Any fat fingered violinists around?

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Jux

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I've got an issue with two things. Some double stops, like a C# (A string)/G (D string), or basically any where a finger is crossing over another string, I'm having issues bumping strings with my fat fingers. My teacher is great, but she has skinny fingers and her solutions aren't really helping, so I'm looking around the internet now.

The other is with vibrato. I'm not sure if this is a fat finger issue or if I'm just that uncoordinated, but my fingers just aren't moving like I want them too.
 

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What I've learned with string crossing is to just go very slow, and make sure you lift your fingers. One way to do this is to do a scale or even an arpeggiated scale where you do a lot of string crossing and watch your fingers. You can even make crap up as you go, but the main point is to watch your fingers only, and go slow.

It takes a lot of practice, but after a while it will be second nature to you.

Vibrato is all in your wrist, not your fingers or your bowing arm. There are a few exercises you can do to help you along with it, like getting an egg shaker and move it with your wrist only. Again, going slow is the key and then you speed up until you can do it without moving your whole arm. The other is to pick a finger, like your third finger since it's the easiest, and slide it up and down any string, and you get smaller and smaller until you only move your wrist. Your teacher can probably give you more vibrato exercises since each teacher does things differently with techniques.

Trust me, it took me a long time before I could do vibrato without thinking about it, but it takes times.

I hope that helps!
 

Jux

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Thanks. I guess with the vibrato I'm just lacking the coordination right now. With the string crossing I'm not so sure. The pads of my fingers are just so damn big, I have to push the lower string to the side in order to avoid bumping the higher one during a doublestop. I'll be keeping at it though.
 

nariette

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Thin fingered violist (if you have large hands, why not try the viola?) here. I have trouble with using my fourth finger because next to handling a big instrument, I also have tiny hands. I often can't get a proper grip on the strings, do you have the same problem with your larger fingers?

How long have you been playing? Because it could also be an issue with the time you have been playing. In comparison to an instrument like the piano or the flute, string instruments (with the exception of guitar) are very difficult and it just takes a long time to learn.

I actually heard large fingers help a lot with vibrato. Not that it's easier to learn, but the sound would be better. Listen to Lawrence Power for example.
 

Jux

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Two years roughly. Being older though, I find it easier to stay dedicated to practicing. As a kid I played the flute, and hated it. Eight years and I feel like I wasted my time. This though I absolutely love. Picked up a Swietlinski on a lark after listening to people like taylor davis and lara de wit on youtube recreating some of my favorite video game music, found a tutor, and just went with it.

To answer your question though, I don't have issues gripping the strings, that's pretty easy for me. Not bumping is my biggest problem right now. My 4th finger is pretty strong, though that's probably more from rock climbing.
 

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Question: Are you playing on the tips of your fingers, or on the pads?

If your fingers are flat on the string then that might be the problem, and curling your fingers might fix that.

Other than that, the only thing I can tell you is that not all hands are created equal, so you're just gonna have to play around to see what works for you. Just keep in mind that when you do play around you have to stay in proper technique, otherwise bad happens will start to form, like not curling your wrist.

And who says the violin is easy? :p
 

Jux

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The tips, but the pads of my fingers are still big enough that they bump if I don't push the string to the side. The problem is most pronounced on the G/D strings, as curling my wrist that far over can be painful. Short fat fingers here sadly.
 

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It sounds like you need to work on your grip. I have big hands too, it turned out to be a problem with how I was holding the neck of the instrument. You should see about having a tutor help you. It should not be causing you any pain. Wrist pain is almost always due to a grip that is too strong, keep that up and you'll get tendonitis.

But the thing about the violin (and stringed instruments in general) is that technique matters more than anything else. It's not like keyboards or woodwinds (no hate on either of those, of course, being a piano, pipe organ, and clarinet player as well as a violinist) where it's just pressing a button, exactly how you put your finger on the strings will matter a lot and there is more than one valid way to approach this. A few suggestions:

1.) Try adjusting your chin and shoulder rests. When I started violin I was having wrist and grip problems everywhere. I tried everything and spent weeks trying to figure it out, eventually I broke down and had a meeting with a stringed instrument professor at my university, he took one look at my form and told me my shoulder rest was too low, which caused me to not hold the violin properly with my neck, and I was compensating with my left hand by keeping it at an angle that made it impossible to use the tips of my fingers to press the strings down. Spend some time adjusting your shoulder rest until you get a position that has the strings PERFECTLY parallel to the floor while keeping your left arm completely relaxed. I had been playing for over a year before I caught this, and I had the same problems with bumping strings with my fingers. There should be no pain or discomfort whatsoever, it should actually feel quite pleasant when you're holding it properly...weightless, almost.

2.) Vibrato is hard to learn, it just takes time to build up the muscular ability for it. Don't worry if you're not getting it right away.
 

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I do, and I was never able to fix it...

So I switched to cello and viola.
 

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nariette said:
Thin fingered violist (if you have large hands, why not try the viola?) here. I have trouble with using my fourth finger because next to handling a big instrument, I also have tiny hands. I often can't get a proper grip on the strings, do you have the same problem with your larger fingers?

How long have you been playing? Because it could also be an issue with the time you have been playing. In comparison to an instrument like the piano or the flute, string instruments (with the exception of guitar) are very difficult and it just takes a long time to learn.

I actually heard large fingers help a lot with vibrato. Not that it's easier to learn, but the sound would be better. Listen to Lawrence Power for example.
Oh man, that was my problem too. I also broke off the end of my left little finger when I was 8 or 9, and while they fixed it okay, it never really grew much more and isn't very strong. That on top of having really small fingers, I was always pretty bad at the violin. I'm mainly a pianist, and I struggle to play anything with octaves with my right hand (my left hand is bigger), and anything more is impossible.

It sucks to hear all of these problems, but in a way it makes me feel a little better that other hand shapes also have their own issues. Stupid musical instruments.
 

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Fiz_The_Toaster said:
Question: Are you playing on the tips of your fingers, or on the pads?
This might do it for you. Playing lightly on the tips of fingers is how one usually achieves harmonics but perhaps you're just gonna have to adjust all of your fingers to accommodate. I suggest playing like this. I know there was another suggest to try the viola (perhaps even consider the cello or bass as you shouldn't have a problem with that) but that's probably not the answer you're looking for. Make sure you're using a full-size violin and if nothing else works, try custom-tailoring a violin to be larger like a viola to accommodate.
 

Jux

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I'm currently trying a few different things, and went over some of my recurring issues with my instructor this week. Switching instruments isn't really an option for me. I'm a stubborn mule when it comes to achieving something I set my mind to. Thanks for all the tips though ya'll, it's much appreciated.
 

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Jux said:
I'm currently trying a few different things, and went over some of my recurring issues with my instructor this week. Switching instruments isn't really an option for me. I'm a stubborn mule when it comes to achieving something I set my mind to. Thanks for all the tips though ya'll, it's much appreciated.
It's cool. Do let us/me know how it works out? If you remedy your problems, what worked? It just seems dumb that someone's physique stops them from playing an instrument they love. I'd be pissed as well if I had to change instruments just because of it. I myself play the viola so as a fellow musician, g'luck to you in our endeavors.
 

Batou667

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The thread title made me reflect on the importance of punctuation: there's a world of difference between being a fat-fingered violinist and a fat, fingered violinist.

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