Any Other LGBT Gamers Here?

[Something Amyss]

You kinda missed my point. I said it was a necessary term.

You also refered to it within the context of narrowing the field. It does the opposite. Sorry, but you want me to go off what you say you meant, not what you actually said.

Bisexuality was first defined in a meaningful way by Kinsey. You are technically correct in that it was used in the VERY late 1800s. However, it was often confused with hermaphroditic. So yeah, not very useful. Kinsey gave the term meaning.

Actually, as a term for "hermaphroditic," it dates back to the early nineteenth century. As a word to refer to liking both sexes it dates back o the late 19th. Kinsey didn't give it a meaningful definition; he gave it a pedantic one. If that's what you want, fine. Just don't pretend otherwise.

This has been such a nice thread so far.

It is. So don't muck it up with falsehoods.

I find it very upsetting when people misrepresent bisexuality.

Then don't do it. You're in the wrong here. Don't get upset that people are using the term wrong when you are those people. Further, if you don't think this sort of thing belongs in this thread, don't bring it in here. I merely replied to what was already brought up by you.

It is a very broad term that encompasses many people.

Well, duh. That's kind of the point. Irony intended, or....

And if you begin stating that bisexuals are limited to only male and female individuals, not intersex or transexual individuals, then I will call you out on bullshit. Because that has nothing at all to do with the definition of bisexual.

Because ponies, right?

I already addressed this, actually. Did you even read what I wrote before arguing with me?

Words can evolve all they want - defined terms are defined terms.

And those defined terms evolve as well. For example, homosexuality and bisexuality are no longer defined as mental disorders.
I find it funny that you are talking "defined terms" as though they're static, and then opting to pull out lack of consensus when it comes to pansexuality, even as there's lack of consensus as to what bisexuality is.

 

[xmbts]

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Welcome.

As you can see there's plenty of people of many identities and orientations.

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You! It's been too long.

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You as well! Good to see you people about.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Then don't do it. You're in the wrong here.

No. I'm not. Nothing you have said is any more true or correct than what I have said.

Actually, you haven't offered any thoughts of your own other than "I don't like what you said". Our last several posts pretty much amount to "is so, is not, is so, is not" - a fact of which I am as guilty of as you.

I already addressed this, actually. Did you even read what I wrote before arguing with me?

**rereads your previous post**

What you wrote where? You didn't address that comment one way or another in your post to me. Or do you mean elsewhere in the thread?

Also, I offered to discuss this in PM. Perhaps you were already replying to my post, and didn't see the edit. However, there is no excuse this time. I will not continue arguing in this thread. If you want to clarify what you mean and see if we can get past what I'm fairly sure are semantic differences, then we can talk privately. One way or another, I am done discussing this in thread. It is off-topic and destructive, and I will not be a part of it.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

What kind of college doesn't allow for discourse? I don't even know what to say about that.

They allow for discourse, they're just strict on what terminology they allow in academic discourse. The basic theory being that having standard, clinical terms means less ammo for shit-stirrers and drama queens to cause a fuss.

Isn't the point of college to examine new and emergent trends and add them to the discourse?

Not for undergrads, especially not at a research university.

That they would be unwilling to even examine a new term is bizarre.

Until it starts appearing in papers from prominent Social Science academics as well as in wider discourse from the GLBTIQ communties it won't change at my Uni.

 

[Church185]

Well, I'm still new to the Escapist, and I've come out of the closet recently as transgendered. It always helps, I find, to make friends with like minded people. Nice to have support, aye?

So, just of out curiosity, any other trans gamers on the Escapist? I'd hate to be alone here.

I'm not gay or transgender myself, but welcome to The Escapist! Hopefully your stay will be as pleasant as mine has been.

 

[That Guy Ya Know]

Here... have a genderbread person. Isn't this a cute image?

Here have genderbread version 2.0.

Personally I prefer this because it has asexuality on it, which includes me! Well technically I'm autosexual; orgasms are nice but the idea of sharing them with anyone else is icky and weird and just plain creepy.

As for the original topic:
Hi! Hope you enjoy it here, we certainly seem to have a decent number of trans folk here so you shouldn't alone.

 

[Darken12]

Here have genderbread version 2.0.

Someone needs to turn this into a flash application where you can set your sliders, pick your labels and then print out a or save a copy with the final result.

Could also benefit from a "questionnaire mode" for people who are questioning, doubting or uneducated on the subjects of gender and sexuality.

 

[ninjaRiv]

You kinda missed my point. I said it was a necessary term.

You also refered to it within the context of narrowing the field. It does the opposite. Sorry, but you want me to go off what you say you meant, not what you actually said.

