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Chancie

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So, I just finished my first Young Adult novel, and I've written a query letter and heavily revised it, so I'll be sending it out to some literary agents within about a week.

It just makes me curious, then. Are there are any published authors on here among the users? What have you written and what are your stories about publishing (that you can talk about)?
 

Vault101

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I bet you'll find a lot more writers than you will published authors..a LOT more

I don't really have much to contribute here other than the fact we all know getting published is hard, especially given the state of the literally industry. Though unlike other people I don't believe self publishing is the new best thing ever, for every "The Martian" you have a million terrible terrible books. Hugh Howey pointed out that 99% of what gets submitted to angent doesn't get picked up, but he fails to acknowledge that 99% of that [i/]is not worth publishing[/i] there is absolutely no doubt that a lot of good even great books get rejected due to circumstance, but Traditional publishing isn't necessarily the big evil monster everyones makes it out to be (I mean yes...it has problems, lots of problems)

as a reader I don't need to read anything self published because traditional has me covered, I understand people looking for more "niche" things (like same sex romance) turn to self publishing or certain imprints (which prompise slightly better quality at least on a technical level)

I did read a romance a while ago...the problem is that while technically passable it falls into those weird "highschool" level pitfalls like announcing every fucking character by their first and last name [i/]"Bugaby McDoogle wondered about her life as washed the dishes, she was really competant and angry all the time[/i] <- oh yeah ANOTHER thing,,, [i/]telling me[/i] what the characters are like over and OVER again rather than..you know showing me. And taking breaks in the paint by numbers "and then this happned" prose to make some kind of metaphor via tanget but it comes across as misplaced rather than clever

point is Writing is a lot harder than people think it is, but unlike a picture you can't tell right at a glance

EDIT: I don't know how that turned into a rant against self publishing I guess that terribly writtern books just piss me off....
 

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It's okay, I feel the exact same way about self publishing. I think majority of the books/writing that is self-published isn't very good, and there's (sadly) a reason the writer had to find a way to publish it themselves. I don't read anything that I know is self-published myself.
 

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self-publishing is not an excuse to forgo the input of a decent editor.
Anyway, I cannot say much more. I've written a novel, and have several others on the go, but honestly, in their present form they are awful, (and aside from the first one, incomplete)

I barely dare show them to anyone at the moment. Let alone try and publish them. (even self-publish)
 

Vault101

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Chancie said:
It's okay, I feel the exact same way about self publishing. I think majority of the books/writing that is self-published isn't very good, and there's (sadly) a reason the writer had to find a way to publish it themselves. I don't read anything that I know is self-published myself.
It doesn't HAVE to be bad, like I'm sure its a perfectly valid platform for the middle of the road genre fiction OR terrible erotica if thats youre thing

its just unless its something thats already got a lot of Buzz or Approval like the martian (christ the martian is actually getting a movie) then its not worth it, I don't want to play editor in my head
CrystalShadow said:
aelf-publishing is not an excuse to forgo the input of a decent editor.
pffffft editors are part of the SYSTEM man!
 

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Vault101 said:
CrystalShadow said:
aelf-publishing is not an excuse to forgo the input of a decent editor.
pffffft editors are part of the SYSTEM man!
Yes... >_>

And we all know the system is corrupt and evil and needs to be killed at all costs and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever...

XD
 

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Ooh, another aspiring writer here.
Good luck with your submission!


As for published authors on the Escapist. Hah, I wish I could call one, just to say there are some on here (well, there might be). Most people on here are roleplayers, and a very few are actual writers, digging for the gold that slumber within their mental vault.

Alas, I am only another aspiring writer, which grew from his roleplaying seedling. Now I'm studying writing at University, and have quite a few ideas. The worst part about this, is that I cannot stop myself from procrastinating.
(If you got any tips on that, that'll be great.)

I'm sure I'll kick myself in the backside, especially since the ideas keep calling back to me.

...

Okay, now I got some motivation, thanks to this thread.
 

James Elmash

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I've got a couple of books published. Amazon Kindle are really good for that sort of thing. But they are better for just getting your work out there than trying to earn money from your writing. Not sure if that counts as self publishing or not, but I've generally had a good experience with it
 

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I'm the son of a published author (only short stories, though) who was a publisher herself for a little while. Never really did too much writing outside of school myself though.
 

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I feel like I've got to defend the self-published route here as well, from the perspective of someone giving it a good go.

See, I'm also sending work to agents and publishers, but as has already been said getting published is hard. To me it makes more sense to give things like Amazon Kindle a go. In the worst case you lose nothing, in the best case you can prove over time that there is an audience for what you are writing.

I'm two books in now with a third to go up shortly. I take it very seriously, and I'd like to point you to a reason for that. The author `David Dalglish`(as one example) got his start thanks to self-publishing on amazon kindle, writing stories about his fantasy world. He got approached by traditional publishers once he built up a reader base.

