer and these two companies are still behind some very good games that I want to play, but surely I agree that we can't sit and do nothing while we are treated like fools. Myself I have excluded since a long time any EA, or Square Enix game from my gaming plans, for my own reasons.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Alright, I'm very upset with Microsoft. I have never opted-in to their God-damned Cloud bullshit on my Xbox, nor have I ever signed into Xbox Live on any Xbox other than my own, yet someone has still compromised my profile, stolen 20 dollars worth of Points, and, for some reason, played Fifa 12 on my profile.

Anyone inclined to do so, do not buy either Sony or Microsoft Video Game systems, they clearly are incapable of protecting your information.

I'm not whining, just to nip that in the bud. I'm telling the Escapist that my profile has been compromised, at no fault of my own. This means the negligence lies with them, and coupled with Sony's horrendous breach, I will never again take business to either company, and I encourage you to do the same.

Well you posted this to an online forum so don't hate me for saying this but, you shouldn't quit something so easily.

I've been playing games for 19 years and I've never had a problem that wasn't easily fixed (within this context of course). What I'm trying to say is, even if you get hacked thats no reason to get all scared and jump ship. There's a lot of fun games on Xbox and you shouldn't veto an entire host of entertainment available to you, because they aren't infallible or perfectly able to protect your content. If you just gave them a ring I'm sure they would recover your stolen money and help you safeguard your account.

I've been a member of Xbox live for 8 years and never been hacked. That's good evidence that they are NOT incapable of protecting your information. Nothing is impervious to hacking or data theft. NOTHING.

The only things I've had hacked, were 1) my paypal account, years ago, by someone from russia. I didn't have any money in it at the time and I haven't used the service since, because they ban hacked accounts immediately and irrefutably. The other? My World of Warcraft account was hacked when it was inactive. Which actually gave me 3 months of free time once their customer service had recovered my account! What am I trying to say? You got a pole up your bum and you shouldn't place so much blame on the company that failed to 'protect' you. Attacks happen. Malicious people exist. You can't walk through this life without it happening to you at some point.... no point in buckling up and curling into a ball. Get your account and stolen stuff back and don't be afraid.

If they cannot protect someone with extremely low risk factors, then either they're negligent, or I'm a statistical anomaly.

Also, my credit card is compromised, there are other avenues to play games, and Microsoft hasn't exactly shown they're in it for anything other than a profit. I don't owe them anything, and they haven't provided what they owed me.

I'm not whining, just to nip that in the bud. I'm telling the Escapist that my profile has been compromised, at no fault of my own. This means the negligence lies with them, and coupled with Sony's horrendous breach, I will never again take business to either company, and I encourage you to do the same.

Sounds like you had a bad experience and now you're telling everyone about it. I haven't been hacked, so for the moment I'm going to have to pass on your crusade against MS and Sony. Sorry to hear about your troubles but it's a fact of live that stuff gets hacked. People also know that an unused account being hacked is common as there is a reduced chance of MS finding out and going after them. Ring MS and speak to them about it, as they will be willing to help you out while the person who hacked your account won't.

So it's not your fault, or Microsoft's fault. It's the hacker's fault. Blame where it's due.

Where does blame lie, with the dog for getting mud on the floor, or the contractor who made the door frame big enough for the dog to force the door open.



And, for the record, I've never even played a Fifa game, much less tried to buy currency for one.

 

[Sparrow]

I don't see why you're entirely blaming Microsoft, seems like the guy who actually stole your stuff should be more to blame.

Spoiler

Although I still have no idea why Fifa's involved. Anyone got any thoughts?

They have a bullshit system in place that allows you to buy points to get the top players. You get them without the points, but it takes a hell of a lot of grinding so folks tend to just buy them.

 

[Yopaz]

I'm pretty sure it's related to your EA Online account. I hear EA don't keep account details very secure and people get hacked into and all their Microsoft Points spent on the Ultimate Team mode in Fifa 12. If you report it to Microsoft, you should get your points back after a short investigation on their part. Just be thankful you didn't have a credit card assigned to your account or they would have taken a lot more than a few Microsoft Points!

