Anti-Religious Sentiment in Video Games (have you noticed?)

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Kurokami

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Woodsey said:
I think it does (need to be something far-fetched) though, if not everything's a god and nothing's a god in relation to the perception of others.

I see your point, but I just think that to be a god there must be some sort of divine natural ability in place. If you say that technology raises them to the levels of gods, then surely anyone who can use that technology is a god if they can get their hands on it?
I guess I see 'god' as more of a description or state of power rather than anything else. If you look at other mythologies, gods were stripped of their powers, some have even died. If their powers could be stripped then what makes that power any different from technology, other than the fact that they were born with it? Mortals have also transcended to become gods so that hopefully negates that objection.

I know I've just made a relatively huge leap from the omnipotent and omniscient to mythology which follows more 'relatable' and human like gods, but since they still use the same term I'm hoping it helps back up my point a bit here.
 

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I'm surprised you didn't put Assassin's Creed on you list. While the other examples at least try and hide it a bit, AC has it front and centre. I mean just look at that last mission of ACII, haha!

I see no problem with it, just like I'd see no problem with games showing sentiments against anything else. People need to learn to question things and whatever medium puts doubt in their minds about the status quo (be it games, movies, books etc) can only be a good thing.
 

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Halo isn't parodying or mocking christianity as far as I know. You can substitute things but Im pretty sure those are coincidences.

As for Unitology from Dead Space, that is more of a parody of scientology and its done well at that to make it seem interesting rather than some mindless cult.

Im a catholic and I could care less about mocked religions. If people can't take a joke than they have more problems than any one out there.
 

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TBH, I still wonder how the first two Breath of Fire games came out when both are pretty anti-religious...
 

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Yep, in Fallout 1 you have the Children of the Cathedral. Which is enough of a jab at Catholicism in the name itself, but their base is also a Cathedral.

And then you blow it up
 

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tellmeimaninja said:
I am against organized religion, so I can see the message and get a warm fuzzy feeling where my soul should be.
Same here!

Flying-Emu said:
Sorry, no.
Halo has NOT sold more copies than the Bible, man...
From Wiki
Wikipedia said:
The Bible is the best-selling book in history with approximate sales estimates ranging from 2.5 billion to 6 billion.
Halo's sold MAYBE 35 million copies.
From Wikipedia..

Hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɜrbəli/,[1] from ancient Greek ὑπερβολή 'exaggeration') is a rhetorical device in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.


Jewrean said:
Why does everything all of a sudden revolve around Christianity? Certainly Muslims or other religions can get pissed off too? To be frank (Hi Frank!), all religious fanatics that try to make things harder for others (except our cocks), that try and look down upon the world in a elitist manner can go eat a carrot. I believe in God I guess... to an extent. But I HATE organized religion. It is the scourge of humanity along with addictions, violence, and greed.
Taking our video games away just because they piss off a minority is just another awful politically correct evil that plagues us all.
I don't think other religions should be off the hook. My mind defaults to Christianity because I live in the Bible belt of southeastern America, and have been somewhat burned by religious fundamentalism here.

I don't think my point was so much that there is some sort of horrible conspiracy in the video game industry, just that it baffles me why religious extremists condemn games for their violence and completely overlook all the pooing on religion in games. Have they just not played any popular video games? Certainly that can't be it. Do they just see each religious metaphor as being about any religion that isn't theirs? Certainly they can't be that stupid! I see signs all over my quite little southern town about how "the gays," or Spiderman comics, or calling our December parade a "holiday parade" rather than a "Christmas Parade" is the devil incarnate and it's corrupting their children. They can see conspiracy in everything, so why no "Assassin's Creed is leading people towards darkness!" posters? Are video games just not taken that seriously? They're just as influential towards our youth as cinema these days...
 

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This happens because game developers are intelligent people..and intelligent people know that there's no God. A beastly correlation.
 

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summerof2010 said:
If i miscommunicated I apologize. So lets set the record for my original post.

All i meant to say was that they are fictional stories created for our enjoyment.

Not anti-religious propaganda.

My second post was more explaining the difference between Anti-religious and dark interpretations.

As an amateur writer myself I have been taught about the clear distinction of them.

Anti-religious must be done with intent.

Dark reflections are meant simply for interesting stories.

