Anyone else find this law stupid (Not about marijuana) ?

[BlackWidower]

Also, no one's holding a gun to your head to do chores if you live on your own.

Exactly. You have to be self reliant. THAT'S what the OP's parents are trying to teach him. The power company isn't going to nag you or 'put a gun to your head'. They'll just cut the power. Better to learn to remember to do shit like that now than later.

That was my point. Of course you still have to do laundry and cook food and feed the cat, but if you don't do them, no one will take $20 from you, you just won't eat.

You have a strange view of education. $20 is obviously a far less serious consequence than being homeless or starving. The point of education is that you learn how to do things by practicing them in safety, and without the risk of dire consequences. Maybe you think the OP's parents should pander to him his whole life, and then throw him out into the world completely unprepared for it.

Whatever. Clearly there's a few people around here that are somewhat resistant to education. That's fine. Life will keep throwing the same lessons at you, with ever increasing consequences, until it sinks in. I just think it's better to do that before leaving the nest, but on your own head be it.

To the OP: I recommend that you talk to your parents, and maybe negotiate some kind of fixed weekly/monthly rate for room and board, including which chores you are and aren't expected to do. And then both you and your parents stick to that agreement. Get it in writing if necessary. I do think $20 per forgotten chore is a bit harsh, but I don't know how long they've been trying to get you to do stuff. Maybe they're a bit pissed off themselves.

Also try to remember, that as put out as you might feel about all this, your problems are fucking nothing compared to what your parents are dealing with, so cut them some slack. Parenting is hard.

So you're saying, if he forgets to do his laundry, he'll end up homeless and starving. In the real world, consequences don't appear that drastically. You might get a notice saying: Pay your rent within the next week. That'll put the fear of god in you and you'll do it. They won't just kick you out the next day!

 

[Baneat]

shit gets serious when we're talking about child actors and others that make huge money

 

[Griffstar]

It's unfair that the people who are letting you live in their house for free and have raised you from your childhood to present day have a say in the money you own?

Adoption and Abortion, and just not having unprotected sex. Some very good choices there. Think about that.

@OP
Just don't let them take your money, I don't see how they are anyways. Do you just leave it in plain sight or what?

 

[icame]

Advocating the beating of someone. Interesting. I would honestly rather get hit then have money taken away. Wounds heal. Money doesn't come back.

You, sir, have a seriously fucked up set of priorities.

How so?

 

[soulsabr]

And tell me, friend, what is it exactly you pay them for the use of their home, consumption of their food, and all the other little things they do and have done for you that you probably have never thanked them for? You'll get no sympathy from this geek.

This is stupid guys, cmon. Your parents shouldnt make you pay them for something they legally have to and chose to do. You are most likley going to take care of them when they are elderly, and the years of love and affection are pricless. I swear to god, society these days. Its all about money.

Yea, well, from reading this guy's responses I don't think he's this loving child who forgets things here and there. Sounds more like the typical kid today who doesn't give a flying flip about what he's putting his parents through so long as everything goes his way. I may have been a spoiled brat as a kid but I did my chores and remembered to do simple things like close the shower curtain. Again, no sympathy here.

 

[FalloutJack]

I'm going to basically say it. I don't care what the law says or doesn't say on the matter. Taking money from someone without consent is stealing, end of story.

 

[TiefBlau]

It's unfair that the people who are letting you live in their house for free and have raised you from your childhood to present day have a say in the money you own?

Adoption and Abortion, and just not having unprotected sex. Some very good choices there. Think about that.

Congratulations, you managed to turn "I think your parents deserve a little respect" to "If you don't like him, you shouldn't have made him."

Totally not a by-product of your own need to justify your unreasonable angsty contempt for your parents. No way.

 

[Griffstar]

It's unfair that the people who are letting you live in their house for free and have raised you from your childhood to present day have a say in the money you own?

Adoption and Abortion, and just not having unprotected sex. Some very good choices there. Think about that.

Congratulations, you managed to turn "I think your parents deserve a little respect" to "If you don't like him, you shouldn't have made him."

Totally not a by-product of your own need to justify your unreasonable angsty contempt for your parents. No way.

I assumed you were being sarcastic.

 

[soulsabr]

I'm going to basically say it. I don't care what the law says or doesn't say on the matter. Taking money from someone without consent is stealing, end of story.

*cough* taxes *cough*

 

[Trolldor]

I'm going to basically say it. I don't care what the law says or doesn't say on the matter. Taking money from someone without consent is stealing, end of story.

*cough* taxes *cough*

Necessary for the functioning of society.
Not that the minority care nor realise because they're rolling in it.

Also - no, he doesn't owe his parents shit. They chose to fuck like monkeys and pop out a little one, they're responsible to him, for him, because of their choices. He didn't choose to be born, nor did he choose his family.

And, again, could you kindly provide the actual law for us to look at?

 

[FalloutJack]

I'm going to basically say it. I don't care what the law says or doesn't say on the matter. Taking money from someone without consent is stealing, end of story.

*cough* taxes *cough*

Necessary for the functioning of society.
Not that the minority care nor realise because they're rolling in it.

