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Caostotale

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To be sure, I'm being facetious. I don't consider myself an artistic failure at all, just never succeeded at finding a way to make a decent living as a musician and eventually convinced myself to go back to school to earn a graduate degree. The reason I'm bringing this up is because I just finished my degree (M.S. in environmental chemistry), earned a cumulative 4.0 (best grades I've ever received in my life), but I'm coming away from school feeling completely morose and empty. Though I enjoyed a few of my classes and liked a professor here and there, I absolutely could not stand any of my classmates (most of whom are younger than me and had never been out of school) and was disgusted by the cynical, soul-sucking nature of a program that had been worn down from years of academic decay. Due to the crazy importance of pedigree (i.e. on-paper academic background), even my top-of-the-class test scores, superior writing skills (unlike most of their science students, I was coming off a background in the liberal arts) and solid in-class performances never mattered to the teachers and they basically told me to 'get lost' whenever I went to them to ask about working in one of the school's labs, etc... I'm leaving the program feeling sufficiently ripped-off and ferociously negative about what passes for successful science students these days.

As for background, I was coming off of a decade spent working as a self-employed music teacher and pursuing my independent artistic goals in the evenings. I recorded a small pile of records and wrote a ton of good original material. All of that was fine for a while but was rapidly burning me out. The band I was in had become somewhat of a disorganized money-sink and my teaching job was turning into a depressing nightmare (too many overbearing helicopter parents and disinterested kid students, too much driving from place to place in a car that was breaking down constantly, too many Guitar Hero songs, etc...). I got interested in going back for a science degree after working in a management department at an analytical chem. lab.

So now I'm basically just sitting at home like a hermit, doing odd jobs for money and wondering what the hell I'm supposed to be doing with my big, directionless and difficult self. Even with my 4.0 degree in hand, I feel like I made a mistake going back to school and shot out my own kneecaps. I'm no longer 'active' as a musician, but still spend most of my free time studying classical music, transcribing video game songs, composing small ideas, what-have-you... Of course, I'm doing the 'right thing' and filling out job applications and crap but I'm not at all excited or optimistic about the prospect of starting some dreary environmental science job somewhere with a bunch of world-wearied consultants, etc... I'm plagued by a sense of guilt/failure/uncertainty/etc... that I should be doing something with my musical background, even though I know that it completely failed the first time around. Compared with my stupid schooling crap, that was actually a product of training that I actually cared about and was able to invest my heart and head in. I stopped caring about environmental science at the moment I realized that pretty much nobody else in my academic program actually gave a damn about what they were doing, instead approaching it as nothing more than the most bland and passionless careerism. Anyhow, I apologize for all of this silly moping and dithering about. I'm just feeling craptastic and am curious if anyone else has had similar life experiences and can offer some perspective.
 

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I'm afraid I'm all out of advice - if I had any I'd take it myself - but I know what you mean, man.

I also tried at various points in the past to balance science and art, I tried teaching, and I'm now considering "making my vacation my vocation" by doing one of my hobbies professionally. Yeah, there are pitfalls whichever way you go.

What keeps me going is the knowledge that it's a big world, and there are niches out there to be filled.

Your comment about "helicopter parents" made me laugh. What are they, parents who hover around as you're teaching?
 

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hey there!
I think I can relate to this.
I used to play bass guitar when I was in my early teens, I loved it, I practiced every day for hours and I got pretty good.
Started playing in bands which was very difficult as there seems to be an endless legion of wannabe rock stars, that want to be in a band purely for the reason of saying "I'm in a band".
they won't practice, they turn up late if at all and are more focused on their hair or image.

anyway I did get to play some gigs and it was fun.
sadly I started getting older and realised I needed to sort out a career or I would be earning minimum wage the rest of my life.
I broke the news to my band mates that I was going to have to quit as I wouldn't be able to practice as often or give the band my full attention.
needless to say they took it badly and they all just cut me off and ignored me from that day on.

we were a really close bunch of friends so I could understand them being upset but I was surprised by their reaction.
I didn't quite feel the same about music after that and got a bit depressed over the whole thing, I managed to persevere and started playing in another friends band as a fill in bassist.
although I didn't like the style they played it was great fun playing their technical bass lines.
I still didn't feel the same about music and once the stint with this band was over I thought of packing it in.
I missed the feeling of being in a close knit unit with my friends and felt very lonely.
the decision to quit was made for me when I went to a band interview and after telling them that I'm open to all styles and I was currently enjoying a strokes album, I noticed a look pass between these guys and they asked 'oh...so your retro...?'

that was when I knew I had had enough and I hung up Excalibur (my bass lol)

so free of music I started to feel better over time and took up writing and drawing as my new hobbies.
the writing, as you can probably tell ha ha, was quickly ditched as I'm crap at punctuation.
I'm not to bad at drawing though so I've kept that up though not as much as I would want.