Bisexuality was first defined in a meaningful way by Kinsey. You are technically correct in that it was used in the VERY late 1800s. However, it was often confused with hermaphroditic. So yeah, not very useful. Kinsey gave the term meaning.

Actually, as a term for "hermaphroditic," it dates back to the early nineteenth century. As a word to refer to liking both sexes it dates back o the late 19th. Kinsey didn't give it a meaningful definition; he gave it a pedantic one. If that's what you want, fine. Just don't pretend otherwise.

This has been such a nice thread so far.

It is. So don't muck it up with falsehoods.

I find it very upsetting when people misrepresent bisexuality.

Then don't do it. You're in the wrong here. Don't get upset that people are using the term wrong when you are those people. Further, if you don't think this sort of thing belongs in this thread, don't bring it in here. I merely replied to what was already brought up by you.

It is a very broad term that encompasses many people.

Well, duh. That's kind of the point. Irony intended, or....

And if you begin stating that bisexuals are limited to only male and female individuals, not intersex or transexual individuals, then I will call you out on bullshit. Because that has nothing at all to do with the definition of bisexual.

Because ponies, right?

I already addressed this, actually. Did you even read what I wrote before arguing with me?

Words can evolve all they want - defined terms are defined terms.

And those defined terms evolve as well. For example, homosexuality and bisexuality are no longer defined as mental disorders.
I find it funny that you are talking "defined terms" as though they're static, and then opting to pull out lack of consensus when it comes to pansexuality, even as there's lack of consensus as to what bisexuality is.

Zachary, are you starting fights again? Stop it, they're simple definitions and both of you have it basically right. Stop it. Both of you. This isn't a fighting thread.

 

[ninjaRiv]

Also, welcome to the Escapist, Transgendered Gamer!

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

Here have genderbread version 2.0.

Someone needs to turn this into a flash application where you can set your sliders, pick your labels and then print out a or save a copy with the final result.

Could also benefit from a "questionnaire mode" for people who are questioning, doubting or uneducated on the subjects of gender and sexuality.

Horray! Yes, I was wondering why the last one didn't include asexual. It seemed like a thing it should have.

It also includes "Self ID" which I think is important. I know at least one transexual individual who chooses to live as the wrong gender with the rest of the world and only expresses their true gender while with friends.

In any case **saves new image to harddrive** - thanks!

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Whoops, that was supposed to be quoted to you! Sorry, clicked on the wrong post. ^^;;

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Although I?d say I?m gynosexual because I?m sexually attracted to femininity regardless of sex and/or underlying genitalia (and also because it just seems to be more accurate catch-all sexuality term, especially when taking into account transsexuality ? not to say that a trans lesbian is straight or anything, but because it assumes too much about the gender of the attracted in the first place, when they might not have a gender at all), I wouldn?t identify as bisexual. Not because I?m in denial or anything, but because I seldom find anything attractive in masculinity (although I find tomboys hot). I?d be more bicurious than actually bisexual. Or maybe I?m just getting my definitions mixed up. *shrugs*

I still feel a bit funny about the term ?pansexual?. I?m probably unqualified to put my opinion on the matter here, but it doesn?t seem different enough from bisexuality to justify a distinction for a separate term. I?ve always said that, practically, you?ll still likely be dating both men and women anyway, so what?s the need for an extra identifier? You might date a transsexual or intersexed person, but it?s not as if a bisexual person can?t do that too and not swap his ?bisexuality card? for a pansexual one based on that. Then again, some people would say that I should just say I?m straight rather than gynosexual because, practically, I will just be dating women.

Basically, what I mean is if bisexuals can be attracted to someone who?s both male and female, how does that suddenly make them pansexual? Or, if I?m attracted to females with masculine genitalia by seeing it as ?the best of both worlds?, what does that make me? Is it a fetish? A ?legitimate? sexuality that we need to make a new term for (there?s ?trans-chaser?, but that?s still lined under ?fetish? and, technically, can be considered derogatory for some)? Or maybe we should just compare it to how some people like chocolate ice cream, some like vanilla, some like strawberry, some like it all mixed together, and some might want to try something new for once. Such is humans and the complexity of their brains.

Not meaning any offence here, but it certainly is fascinating to see just how many transgendered people we have in this community. It's nice to have some diversity.

I'm not LGBT, although I guess I'm a little bicurious.

Variety is the spice of life, after all.

If you ever feel bicurious, best to at least try once. Otherwise, it will annoy you for years.

Perhaps. I'm only seventeen and still a virgin in all respects, but it'd be nice to experiment. Probably when I'm older, I guess.