So that's my advice. Keep doing what you are doing, but don't disregard the opportunity to put your work out there in front of the public now out of hand. It's exposure at the end of the day. And obviously, don't get discouraged. It does take some writers years, but give up at some point and it'll never happen!
 

Vault101

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FoxKitsune said:
to be fair I don't know much about self publishing and I'm not really in a position to judge...I just think some people would jump the gun rather than having the patience to hone their craft a bit rather than swithcing the names on their fan fic saga and slapping a terrible cover on it (although I acknowledge how painfully tedious the query process is)

I don't know..I agree it is just about options and writers shouldn't be limited to (what is now) one very tightly controlled publishing industry
 

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Vault101 said:
FoxKitsune said:
to be fair I don't know much about self publishing and I'm not really in a position to judge...I just think some people would jump the gun rather than having the patience to hone their craft a bit rather than swithcing the names on their fan fic saga and slapping a terrible cover on it (although I acknowledge how painfully tedious the query process is)

I don't know..I agree it is just about options and writers shouldn't be limited to (what is now) one very tightly controlled publishing industry
Quality control's an issue here, sure. Certainly you would hope that these writers have the pride in their work to ensure it's properly proofread, edited and so on and so forth. I totally get why some people aren't willing to wade through all the rubbish to find the gems- though I like to think that the fact you can preview things that look interesting should count for something- and it's a shame that the practice of self-publishing has garnered that reputation. Still, it's not like you couldn't point at a bunch of traditionally published rubbish as well.

All the same, you're totally right. I'm speaking with a lot of bias, of course I am, but we all know there is a lot of rubbish out there (Mine might be included in that, who knows?) but to me taking the chance still seems more proactive than exclusively submitting your work to traditional publishing.
 

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Hi all aspiring writers! Good on you all.

I have technically been published, I have a chapter in a family book and a short story in a University anthology collection, but nothing on my own steam yet. But I can share my own experience with publishers.

After I finished Uni I decided I needed a detox from serious writing and went straight into writing a children's book for 7-9 year olds. This is my experience so far with trying to get published.

I found a blog collecting all of the childrens' publishers in the UK who accept unsolicited manuscripts (a.k.a. writers with no agents) and the list gets smaller every year. This is the same for all publishers. The boom of self-publishing and e-books eats into sales. They don't want to risk new authors.

Because the list's getting smaller, the remaining publishers literally get thousands of manuscripts every week. Literally. Getting an agent will get a foot in the door for you, but getting an agent involves... sending them your manuscript until one says yes. Either way, you have to break that first stage.

But that's okay; you're not up against the thousands. A lot of those simply aren't well-written enough. At the same time, there are hundreds that are very good, and from there it's a matter of, well, what the publisher wants out of a book.

This is something I found hard to wrap my head around when I started getting rejection letters back. You can write a very good, even excellent book, and it will still not get chosen over an excellent book that is a safer buy-in.

Take young adult for example. Publishers do not want to take risks, and rightly so because they have mouths to feed and need to know what they pick will sell. To choose one from all the good options, they start a checklist of things they know succeed today: Is the main character a teen, and do they have a romance subplot? Is there a 'main trio' of friends like in Harry Potter and countless others? These are proven successes, and so books like that will be more likely to get published. Because at a certain point of quality, these are all that separates the stories, and so either you keep sending the manuscript out with your fingers crossed, or you change the story and what you loved about it heavily, which is a point most authors cannot cross. This is the luck element.

(An example: I had to rewrite my whole story because it felt 'old-fashioned', like a mediocre version of Roald Dahl or Winnie the Pooh; what I remember kids books as, instead of what they ARE today. So I bought some modern kids books like Astrosaurs, rewrote mine to be sharper and funnier, changed the 'goal' of the main character to be easier to relate to, that kinda thing. I personally like it more now, but it was hard to decide to do it.)

This whole post is one 'get ready for rejection, and don't worry about it, you're all aces'.

OP, for when you go to submit your manuscript, here's some advice I got from an industry insider (and you can find on blog posts all over the internet): =)

1. There is so much luck involved. Keep keep keep going. I am currently on year 2 for my kid's book and about 20+ publishers tried!
2. Try not to shotgun blast your submission to everyone. Find a book like yours, check who published it or the agent involved, and in your cover letter say you picked that publisher/agent because of that book. Be targeted. And every time you send out a manuscript, change details of it for that person so it doesn't look like a copy / paste job.
3. All publishers have submission guidelines on their site. Do every line exactly. Each publisher will have different quirks they want, and if you don't do one they'll ignore the whole thing. Like I said, thousands to get through!
4. Get feedback wherever you can. Most publishers do not have time. If a publisher does send you a line or two with some advice, consider it carefully. Some editors go that extra mile and will tell you if you should write another draft, or if they had to pass on it for reasons unrelated to quality. Make sure your book is good enough and ask people to read it. It's terrifying, but you will be amazed what you missed.
5. Don't be afraid or dismissive of self-publishing. It is always an option, it just requires a different skillset to do well. I could do a whole other post on that.

