Any opinions on Destiny? A review of what we know.

[Zeldias]

Wow, that video was annoying. I've never watched one of those before. That guy's voice, the rapid-fire staccato tone...Ugh.

Anyway, I was really excited for Destiny (even though I have been bored with Halo since it's inception and fail to see why it gets so much acclaim), but then I saw there's no PC version. I'm not mad at Bungie for not making a PC version, because it would be stupid for me to get emotional about it, but I hate playing shooters of any kind on console. I don't even understand how people have the dexterity to aim properly and rapidly like that.

I've always been weird about controls (I got a Mad Catz Dreamcast controller because the one it shipped with was too small and made my hands cramp, and I liked the big original Xbox controller). If I can't play a fighting game with my arcade stick, then I'm out (which makes me worried about Dragon's Crown since you need the right analog), if I can't play a shooter with my keyboard and mouse, then I'm extremely hesitant.

It looks interesting, I'll give it that, and I'm excited to see more. I just wish it came with a control scheme that was comfortable for me.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

Whilst the game looks really fun to play, I find it hard to be excited for a game that I cannot play, having no interest in buying a next-gen console, im just waiting for a PC port to come along.

Destiny will be released on Xbox 360 and PS3.

 

[kingthrall]

I really hope the game fails because of its sheer ignorance as I was looking forward to playing this game yet I have no sympathy to any product that doesnt market to the right audience.

I don't even...

Ignorance? The developer who made a game that changed the face of gaming for a generation, wanting to primarily stick with consoles where they had their success? Practically each dev said they would love to port it to PC, since many are PC gamers as well as console ones. They just don't have the time, plus Activision might not want their efforts to be focused there at the moment.

Not every FPS needs to be beholden to the PC. This isn't Tribes, Counter Strike, or any other PC shooter. The game isn't even an MMO, from right now it has elements of an MMO, big difference. So the game isn't what you wanted, now you're butthurt. My heart goes out to you.

If your implying that its an RPG then my argument is even in more favor because games such as Baldurs gate, NWN, Titian quest, Arcanum, Inquisitor, Nox, Diablo, Sacred are all RPG's that are not on console.

I am pissed because of how stupid a company can be, a game like this is more suited to pc than a crappy playstation port especially if it wants to add a lot of features and complexity to the game which is being heavily implied by a lot of users who have posted here. Having four big colorful buttons and a few back pressing buttons limits the variety of gameplay considerably so If Bungie are serious to desperate their ties with Microsoft then they are going about it the wrong way.

 

[Erttheking]

I really hope the game fails because of its sheer ignorance as I was looking forward to playing this game yet I have no sympathy to any product that doesnt market to the right audience.

I don't even...

Ignorance? The developer who made a game that changed the face of gaming for a generation, wanting to primarily stick with consoles where they had their success? Practically each dev said they would love to port it to PC, since many are PC gamers as well as console ones. They just don't have the time, plus Activision might not want their efforts to be focused there at the moment.

Not every FPS needs to be beholden to the PC. This isn't Tribes, Counter Strike, or any other PC shooter. The game isn't even an MMO, from right now it has elements of an MMO, big difference. So the game isn't what you wanted, now you're butthurt. My heart goes out to you.

If your implying that its an RPG then my argument is even in more favor because games such as Baldurs gate, NWN, Titian quest, Arcanum, Inquisitor, Nox, Diablo, Sacred are all RPG's that are not on console.

I am pissed because of how stupid a company can be, a game like this is more suited to pc than a crappy playstation port especially if it wants to add a lot of features and complexity to the game which is being heavily implied by a lot of users who have posted here. Having four big colorful buttons and a few back pressing buttons limits the variety of gameplay considerably so If Bungie are serious to desperate their ties with Microsoft then they are going about it the wrong way.