Just a quick bit of info for you all. You are better off having a Credit card attached to any on-line payment kinda thing. This is because if something goes wrong you are covered by a fairly robust anti-fraud system/indemnity guaranty, i can't quite recall the name but i think it relates to the consumer credit act. So you may have to do a bit of phoning round the bank but you will most likely get all your money back.

However Debit cards are not covered by this so you will have a lot harder of a time getting any money back, more that likely though you will just be screwed and not get anything back.


***Disclaimer***

Well that's how it works in the UK anyway, I'm not sure about the rest of the world.

Just use microsoft point cards, that's the safest option of all and you dont have to deal with automatical renewals and the difficulty of gettign rid off them

Yeah that's true, it is the best way.

I wasn't just talking about Live though, i was talking about any on-line payment system i.e. steam, pay-pall, PSN, etc...

Most of them have similar cards to Microsoft Live.

But a credit card is universal. Any online purchases are covered by a credit card company. It's also a lot more convenient to use a credit card than actively seek cards for several different services. Also I have never seen anything like that for either Steam or PayPal.

 

[lapan]

I'm pretty sure it's related to your EA Online account. I hear EA don't keep account details very secure and people get hacked into and all their Microsoft Points spent on the Ultimate Team mode in Fifa 12. If you report it to Microsoft, you should get your points back after a short investigation on their part. Just be thankful you didn't have a credit card assigned to your account or they would have taken a lot more than a few Microsoft Points!

Just a quick bit of info for you all. You are better off having a Credit card attached to any on-line payment kinda thing. This is because if something goes wrong you are covered by a fairly robust anti-fraud system/indemnity guaranty, i can't quite recall the name but i think it relates to the consumer credit act. So you may have to do a bit of phoning round the bank but you will most likely get all your money back.

However Debit cards are not covered by this so you will have a lot harder of a time getting any money back, more that likely though you will just be screwed and not get anything back.


***Disclaimer***

Well that's how it works in the UK anyway, I'm not sure about the rest of the world.

Just use microsoft point cards, that's the safest option of all and you dont have to deal with automatical renewals and the difficulty of gettign rid off them

Yeah that's true, it is the best way.

I wasn't just talking about Live though, i was talking about any on-line payment system i.e. steam, pay-pall, PSN, etc...

Most of them have similar cards to Microsoft Live.

But a credit card is universal. Any online purchases are covered by a credit card company. It's also a lot more convenient to use a credit card than actively seek cards for several different services. Also I have never seen anything like that for either Steam or PayPal.

It's universal, but at the same time you take more risk than with such point cards. Paypal doesn'T have them, but most gaming online services do. Steam offers you the possibility to buy most games in retail.

And especially in europe credit cards are not as commonly used as in america.

 

[Yopaz]

I'm pretty sure it's related to your EA Online account. I hear EA don't keep account details very secure and people get hacked into and all their Microsoft Points spent on the Ultimate Team mode in Fifa 12. If you report it to Microsoft, you should get your points back after a short investigation on their part. Just be thankful you didn't have a credit card assigned to your account or they would have taken a lot more than a few Microsoft Points!

Just a quick bit of info for you all. You are better off having a Credit card attached to any on-line payment kinda thing. This is because if something goes wrong you are covered by a fairly robust anti-fraud system/indemnity guaranty, i can't quite recall the name but i think it relates to the consumer credit act. So you may have to do a bit of phoning round the bank but you will most likely get all your money back.

However Debit cards are not covered by this so you will have a lot harder of a time getting any money back, more that likely though you will just be screwed and not get anything back.


***Disclaimer***

Well that's how it works in the UK anyway, I'm not sure about the rest of the world.

Just use microsoft point cards, that's the safest option of all and you dont have to deal with automatical renewals and the difficulty of gettign rid off them

Yeah that's true, it is the best way.

I wasn't just talking about Live though, i was talking about any on-line payment system i.e. steam, pay-pall, PSN, etc...

Most of them have similar cards to Microsoft Live.

But a credit card is universal. Any online purchases are covered by a credit card company. It's also a lot more convenient to use a credit card than actively seek cards for several different services. Also I have never seen anything like that for either Steam or PayPal.

It's universal, but at the same time you take more risk than with such point cards. Paypal doesn'T have them, but most gaming online services do. Steam offers you the possibility to buy most games in retail.

And especially in europe credit cards are not as commonly used as in america.