And most importantly:

6. Don't stop writing, and keep loving it. Because all that editing and sending out copies takes place over months and months (2-3 months for a response usually), in which time you should be on a new project. Make sure you don't forget what you loved about writing the book.

... Wow, what a block of a post. Hope this was interesting to someone!
 

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Well, I am not a published author, but I did self-publicize a novel when I was 18. The novel was pretty shit, rushed and had enough spelling errors to make a dictionary commit suicide.

But I managed to sell 20 of them at an event, so it had that going for it, which is nice. I also learned what you need in order to beat procrastination - an actual freaking plan that you simply cannot betray, unless your mom ends up in a hospital or something grave as that.
 

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Published? You wonder if I'm published? There's a story behind that...

There was this Swedish manga anthology. Shojo Stars was its name. They published short stories by their readers now and then. The quality was pretty low. I could definitely have written something good enough to be published there. I never got around to it, though. And now the magazine is cancelled because of low sales. Bugs the hell out of me that I missed that chance.
 

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Captain Sunshine said:
This is something I found hard to wrap my head around when I started getting rejection letters back. You can write a very good, even excellent book, and it will still not get chosen over an excellent book that is a safer buy-in.

Take young adult for example. Publishers do not want to take risks, and rightly so because they have mouths to feed and need to know what they pick will sell. To choose one from all the good options, they start a checklist of things they know succeed today: Is the main character a teen, and do they have a romance subplot? Is there a 'main trio' of friends like in Harry Potter and countless others? These are proven successes, and so books like that will be more likely to get published. Because at a certain point of quality, these are all that separates the stories, and so either you keep sending the manuscript out with your fingers crossed, or you change the story and what you loved about it heavily, which is a point most authors cannot cross. This is the luck element.
although this is true wouldn't it work the other way? after a point certain genres and tropes get over saturated so agents/publishers aren't looking for saaaay another paranormal romance or dystopia, I say this also because an actual guest agent on the web series "Booze your own adventure" (by the awesome Lindsey Eils which I HIGHLY recomend) said that, particularly the the dystopian thing because the market changes

personally (I like to write and am not quite to the "want to get published" point cause then I'd have to be more serious) when I think about it if I had to consider what does/doesn't sell while writing that would stress me the fuck out and render unable to write..however if somone came to me [b/]after[/b] and said "this is good but you should change its setting from Australia to Amercia" or whatever then I think I'd be pretty flexible

NEVER romance though, [sub/]never[/sub]
 

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Vault101 said:
although this is true wouldn't it work the other way? after a point certain genres and tropes get over saturated so agents/publishers aren't looking for saaaay another paranormal romance or dystopia, I say this also because an actual guest agent on the web series "Booze your own adventure" (by the awesome Lindsey Eils which I HIGHLY recomend) said that, particularly the the dystopian thing because the market changes

personally (I like to write and am not quite to the "want to get published" point cause then I'd have to be more serious) when I think about it if I had to consider what does/doesn't sell while writing that would stress me the fuck out and render unable to write..however if somone came to me [b/]after[/b] and said "this is good but you should change its setting from Australia to Amercia" or whatever then I think I'd be pretty flexible

NEVER romance though, [sub/]never[/sub]
Oh yeah, absolutely! That one comes down to the publisher, I read quite a few guidelines that said they wanted nothing to do with vampires, please stop with the vampires, please stop making dead things bonk, we are buried under zombie boner manuscripts. Quite a few publishers or agents are good and will actually tell you what kinda things they're looking for and not looking for as the market changes, like I remember reading a couple saying things like 'consider having divorced parents for your main character for the modern child' that were then scribbled out some months later.

Trust me, me too. Stress the fuck out! You absolutely should write for your own reasons. I'm only trying publishing now because I'm happy with how the story turned out after I finished it. 90% of what I put in the book was 'I did it cause I liked the idea and it made me lol'. Not exactly deep, but that's writing, it's deeply personal in silly ways you don't expect.

I think you're right there too, because someone's shown faith that it's good enough, and making that last leap for it doesn't hurt to do.

Also 'booze your own adventure' is an AMAZING title.
 