Not meaning any offence here, but it certainly is fascinating to see just how many transgendered people we have in this community. It's nice to have some diversity.

I'm not LGBT, although I guess I'm a little bicurious.

You couldn't be more inoffensive with that statement. I was pleasantly surprised when I noticed that. One of the reasons I joined, and one of the reasons I stay.

Yeah, cheers. Just thought I might put a little disclaimer just in case.

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Yeah, I've heard some intersex arguments before (prior to me hearing hearing about QUILTBAG, actually, so a couple of years ago at least).

I've heard a lot of arguments about intersex inclusion (for and against) as part of LGBT issues, but here's the thing - I have never once heard FROM anyone intersex (that I know of). I was under the impression that intersex individuals are extremely rare, and that most were surgically modified while very young (babies) to be one or the other (usually due to parental wishes) so that the number of adult intersex individuals was insanely small and thus very difficult to actually gauge on matters of how they wish to be represented.

I personally pretty much avoid getting into arguments either way. If an actual intersex individual wishes to speak to me on the matter, I would welcome it, but until such a person does so, I'm staying FAR out of that one.

Yeah, I have some personal experience there and I'm not hugely comfortable talking about it, even mostly annonomously online, so yeah, it's complicated. I lean towards avoiding the topic and using really specific medical terms if forced. But that's not ideal either, I know.

That said, in general, disorders of sexual development aren't actually all that uncommon (as a group, there are a lot of uncommon specifics under the umbrella) but even aside from the social stigma involved in saying that you have deformed genitals (or chromosomal differences or whatever), a lot of people really hate the term, and don't want to use "intersex" at all either becuase it's not useful (the tiny handful of times I've "come out" to people they pretty much say "uh, so you had a sex change?" and that's not a fun conversation - and apparently answering "fuck, no!" makes people think you're transphobic, but anyway). I understand the people who use use "hermaphrodite", becuase at least people know what that means.

I mean, in an ideal world visibility and whatever would be good, but we're not there, so I'm always more than a little uncomfortable when people through the "I" into the alphabet soup. But I know plenty of people disagree with me, so hey, it's all good, I guess.

No offence, but?what are we meant to call them then? I know labels are stupid and all (I have a friend who doesn?t like the fact that there?s a separate distinction for gay women as ?lesbians?), but they exist for a reason. ?Hermaphrodite? has apparently been deemed offensive?and now ?intersex? is starting to as well, because it?s not 100% accurate for all people with that (rare) condition? But then, a lot of words in the English language aren?t entirely accurate, and change over time. Heck, the aforementioned ?gay? merely began as a word for ?happy?.

It?s like arguing against the term ?black people? because they?re not literally black, they?re brown. But it?s here now, and if I knew anyone that was genuinely offended at being referred to as ?black? as a descriptor (like, say, pointing out the token black guy in a class photo so your friends know who he is), I?d say the burden of sensitivity should be on them, rather than whoever said it in the first place.

Which is why I made that thread a while back offering the inclusion of ?I? into the ?LGBT acronym?. Isn?t it better to increase visibility of intersexed people, even if the term that we already use for them isn?t perfect?

 

[Da Orky Man]

I'm as straight as they come, but I do know that we have a rather large contingent of LGBT members here, and that someone had already linked you to their user group. Hope you find us a good community.

 

[Cpt. Lozan]

I like wearing girly clothing. I'm not sure if that counts as LGBT.

it does unless you live in England, then that's just British culture.


OT: many user groups here that cater to LGBT gamers.


but a real question, what about us gamer that identify ourselves as toasters?


TOASTER GAMERS UNITE!

You identify as a what now? A toaster? I desperately hope there is more to this.

 

[God'sFist]

T here. You'll fit right in.

Unless you happen to be conservative or (Heaven help you) Christian. Unlikely, I know, but it happens. If so, prepare for the inevitable pillorying.

Well to be fair I think the general forums have become more religion friendly/tolerant. I won't speak for R&P though since that place is Hell I think.

OT:Welcome to the escapist newbie! I'm not LGBT myself but there are quite a few members floating about the forums. I'd suggest you join the two user groups posted way above to have easier access to the other users like yourself. But please also visit the forums
Diversity is awesome and we always need new personalities and opinions
Hope you have a good time!

Oh and stay away from the basement and if you see a red button somewhere remember to click it! You get a special shiny badge for clicking the red button

actually we haven't had much discussion over religion over there in quite awhile now it's mostly bills that ban x thing because bigotry. No it is not hell in fact we have quite the nice community over there who treat pretty much everyone with respect. the only people who get the short end are mostly conservatives or anti: atheist, bisexual, gay, transsexual, etc.