If you must know, I think that it's just a reflection of contemporary distrust and hatred for organized religion that is being added in to make the titles more relateable.
Let me give you another view on that.

When it comes to games involving fear the idea of religion can be for four other reasons.

1)To unnerve you as someone who might take comfort in religious beliefs. Something that calms you is now in front of you, and trying to kill you.

2)To create an atmosphere of confidence agaisnt you. Your enemies are not afraid of you. Life and death are the same to them, and they will pursue you relentlessly. It adds a desperate feel.

3)They are presented as a cult* more so to scare older gamers with kids. Cult* worship is something that scares people with children. It can add a level of fear parents might feel that we don't.

4) Its easy.(explained lower)

*Cult in this case is referring to any non-major religion that's tenants are unknown. Thus the fear for parents.

While there is more though these are the primary reasons i see them added to fear based games.

The scientist in Dead Space that's helping the necromorphs is creepy as fuck for no other reason then in a midst all this chaos he is calmly walking the halls assisting them in there goals, and not dying.

Actually, your post has got me thinking that much of this trend might just be devs copying each other, much like the homogeneous brown shooter trend you noted.
It just seems odd that if everyone copies ONE thing it's because of they are lazy but another, especially religious ideas, and people are ready to decry religion.

Once more i think people are kinda jumping the gun and applying there own anti-religious beliefs or fear to a scenario meant only to entertain.

As well i realize they can make entertaining propaganda but in video games i do not see that happening.

Regardless of the reason, the tone used to present religion is largely negative, so it can be abstractly stated that most video games ("the industry as a whole") maintain a hostile and/or disapproving attitude toward organized religion ("an anti-religious sentiment").
The true reason might be more of an angry yawn then anything.

Religion is kinda an easy button in writing as well.

"Why do the enemies want this mcguffin so bad?"

"its a religious artifact!"

"Why do they keep trying to kill me?"

"Their religion demands it!"

"Why are you pummeling me! its really painful!"

"God told me to!"

Religion in literary works more often then not is used to replace meaningful backgrounds and motivations for characters.

I mean, that's okay for minor characters, but go through these games and count how many main villains are doing it truly for there faith, and no other reason.

I don't find it very often, and even rarer does it fit to me, but it's usually kinda a weak story when the enemies only motivation is "God told me to".


Just don't in the future.

Good fun. Boy it's late. Talk to you tomorrow I hope?
It IS tomorrow.
 

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RobCoxxy said:
manythings said:
of course they have an anti-religious thing, the second religion is brooched as a subject nowadays people kneejerk and start screaming about the insidious way the right wing is trying to force dogma on them. When people can mature a few fucking shades then maybe something interesting with regard to religions can occur in the medium, until then the fuckwits will make sure atheism is forced on people.
I'd rather force Atheism (well, as a Man of science, it's more logical) than the concept of an all-knowing bearded deity that controls everything.
I think Mao Zedong tried that in China once.

It didn't turn out to well.
 

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Well, you can't discriminate the religious groups, or the anti-religious groups, or the anti-anti-religious groups.

May I mention that it isn't just video games? Books, movies, and pretty much most of the stuff since the Renaissance have been anti-religious. For good reason.

im not anti religion i am just anti hypocrite and man that venn diagram is almost a full circle
 

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Skullkid4187 said:
Yeah I've noticed it, sure I don't agree but, I've stopped caring, I'm not a minority ;}
I'm sorry, I know this is extremely off-topic but, I LOVE YOUR AVATAR!!!!
 

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The Final Fantasy series definitely does this. Almost anytime there is a religion in the games, it's corrupt and evil (FFX and Tactics are major examples of this).
 

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Casual Shinji said:
I'd rather force Atheism (well, as a Man of science, it's more logical) than the concept of an all-knowing bearded deity that controls everything.
I think Mao Zedong tried that in China once.

It didn't turn out to well.[/quote]

As opposed to the Spanish Inquisition, etc.
 

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Most games that include religion display it in an unfair light. I myself am an atheist, and I think most of the anti-religion games have a Clash of the Titans vibe, in which we want to think for ourselves and not be constrained by religion. I think being a faithful person can be great, but everyone must admit that it doesn't always work for everyone's favor (i.e., Crusades, Holocaust, terrorism). Games usually include free will and the ability to do as you please, so it's no surprise that most take an atheist view.
 