Going to have to disagree with you there. First, shooters work perfectly fine on consoles, in fact I think Bungie was the very company that proved that with the first Halo game. Secondly, it's not a Playstation port if it was designed originally for consoles, it's a console game. Third, games can be on the console and still be fairly complex, they can't be world of warcraft, but games like X-COM Enemy Unknown, Dishonored and Borderlands had a few complicated ideas that went with them and they had console ports that worked just fine. Which leads to my fourth point. How complicated a game is can't be measured by how many buttons it takes to use the game all the time, for all Bungie is implying the game seems to be complex in how the world works and how much you can customize the various parts of the game, not how many different abilities the characters have, and while the characters do have a few neat abilities, they are abilities that I can easily see be managed by a controller.

So, I respect your opinion, but at the same time I respectfully disagree.

Yes it does kind of suck that the game may not be getting a PC port, but I think it's going way too far to wish that the game would fail based solely on that. I mean there are plenty of PC games that never get console ports that I can't play on my Mac, and I don't wish ill fortune on them.

 

[fix-the-spade]

I'm not saying its Halo, but it's fucking Halo. XD

That moment when you put in the disc and the monks start up.

Until it's out no one will know, trailers and demos are just controlled adverts, they're meaningless if you have any sense. Although, after the destiny media 'event' a few months back we do know that someone inside Bungie's marketing department is the biggest troll in PR anywhere.

Yes, fly journalists from publications around the world for a whole day Bungie media event all about Destiny, then subject them to an interview with a developer's cat and show them four seconds of game play. I can't decide if that's dumb or it's so far off the deep end it gets a gravitic slingshot and wooshes back round to genius.

It may qualify as the most expensive lolcat of all time though.

 

[Erttheking]

I'm not saying its Halo, but it's fucking Halo. XD

That moment when you put in the disc and the monks start up.

Until it's out no one will know, trailers and demos are just controlled adverts, they're meaningless if you have any sense. Although, after the destiny media 'event' a few months back we do know that someone inside Bungie's marketing department is the biggest troll in PR anywhere.

Yes, fly journalists from publications around the world for a whole day Bungie media event all about Destiny, then subject them to an interview with a developer's cat and show them four seconds of game play. I can't decide if that's dumb or it's so far off the deep end it gets a gravitic slingshot and wooshes back round to genius.

It may qualify as the most expensive lolcat of all time though.

What? Trolls in bungie? I don't know what you're talking about, they would never do anything like that.

 

[teebeeohh]

so far all we have is marketing blurb.
until someone who i trust to voice criticism gets time to play it without constant supervision i really don't care.
also: no PC release and after the last of us i will not touch a controller for shooter ever again.

 

[Erttheking]

That's my two cents anyway. We're not going to see a magical FPS MMO that allows thousands upon thousands of gamers to shoot each other in real time. The logistics of running servers for that, and having the consoles handle that much data, is beyond what I think the current games industry can handle.

Wow, people were seriously making that claim? I just thought that the concept of the world and mechanics was cool, I agree that it looks like Borderlands. I thought that at the very most there would be twenty different players in game at once.

 

[Ishal]

I don't get why people are saying this will be some new paradigm for console-shooter-MMOs. From the footage I've seen, it looks like Borderlands.

Sure, a very pretty, very space-opera Borderlands, but still... when you strip away the hype and the pretentious overblown PR coming from Bungie, I'm pretty sure what we'll see is another game that combines first-person shooting with an abundance of 'Go here and collect X number of items/shoot X number of bandits' questlines. It'll be fun, of that I have no doubt, but I very much doubt that this game is going to be the online revolution many people think. I very much doubt Bungie have somehow managed to crack the logistical/computational nightmare of having millions of gamers all running round together in a consistent gameworld while also having real time first-person shooting mechanics. Instead, I think we'll see a game where gamers play online together in small groups, and that somehow gets tallied up through some sort of online ranking system to give the impression of a persistent online game world.

That's my two cents anyway. We're not going to see a magical FPS MMO that allows thousands upon thousands of gamers to shoot each other in real time. The logistics of running servers for that, and having the consoles handle that much data, is beyond what I think the current games industry can handle.

It won't be that, but what Bungie does incredibly well is to zero in on certain aspects of their game and really, really polish up to give them lots of replayability. It's what made Halo so successful in the first place. I'd compare it to Mario actually, I read your defense of Nintendo in a lot of threads where you cite the Galaxy titles for their intuitive desgin. Bungie did that in Halo in a few different ways. The matchmaking system used in almost all modern shooters today was first implemented in Halo.