Now work wise I had managed to get a job at an engineering company. I've learnt lots of stuff there, currently I'm trying to learn machining on a lathe and mill but I did do an apprenticeship in welding and had to spend a day at college. And thank the gods it was just a single day because it was AWFULL!
nobody on the course gave a single damn about what they were doing, the other students were a menace and basically fucked about all day which stopped you doing your work.
the teachers also were poor and didn't seem to care.
my position on the course got mishandled and I had to do an extra year.
there really was times I wanted to quit the course but I'm glad I pulled through.
I finished in January and never want to see that college ever again.

I really enjoy welding and my job in general as its fun to make things be it music or metal or drawing etc
so from experience I would say: if you think you won't enjoy that career path look for something else. however the school you were at left you with a poor impression of that subject, I'm sure in a place of work the attitude will be more positive.

on the music I would say keep playing and maybe try seeking out new projects.
Music as a means of employment must be difficult, the only guy I know that works in the music industry is a sound engineer. He does the big uk festivals and some big name bands.
maybe that could be something you would be interested in?

apologies in advance for the huge reply and my crappy literacy skills!
 

Caostotale

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Thanks for these responses. To the first responder, 'helicopter parents' is a term I picked up somewhere along the way that just refers to parents who obsessively administrate their kids' lives, often to the point of stretching the kid's mind completely thin. Most of my students aged 10-14 were atrocious at learning guitar because their parents had them doing multiple sports, karate, after-school crap, 2 hours of homework a night, etc... and they had no energy to just cut loose and actually enjoy playing the instrument.

To the second response, I too have dealt with occasional bursts of garden-variety musician drama, which is often on the same level as the worst sort of schoolyard crap. However, a small handful of serious musicians I've worked with have kept friendly and collaborative through numerous projects. At no point did anyone just 'quit' and violently cut loose from the rest of us. Rather, life circumstances have simply just made it impossible for us to pull a new project together and maintain it. We're all older, I guess, and nobody wants to go back to the good old days of scrounging together money to pay for mastering/recording/rehearsal-space/etc... or the grueling writing/practice sessions that would often run past 3AM.

I suppose in both music and school, I've often been guilty of being what Stephen King might refer to as somewhat of a 'hard case', in that I'm fiercely individual and obsessively rigorous about how I handle things. Unlike Randall Flagg, however, I'm not a murderous demon who wants to take over the world. In school, I was often very annoyed at how so many of the other students would spend more time stressing and playing up some weird sense of science-student superiority/martyrdom ('[groan], we have to work SO much harder than those hippie liberal arts students, [*****/complain]'), but rarely would put nearly as much energy into attempting a real understanding of those tricky physics/math/chemistry concepts that supposedly set the program so far above liberal arts programs. Having come from a liberal arts background, I found this very irritating. Even so, with the science stuff, I took my work very seriously and would often keep myself up after hours digging through old textbooks and the internet to understand the crap, all the while fielding phone calls from these same lazy classmates not just asking for help, but for step-by-step descriptions of how to solve the homework problem sets.

Amongst musicians, I'd managed to find at least 1-2 others who are as honest, serious, hard-nosed, and artistically open-minded about things as I am, but in general it's been very hard for me to build strong associations with others because so many of them don't seem to take anything they do seriously. Way too many of them seem to be in it for completely non-artistic reasons, seeing it as some sort of social function or sort of get-rich-quick scheme, and I end up being the only one who's still trying to come up with new riffs and song ideas while everyone else is acting like they're at some kind of board-room meeting discussing how we're going to get the kids to buy the next line of action figures.

I hate to turn to pop psychology, but I definitely feel like I suffer a lot from the pressure of the 'extrovert ideal' thing. Unlike that TEDS-talk motivational speaker Susan Cain, however, I don't approve of the idea that introverts like myself need to to practice an art of feigning extroversion as a way of subverting an extroverted world. For me, such acts are out of step with the sort of humility and honesty that allows introverts to push themselves for success in their own private worlds. But this might be getting off track...
 

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Hey I'm going to throw 2 cents in here and I know it's not the same thing. And this is going to be all the BS about how it's the journey and not the destination. You've both got talents that 99% of humans would kill for, you paid your dues, learned the craft, and none of the rest of us will ever get to feel what it's like to produce the art you produce.