OT- welcome to the escapist feel free to act and react as you please.

 

[Miss Layton]

Also, welcome to the Escapist, Transgendered Gamer!

Thanks!

 

[Musette]

I guess I technically count as part of the LGBTQ+ alphabet soup, but I've heard my fair share of debate about whether or not my orientation belongs in the group. To be honest, I'm not too bothered either way, because if I wasn't part of the LGBTQ+ as an Asexual, I would be there as an Ally, so I wouldn't even have to change letters.

It took a pretty significant portion of my life before I realized that "straight by default" just wasn't cutting it for me. In fact, a little less than a year ago, I almost started a thread on here asking "what age did you first experience sexual attraction" or some variation of that, but I ended up consulting google instead. I've identified as asexual ever since and now, I find myself really researching into topics like gender, sexuality, and lesser known concepts such as romantic orientation (I'm aromantic as well, in case you're wondering).

Still, I wonder why it never occurred to me to see if there were any LGBTQ+ groups on here? I always considered the Escapist to be pretty friendly to non-heteronormative identities, but never really looked into the actual community on the site, go figure.

 

[Raikas]

No offence, but?what are we meant to call them then? I know labels are stupid and all (I have a friend who doesn?t like the fact that there?s a separate distinction for gay women as ?lesbians?), but they exist for a reason. ?Hermaphrodite? has apparently been deemed offensive?and now ?intersex? is starting to as well, because it?s not 100% accurate for all people with that (rare) condition? But then, a lot of words in the English language aren?t entirely accurate, and change over time. Heck, the aforementioned ?gay? merely began as a word for ?happy?.

It?s like arguing against the term ?black people? because they?re not literally black, they?re brown. But it?s here now, and if I knew anyone that was genuinely offended at being referred to as ?black? as a descriptor (like, say, pointing out the token black guy in a class photo so your friends know who he is), I?d say the burden of sensitivity should be on them, rather than whoever said it in the first place.

Which is why I made that thread a while back offering the inclusion of ?I? into the ?LGBT acronym?. Isn?t it better to increase visibility of intersexed people, even if the term that we already use for them isn?t perfect?

Yeah, I wasn't actually arguing against the term itself - in general I don't really care which one people want to use as long as people know what they're talking about (I sometimes favour "feaky-ass mutant", myself).

What makes me uncomfortable is tossing in the "I" without thinking it through - I'm not saying you (or whoever mentioned it here) did that, but my experience has been that a decent number of GBLT groups want to add the "I" so that when they get into arguements with bigots they can say "Look at these people! It's not so binary!" And that's a fair point, but it also makes me want to point out intersex people don't exist solely for the purposes of proping up someone's arguement about gender/sex binaries.

Because that's what it seems to come down to - outside of that arguement, you mostly see intersex issues brushed off as being in the same group as trans issues, even though the vast majority of intersex people don't have gender identity issues. Not to mention the fact that at an advocacy level, there's more of a connection between intersex advocacy and disablity advocacy than there is with the LGBT model.

And again, I'm not saying there's no connection at all (because obviously a lot of the stigma surrounding it is related to social attitudes about sex and gender), but I just always want to ask about the angle of the inclusion, you know?

 

[holy_secret]

I'm so happy to be part of a community that's so open minded and friendly.
I don't really know what to say. This place brings me joy.

And yeah, I'm a guy who's together with a guy. So welcome and all

 

[Beffudled Sheep_v1legacy]

T here. You'll fit right in.

Unless you happen to be conservative or (Heaven help you) Christian. Unlikely, I know, but it happens. If so, prepare for the inevitable pillorying.

Well to be fair I think the general forums have become more religion friendly/tolerant. I won't speak for R&P though since that place is Hell I think.

OT:Welcome to the escapist newbie! I'm not LGBT myself but there are quite a few members floating about the forums. I'd suggest you join the two user groups posted way above to have easier access to the other users like yourself. But please also visit the forums
Diversity is awesome and we always need new personalities and opinions
Hope you have a good time!

Oh and stay away from the basement and if you see a red button somewhere remember to click it! You get a special shiny badge for clicking the red button

actually we haven't had much discussion over religion over there in quite awhile now it's mostly bills that ban x thing because bigotry. No it is not hell in fact we have quite the nice community over there who treat pretty much everyone with respect. the only people who get the short end are mostly conservatives or anti: atheist, bisexual, gay, transsexual, etc.

OT- welcome to the escapist feel free to act and react as you please.

Really? That is good! Perhaps I just always happen to click on the wrong threads then (a very real possibility). Glad to see things are staying civil in the part of the escapist that usually gets a very bad rap.