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RobCoxxy said:
As opposed to the Spanish Inquisition, etc.
That's the point I'm trying to make; forcing a believe on someone is always wrong whether it's Christianity or Atheism.
 

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Yeslek Ssomllur said:
tellmeimaninja said:
I am against organized religion, so I can see the message and get a warm fuzzy feeling where my soul should be.
Same here!

Flying-Emu said:
Sorry, no.
Halo has NOT sold more copies than the Bible, man...
From Wiki
Wikipedia said:
The Bible is the best-selling book in history with approximate sales estimates ranging from 2.5 billion to 6 billion.
Halo's sold MAYBE 35 million copies.
From Wikipedia..

Hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɜrbəli/,[1] from ancient Greek ὑπερβολή 'exaggeration') is a rhetorical device in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.
That's some mighty hyperbole then, blowing its sales to almost 1000% percent of what they actually are.

Excuse me for being a stickler for details.

*EDIT* Also, that number has two separate, cited sources on Wiki, one being Businessweek. Which last time I checked was a pretty reputable publication.
 

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Flying-Emu said:
That's some mighty hyperbole then, blowing its sales to almost 1000% percent of what they actually are.

Excuse me for being a stickler for details.

*EDIT* Also, that number has two separate, cited sources on Wiki, one being Businessweek. Which last time I checked was a pretty reputable publication.
You remind me of my girlfriend (goodness, that sounds awkward).
I'll tell her that "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse" and she'll get this puzzled look on her face and say "What? A horse, even a small one, is like nine or ten times your body weight! Most humans can't eat a mass of food larger than their heads, much less larger than them!"

And so on and so forth. This has happened so many times that that I just say "I'm so hungry, I could eat several large burritos!" and everyone else looks at me like I'm off my rocker.
 

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Yeslek Ssomllur said:
Flying-Emu said:
That's some mighty hyperbole then, blowing its sales to almost 1000% percent of what they actually are.

Excuse me for being a stickler for details.

*EDIT* Also, that number has two separate, cited sources on Wiki, one being Businessweek. Which last time I checked was a pretty reputable publication.
You remind me of my girlfriend (goodness, that sounds awkward).
I'll tell her that "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse" and she'll get this puzzled look on her face and say "What? A horse, even a small one, is like nine or ten times your body weight! Most humans can't eat a mass of food larger than their heads, much less larger than them!"

And so on and so forth. This has happened so many times that that I just say "I'm so hungry, I could eat several large burritos!" and everyone else looks at me like I'm off my rocker.
That's a nice story, except for the fact that if you could eat a horse, you'd just be a freak of nature. Halo selling 2.5 billion copies would be much more than that.
 

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Agayek said:
Kyuubi Fanatic said:
Mostly because one is drenched in symbolism, and the other is taken literally and is basically a giant pyramid scheme tailored for rich idiots. Like Tom Cruise! ^_^
I am forced to direct you to the Catholic Church from ~800-1600 AD for the monetary issue (and even to a small degree today). And I feel the need to point out there are thousands, if not millions, of people who take the Christian Bible as Absolute Truth, regardless of any proof to the contrary.

The point I'm struggling to get to is that Scientology is no worse than any other established religion, it's simply new enough that most people consider it a crazy cult (which, if what I've read is true, it is). If you're going to mock a religion, at least mock it for something that you don't share with its followers.
Okay, for the record, I was making a joke with Scientology, that's why I mentioned Tom Cruise. No shit The Catholic church has taken advantage of it's followers, I didn't exclude Christianity from my judgment, go back and read the first half of my initial post.

And yes Scientology is WAY more ridiculous than Christianity, if you want to get personal about it. And I won't deny that I may be colored in that opinion by my own beliefs. But getting into an argument about religion will lead no one anywhere, especially on the internet.

The point I am trying to make is that I tried to leave my initial post on a positive sort of note that wouldn't offend anyone. Except Scientologists obviously, due to my joke. Tho honestly, are there even any Escapist fans rich enough to be in their church on this site?
 

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Flying-Emu said:
That's a nice story, except for the fact that if you could eat a horse, you'd just be a freak of nature. Halo selling 2.5 billion copies would be much more than that.
Yeah... You're still doing it...
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