Vault101

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Captain Sunshine said:
like I remember reading a couple saying things like 'consider having divorced parents for your main character for the modern child' that were then scribbled out some months later.
heh that seems oddly specific

[quote/]Trust me, me too. Stress the fuck out! You absolutely should write for your own reasons. I'm only trying publishing now because I'm happy with how the story turned out after I finished it. 90% of what I put in the book was 'I did it cause I liked the idea and it made me lol'. Not exactly deep, but that's writing, it's deeply personal in silly ways you don't expect.[/quote]
I imagine there are plenty of people who can work within it. I think ultimately whatever people do they have to figure out whats right for them

[quote/]I think you're right there too, because someone's shown faith that it's good enough, and making that last leap for it doesn't hurt to do.[/quote]
true, that and I just think its easier to process if its something to be adjusted after. That said though I would never compromise on

1.making the protagonist (or a significant character) male
2.changing a character's orientation
3. adding a romance

mabye I'm not [i/]less[/i] principled its just those specific ones

[quote/]Also 'booze your own adventure' is an AMAZING title.[/quote]
its a really good show, they sit around drinking

it started out as Lindsey and her friend Nella (and I think their other friend Elsa) deciding to write a YA novel via crowdsourcing (from suggestions by fans). It was to be a satire and they even created this persona author "Serra Elinsen" and everything, a something religious mum who wrote a paranormal YA romance based on Cthulu mythos. They got a bunch of ghost writers and put the thing together and actually queried the thing, then self published. Part of the joke was that Paranormal romance was a dead genre

theyre working on the seaqel and also discussed tropes and trends within the YA genre (and books in general somewhat) also had a bookclub thing going on. Its been on hiatus for a while but the next episode is happening
 

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I'm a published author (NOT self-published).

A publishing house issued a meagre 1,000 copies of my first novel in 2006 (I was 16). Exactly 700 copies were distributed around the country, while I kept 300 for myself, to sell or donate or set aflame. Sales on my end went OK; sales on the other end, not so well. Even when a lot of books were sold I only earned 10% of their value (is that something I'm allowed to discuss publicly? God I don't care anymore), so in all I earned enough to buy one moderately hearty breakfast or two.

I don't have any stories about the whole thing. There were no issues with the book's content, form or length. No big editing decisions were made. There were no clashes, no controversies, nobody had to put their foot down on anything or struggle towards anywhere. I knew a guy who knew a guy, and the latter was OK with publishing so long as the former wrote the prologue. I wrote the book in 2 months and 2 weeks, signed with the editor, it was proof-read and subsequently launched 8 months later at a book fair. My only complaint is that I had no say or opinion on its cover.

Promotion is so important. My one advice is, when you sign a contract with your editor, make absolutely sure you get a good deal in marketing. Make them promise you tours, signing events, a spot at an important book fair, etc. While I wasn't self-published, I was largely self-promoted, which was exhausting and not very effective either way.

These days I suppose self-promoting would be more tolerable. In a way, we're all self-promoting every little thing we do, every minute of the day. My thing was before Facebook and other social media networks were as ubiquitous as they are these days. I'm not saying my book would do any better because of it, but promoting it wouldn't be as taxing.

And that's all I have to say about Vietnam.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
I'm a published author (NOT self-published).

A publishing house issued a meagre 1,000 copies of my first novel in 2006 (I was 16). Exactly 700 copies were distributed around the country, while I kept 300 for myself, to sell or donate or set aflame. Sales on my end went OK; sales on the other end, not so well. Even when a lot of books were sold I only earned 10% of their value (is that something I'm allowed to discuss publicly? God I don't care anymore), so in all I earned enough to buy one moderately hearty breakfast or two.

I don't have any stories about the whole thing. There were no issues with the book's content, form or length. No big editing decisions were made. There were no clashes, no controversies, nobody had to put their foot down on anything or struggle towards anywhere. I knew a guy who knew a guy, and the latter was OK with publishing so long as the former wrote the prologue. I wrote the book in 2 months and 2 weeks, signed with the editor, it was proof-read and subsequently launched 8 months later at a book fair. My only complaint is that I had no say or opinion on its cover.

Promotion is so important. My one advice is, when you sign a contract with your editor, make absolutely sure you get a good deal in marketing. Make them promise you tours, signing events, a spot at an important book fair, etc. While I wasn't self-published, I was largely self-promoted, which was exhausting and not very effective either way.

These days I suppose self-promoting would be more tolerable. In a way, we're all self-promoting every little thing we do, every minute of the day. My thing was before Facebook and other social media networks were as ubiquitous as they are these days. I'm not saying my book would do any better because of it, but promoting it wouldn't be as taxing.

And that's all I have to say about Vietnam.
Wouldn't a healthy alternative be to seek an agent? No guarantee you'll get picked up, of course, just like with a publisher, but it would surely make your end somewhat easier?

Personally I wouldn't recommend self publishing to anyone, since it's shaky ground at best, and a lot of readers are hesitant to try out self published writers. You can always attempt to promote yourself, but unless you're really good at marketing (most writers aren't) I always felt like an agent would be the way to go. We can't all have Neil Gaiman's personality and connections (seriously, the guys freak'n everywhere).