'

And buying in retail removes the function we want with Steam also you might not know this, but there are lots of games you can't get physical copies of. Also don't lecture me on Europe. I am European and I have lived my whole life in Europe. Credit cards are universal and offers safety wherever you use them. Let's say your Amazon account got hacked (they remove all data when a new IP is used or a new address is added so it's already pretty safe) if you used a credit card there all will be solved with ease. You get robbed while going out and someone steals your credit card and the credit card company helps out. Credit cards offer you convenience and safety. Point cards offer only safety. Especially since you have to buy fixed amounts which is rather inconvenient.

Edit: you are also unable to buy any DLC for any games on Steam without using some kind of payment system. I don't think you can get DLC retail...

 

[RatRace123]

I've heard that account phishing and hacking have been related to online play. Some jag-offs decide to find a random person during an online match and then hack their account and then spend large amounts of points on Fifa crap.

I'm not sure I completely believe that, but that's what I heard anyway. If you've played a online game recently, maybe it's related.

 

[ZeroMachine]

Same (EDIT: EXACT) thing happened to me.

They temporarily shut down my account, mounted an investigation, gave me a code for a month of XBL Gold on a temporary account, told me my account would be down for a month, and then got back to me 15 days later with yet another free month, ALL of my points refunded, and an all around good attitude with me and the whole situation.

So instead of bitching about it, why don't you call them and do something about it?

 

[lapan]

I'm pretty sure it's related to your EA Online account. I hear EA don't keep account details very secure and people get hacked into and all their Microsoft Points spent on the Ultimate Team mode in Fifa 12. If you report it to Microsoft, you should get your points back after a short investigation on their part. Just be thankful you didn't have a credit card assigned to your account or they would have taken a lot more than a few Microsoft Points!

Just a quick bit of info for you all. You are better off having a Credit card attached to any on-line payment kinda thing. This is because if something goes wrong you are covered by a fairly robust anti-fraud system/indemnity guaranty, i can't quite recall the name but i think it relates to the consumer credit act. So you may have to do a bit of phoning round the bank but you will most likely get all your money back.

However Debit cards are not covered by this so you will have a lot harder of a time getting any money back, more that likely though you will just be screwed and not get anything back.


***Disclaimer***

Well that's how it works in the UK anyway, I'm not sure about the rest of the world.

Just use microsoft point cards, that's the safest option of all and you dont have to deal with automatical renewals and the difficulty of gettign rid off them

Yeah that's true, it is the best way.

I wasn't just talking about Live though, i was talking about any on-line payment system i.e. steam, pay-pall, PSN, etc...

Most of them have similar cards to Microsoft Live.

But a credit card is universal. Any online purchases are covered by a credit card company. It's also a lot more convenient to use a credit card than actively seek cards for several different services. Also I have never seen anything like that for either Steam or PayPal.

It's universal, but at the same time you take more risk than with such point cards. Paypal doesn'T have them, but most gaming online services do. Steam offers you the possibility to buy most games in retail.

And especially in europe credit cards are not as commonly used as in america.

'

And buying in retail removes the function we want with Steam also you might not know this, but there are lots of games you can't get physical copies of. Also don't lecture me on Europe. I am European and I have lived my whole life in Europe. Credit cards are universal and offers safety wherever you use them. Let's say your Amazon account got hacked (they remove all data when a new IP is used or a new address is added so it's already pretty safe) if you used a credit card there all will be solved with ease. You get robbed while going out and someone steals your credit card and the credit card company helps out. Credit cards offer you convenience and safety. Point cards offer only safety. Especially since you have to buy fixed amounts which is rather inconvenient.

I know that not all steam games are in retail, thats why i wrote "most games" not "every game". And buying any steam game in retail doesnt remove any function as they are all still linked to steam, must be activated over it and run over it. There are only a few exceptions. I never denied a credit card can be very convinient to use.

 

[Otaku World Order]

In case anyone is interested, there's a blog about this called Hacked on X-Box [http://hackedonxbox.tumblr.com/] by a woman named Susan Taylor who got hacked for more then $300 in MS points.

Microsoft has since refunded her, largely due to the PR nightmare the blog was causing, but she's interested in hearing from other victims to help them out too.