Destiny won't be any type of earth shattering game, but it might be something special. It might be that game the game where it blends the best aspects of MMO's and the best aspects of shooters w/o losing anything in the process.

Dungeons that you can do w/o having a tight knit group of players who know their shit, allowing people to just jump in and run one. Loot that is all different, the gun system is supposed to be similar to borderlands 2 I think. As for the amount of players running around. I agree, but I think they may be able to pull out something special here. Bungie is a talented group of people, and they've been working on this for a long time. I think they are going to surprise a lot of gamers who have expectations really low.

Best thing is going to be how they add new content. They are comparing the story to book or TV series installments like The Wire where content may be delivered in a chapter like format with new single player, multiplayer, and other content. The story potential here is pretty great.

In the end, as with all things, never believe the hype, but don't discount a studio like Bungie.

 

[Ishal]

If your implying that its an RPG then my argument is even in more favor because games such as Baldurs gate, NWN, Titian quest, Arcanum, Inquisitor, Nox, Diablo, Sacred are all RPG's that are not on console.

I am pissed because of how stupid a company can be, a game like this is more suited to pc than a crappy playstation port especially if it wants to add a lot of features and complexity to the game which is being heavily implied by a lot of users who have posted here. Having four big colorful buttons and a few back pressing buttons limits the variety of gameplay considerably so If Bungie are serious to desperate their ties with Microsoft then they are going about it the wrong way.

That is not what I'm implying, you are way off the mark.

Some of those games you listed are heavy handed RPG titles. Destiny will not be like that. It will have xp and a leveling system where you can level your weapons, armor, your AI assistant, and possibly your ship. It's still a shooter, with only the barest RPG elements.

This game is very much a console game, like erttheking said, its not about the buttons or the complexity of tech trees you allocate your points to. It's about how you play. They've already separated their ties to Microsoft, but its not the Microsoft you are thinking of. Microsoft Game Studios is what Bungie used to be tied to, now they are not. The game and PC divisions of Microsoft are completely different last I checked.

To be frank, I wouldn't worry about a PC port. I predict one of two things will happen.

1) They'll try and get a PC port in before the game launches (I'm guessing spring/summer of next year)
2) (more likely) the game will release, then several months after launch they'll port it to PC. So PC gamers get a game with much of the bugs already worked out. Sounds good to me.

 

[DarkhoIlow]

Until we get a PC confirmation of the game then I can say I am barely interested in the game.

From my own opinion on it from what I've seen is a MMOFPS with some minor RPG elements with shiny graphics.

Nothing too revolutionary, The Division looked way more interesting, but they are in the same position as my first phrase. Unless we get a PC version, I couldn't care less.

 

[Yuuki]

1) It's a first person shooter not coming to PC
2) Couldn't care less

PC is the best platform to play first person shooters on...not due to the "omg yeaaah pc master race epeen better graphixx" but due to the simple fact that nothing breaks my immersion more than trying to aim accurately with fucking ANALOG STICKS.

Let me know when XBox One and PS4 will natively support mouse+keyboard in all titles and I will place my pre-order for a next-gen console (most likely PS4) in a heartbeat. Console controllers are nice in fighting games and platformers...but for anything that requires aiming/precision or complex movement (e.g. circle strafing) they suck balls.

 

[Jast]

I dunno. I saw the video at E3 and thought, "Oh this really looks like Halo." and then I stopped caring.

 

[Bat Vader]

I like that I will be able to play the game solo. Grouping up with friends in games like this can be fun but most of the time I prefer to play my games solo.

It would be nice if Bungie did a PC version and released it on Steam. They would make a good amount of money doing that.

 

[kingthrall]

If your implying that its an RPG then my argument is even in more favor because games such as Baldurs gate, NWN, Titian quest, Arcanum, Inquisitor, Nox, Diablo, Sacred are all RPG's that are not on console.

I am pissed because of how stupid a company can be, a game like this is more suited to pc than a crappy playstation port especially if it wants to add a lot of features and complexity to the game which is being heavily implied by a lot of users who have posted here. Having four big colorful buttons and a few back pressing buttons limits the variety of gameplay considerably so If Bungie are serious to desperate their ties with Microsoft then they are going about it the wrong way.