Through a couple decades of coaching and sports and freak parents and more s#$% than I can believe I went through, it became pretty clear that very few people ever get to their definition of "happy." as in "I will be happy when _____."

But they forget they are happy today because all they can focus on is what is wrong that minute. Man, it's not about stopping and smelling flowers, it's about stopping and plucking strings or writing stories or creating images. Or games. or just just kindnesses that boost others up.

We are all going to deal with heavy crap in our lives. Stuff that makes some talent or a nice event seem trivial. So you gotta stop every few hours or even minutes and realize man, I'm doing something NOW that I really like and it makes me really happy.

Cuz later, what if years pass and you don't? You don't pick up that instrument or brush or draw something or try to make something you want to try to make? Dudes, life is too short. You can't let it pass you by. Do what makes you happy now, even for free. I did. For years. Loved it. The fight is better than getting your hand raised.
 

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G3 said:
Hey I'm going to throw 2 cents in here and I know it's not the same thing. And this is going to be all the BS about how it's the journey and not the destination. You've both got talents that 99% of humans would kill for, you paid your dues, learned the craft, and none of the rest of us will ever get to feel what it's like to produce the art you produce.

Through a couple decades of coaching and sports and freak parents and more s#$% than I can believe I went through, it became pretty clear that very few people ever get to their definition of "happy." as in "I will be happy when _____."

But they forget they are happy today because all they can focus on is what is wrong that minute. Man, it's not about stopping and smelling flowers, it's about stopping and plucking strings or writing stories or creating images. Or games. or just just kindnesses that boost others up.

We are all going to deal with heavy crap in our lives. Stuff that makes some talent or a nice event seem trivial. So you gotta stop every few hours or even minutes and realize man, I'm doing something NOW that I really like and it makes me really happy.

Cuz later, what if years pass and you don't? You don't pick up that instrument or brush or draw something or try to make something you want to try to make? Dudes, life is too short. You can't let it pass you by. Do what makes you happy now, even for free. I did. For years. Loved it. The fight is better than getting your hand raised.
that's a really great point and I like your positive attitude.
personaly I dont think I will play music again as I've just fell out of love with it. However I am creative at work and I'm knuckling down now and taking my drawing a bit more serious.
both things make me happy like music used too so I will stick with those outlets for now.
in my opinion when something no longer makes you happy it's time to move on, I'm glad I had the experiences I had playing in bands, the good and bad ones. Sadly I no longer get a buzz from it like I used to.
 

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At this point, I think I'm more in love with music than I ever was in the past and definitely more in touch with my individual sense of musical/artistic taste. I was thinking about that today while listening to some of Prokofiev's pieces, as today's that composer's birthday and a lot of my classical music friends on Facebook are talking him up.

I'm extremely wary about going back into any rock/pop groups simply because I'm very old-fashioned and proud about how I do things and can't jive with the invasive nature of social media crap, scene politics, and capitalist craziness that's essentially become the dialogue and language of modern rock/pop music. At all points in my music experience, I think that my approach has been, to varying degrees, at odds with overarching pressures (from others and my own self-brainwashing) to sell a bunch of junk and attract as many people to my music's superficial appearance as possible, two things that I feel are virtually impossible to control in today's technocratic consumer culture. Even with colossally misleading examples like Radiohead that suggest alternate paths to success, it's pretty obvious that bands' successes or failures, more than ever before, depend on forces that are probably outside of their control. For every Dillinger Escape Plan that somehow transcends the mire of the NJ music scene and gets into Spin magazine, there's about 50 other groups that are of equal artistic value that just were not lucky like them.
 

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Caostotale said:
Don't give up hope just yet. You've got a unique mix of talents and interests that I'd say can lead to very interesting paths.

For example, you have people such as Stewart Copeland, a guy I first associated with The Police, who went onto a very successful career in soundtracks for both movies and video games. You also have guys like Jad Abumrad, who had a background in music/sound engineering and went on to create Radiolab [http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/02/05/princeton-review-best-value-colleges-interactive/1890969/], a semi-regular science show that tackles some really cool topics, including the Prego sauce topic that Jim Sterling used as the thesis for his latest show.

You have other shows like This American Life that covered these two guys that went out to create the most scientifically unwanted song ever [http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/88/numbers], which was a great way to combine both music and science.

And on the philanthropic side you have guys like Sal Khan, a former hedge fund analyst who decided to create The Khan Academy [https://www.khanacademy.org/], a website where you can "Learn almost anything for free".

Start contacting people. Offer your services if you have to in order to get your foot in the door. You've got the skills, the passion, and the pedigree.