 

[Yopaz]

I'm pretty sure it's related to your EA Online account. I hear EA don't keep account details very secure and people get hacked into and all their Microsoft Points spent on the Ultimate Team mode in Fifa 12. If you report it to Microsoft, you should get your points back after a short investigation on their part. Just be thankful you didn't have a credit card assigned to your account or they would have taken a lot more than a few Microsoft Points!

Just a quick bit of info for you all. You are better off having a Credit card attached to any on-line payment kinda thing. This is because if something goes wrong you are covered by a fairly robust anti-fraud system/indemnity guaranty, i can't quite recall the name but i think it relates to the consumer credit act. So you may have to do a bit of phoning round the bank but you will most likely get all your money back.

However Debit cards are not covered by this so you will have a lot harder of a time getting any money back, more that likely though you will just be screwed and not get anything back.


***Disclaimer***

Well that's how it works in the UK anyway, I'm not sure about the rest of the world.

Just use microsoft point cards, that's the safest option of all and you dont have to deal with automatical renewals and the difficulty of gettign rid off them

Yeah that's true, it is the best way.

I wasn't just talking about Live though, i was talking about any on-line payment system i.e. steam, pay-pall, PSN, etc...

Most of them have similar cards to Microsoft Live.

But a credit card is universal. Any online purchases are covered by a credit card company. It's also a lot more convenient to use a credit card than actively seek cards for several different services. Also I have never seen anything like that for either Steam or PayPal.

It's universal, but at the same time you take more risk than with such point cards. Paypal doesn'T have them, but most gaming online services do. Steam offers you the possibility to buy most games in retail.

And especially in europe credit cards are not as commonly used as in america.

'

And buying in retail removes the function we want with Steam also you might not know this, but there are lots of games you can't get physical copies of. Also don't lecture me on Europe. I am European and I have lived my whole life in Europe. Credit cards are universal and offers safety wherever you use them. Let's say your Amazon account got hacked (they remove all data when a new IP is used or a new address is added so it's already pretty safe) if you used a credit card there all will be solved with ease. You get robbed while going out and someone steals your credit card and the credit card company helps out. Credit cards offer you convenience and safety. Point cards offer only safety. Especially since you have to buy fixed amounts which is rather inconvenient.

I know that not all steam games are in retail, thats why i wrote "most games" not "every game". And buying any steam game in retail doesnt remove any function as they are all still linked to steam, must be activated over it and run over it. There are only a few exceptions. I never denied a credit card can be very convinient to use.

The function we want with Steam is that it's digital. You wont have to go anywhere in order to buy a game. You get it the second it is released. So you're right. Buying retail doesn't remove any of the functions we want with Steam. It just removes the purpose of Steam. No big deal. Oh wait...
Edit: also there's the part about DLC. You can't get that retail I think.

 

[Zen Toombs]

and, for some reason, played Fifa 12 on my profile.

This part made my day.

OT: Wow, that really sucks. I do have a question though: what are your plans for continuing gaming without Sony or (especially) Microsoft? Even ignoring consoles Microsoft is kindof a big deal, or so I've heard.

 

[lapan]

The function we want with Steam is that it's digital. You wont have to go anywhere in order to buy a game. You get it the second it is released. So you're right. Buying retail doesn't remove any of the functions we want with Steam. It just removes the purpose of Steam. No big deal. Oh wait...
Edit: also there's the part about DLC. You can't get that retail I think.

That may be what you want from steam, but there are others that still cling to physical copies and see Steam as nothing more as a necessity or dont have easy access to any of the easy online payment options because they are to young for creditcards or whatever.

We are getting fairly offtopic here and i only wanted to point out that the microsoft point cards are an additional alternative anyways.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Anyone inclined to do so, do not buy either Sony or Microsoft Video Game systems, they clearly are incapable of protecting your information.

I'm not whining, just to nip that in the bud. I'm telling the Escapist that my profile has been compromised, at no fault of my own. This means the negligence lies with them, and coupled with Sony's horrendous breach, I will never again take business to either company, and I encourage you to do the same.

Here's my question - why would you put your information into your X-Box if you didn't plan to use X-Box live?

Also, were your points purchased by pre-paid card? If pre-paid card, then this is exactly the reason why to use those and not your credit card. This could have been a lot worse.