That is not what I'm implying, you are way off the mark.

Some of those games you listed are heavy handed RPG titles. Destiny will not be like that. It will have xp and a leveling system where you can level your weapons, armor, your AI assistant, and possibly your ship. It's still a shooter, with only the barest RPG elements.

This game is very much a console game, like erttheking said, its not about the buttons or the complexity of tech trees you allocate your points to. It's about how you play. They've already separated their ties to Microsoft, but its not the Microsoft you are thinking of. Microsoft Game Studios is what Bungie used to be tied to, now they are not. The game and PC divisions of Microsoft are completely different last I checked.

To be frank, I wouldn't worry about a PC port. I predict one of two things will happen.

1) They'll try and get a PC port in before the game launches (I'm guessing spring/summer of next year)
2) (more likely) the game will release, then several months after launch they'll port it to PC. So PC gamers get a game with much of the bugs already worked out. Sounds good to me.

Sadly I get scared of ports introduced to Pc from any console because of that abomination of a game dark souls. I dont trust consoles at all with games. I also disagree that having a Hybrid game of FPS/RPG/MMO is a complex idea to do and the best platform to do hybrid idea's and other forms of gaming is a PC.

When you say the barest of elements of an rpg as well. There is an inventory screen, a range of weapons, experience points and quests or raid/teamquests. These are pretty much what an rpg is and games like fallout are a good example that gamers still call an "RPG". So you are wrong on that account as well I think.

 

[Erttheking]

If your implying that its an RPG then my argument is even in more favor because games such as Baldurs gate, NWN, Titian quest, Arcanum, Inquisitor, Nox, Diablo, Sacred are all RPG's that are not on console.

I am pissed because of how stupid a company can be, a game like this is more suited to pc than a crappy playstation port especially if it wants to add a lot of features and complexity to the game which is being heavily implied by a lot of users who have posted here. Having four big colorful buttons and a few back pressing buttons limits the variety of gameplay considerably so If Bungie are serious to desperate their ties with Microsoft then they are going about it the wrong way.

That is not what I'm implying, you are way off the mark.

Some of those games you listed are heavy handed RPG titles. Destiny will not be like that. It will have xp and a leveling system where you can level your weapons, armor, your AI assistant, and possibly your ship. It's still a shooter, with only the barest RPG elements.

This game is very much a console game, like erttheking said, its not about the buttons or the complexity of tech trees you allocate your points to. It's about how you play. They've already separated their ties to Microsoft, but its not the Microsoft you are thinking of. Microsoft Game Studios is what Bungie used to be tied to, now they are not. The game and PC divisions of Microsoft are completely different last I checked.

To be frank, I wouldn't worry about a PC port. I predict one of two things will happen.

1) They'll try and get a PC port in before the game launches (I'm guessing spring/summer of next year)
2) (more likely) the game will release, then several months after launch they'll port it to PC. So PC gamers get a game with much of the bugs already worked out. Sounds good to me.

Sadly I get scared of ports introduced to Pc from any console because of that abomination of a game dark souls. I dont trust consoles at all with games. I also disagree that having a Hybrid game of FPS/RPG/MMO is a complex idea to do and the best platform to do hybrid idea's and other forms of gaming is a PC.

When you say the barest of elements of an rpg as well. There is an inventory screen, a range of weapons, experience points and quests or raid/teamquests. These are pretty much what an rpg is and games like fallout are a good example that gamers still call an "RPG". So you are wrong on that account as well I think.

You don't trust console ports because of Dark Souls? I don't follow. Dark Souls was ported by a completely different company that has nothing to do with Destiny. Just because one developer messed up doesn't mean that the entire industry isn't trustworthy. Heck, the first two Halo games got ported to PC and I heard they did pretty well.

Not to mention in terms of FPS/PRG/MMO, really it doesn't seem that more complex than Borderlands if it was more open world and more players had the ability to drop in, and Borderlands ran just fine on the Xbox 360. I really think that consoles will be able to handle this game just fine.