Also - no, he doesn't owe his parents shit. They chose to fuck like monkeys and pop out a little one, they're responsible to him, for him, because of their choices. He didn't choose to be born, nor did he choose his family.

And, again, could you kindly provide the actual law for us to look at?

Basically, what he said.

(Boy, this is alot of roundabout quoting.)

There are alot of unfair laws. If this is one, it should be taken to court and blown out of the water.

 

[manarazer]

Were you aware that they have the right to collect all your money and all the money of their children? They also have to declare your earnings as theirs, meaning you earning money will have them pay higher taxes. As long as you live under their charge, it's acceptable.

Also, I'd like to applaud your parents for actually punishing you in a way you'll learn a lesson. You can't beat the system, deal with it. Or do your chores and stop complaining to the internet about it like you're a martyr.

and yet... I have a lighter, and an alibi. If I ever felt that my human rights were being violated, I would do anything and everything to restore them.

Please note that I would not get angry quickly or without understanding of the situation. However, the moment i realize that I am not being treated as an equal human being and that there is no other solution than violence, I will return those rights through force.

Also, if you knew anything about psychology you would know that intrinsic motivation, and positive reinforcement are much more effective than the negative reinforcement his parents are using - especially when dealing with life lessons as to doing chores.

 

[Deleted]

Is that not called rent?

xxx

It isn't done on a contract so I think not. You can prove me wrong though.

If he's a legal adult, then is it rent without a contract? Also depending on his circumstances, its morally wrong in my opinion. His balls may be a vice metaphorically if he has no money to move out because they've controlled his money supply before he turned 18. I guess that's a cultural difference but my mom expects me to move out once I actually HAVE enough money, or get married, whichever comes first. She thinks its crazy that some parents instantly order rent from their kid when they turned 18. Its like "well you have absolutely no money because we took it all, but also we are asking for MORE money or else you live on the street! LOL"

These kind of threads are always full of people who are so heavily set in the "they were your parents, your rulers, do not question them" side of the issue. Its hard enough to relate to someone's circumstances, so when you draw conclusions from looking at your own life, the answer is most of the time WRONG.
"well my parents took my money from me as rent and I turned out fine so you should as well!" This is something they might think, and its oversimplifying it. Sure they took rent but was the amount the same? Were the parents of the same attitude about it as OP's? Do you have the same opinion on how parent-child relationships should work? (hint: you don't)
People are so quick to judge teenagers or children simply because they're older then them. Its happened to them, now they're on top and can dish out what's they suffered through. Some sort of twisted definition of equality. "How dare you defy your parents you're just a stupid teenager!" this draws on the idea that since we learn as we get older, we are always dumber the younger we are. You can see it in your fashion tastes "god I was such an idiot wearing tube socks!" so you project that onto someone else saying "they'll realize they're wrong and I'm right, because I am better after all..."

sorry for the rant but I think some people need to read this.

 

[soulsabr]

*snip*

*cough* taxes *cough*

Necessary for the functioning of society.
Not that the minority care nor realise because they're rolling in it.

Also - no, he doesn't owe his parents shit. They chose to fuck like monkeys and pop out a little one, they're responsible to him, for him, because of their choices. He didn't choose to be born, nor did he choose his family.

And, again, could you kindly provide the actual law for us to look at?

First, it is legal in quite a few locations including here. If you are really that interested kindly use google or go to your local government's website and read up. If you don't like it then vote for somebody who will change the laws or run for office yourself. Second, the "I didn't choose the be born" argument is beyond old, beyond annoying, and simply a waste of time. Lots of people don't choose to be injured, killed, bankrupted, kidnapped, forced to dance at a friend's party, or leave their room; stuff happens.

 

[Gladiateher]

I'm gonna have to side with your parents on this one. I have a dog and he isn't supposed to leave the yard, if he gets too close to the edge of the yard his collar beeps. If he proceeds further he gets a zap. He learned quickly that the yard is the place to be and now he doesn't have to wear the collar anymore. Figure out where your yard is and your parents will remove your collar.

 

[silversnake4133]

Sorry dude but, it's your parent's house that you're living in, therefore they make the rules, and you can't really legally protest because you are a minor. While it's true that you have earned that money at your job and they technically shouldn't be able to take it away from you (without a proper cause), it's not a crime because you are listed as a "dependent" on your parent's tax forms. Besides, they provide you with shelter, clothing, food, sanitary living conditions and an education, I think the least you could do for them is a few chores around the house.

EDIT: Wow, I've read quite a few pages of this topic, and I must say it's quite depressing.

 

[manarazer]

Is that not called rent?

xxx

It isn't done on a contract so I think not. You can prove me wrong though.

If he's a legal adult, then is it rent without a contract? Also depending on his circumstances, its morally wrong in my opinion. His balls may be a vice metaphorically if he has no money to move out because they've controlled his money supply before he turned 18. I guess that's a cultural difference but my mom expects me to move out once I actually HAVE enough money, or get married, whichever comes first. She thinks its crazy that some parents instantly order rent from their kid when they turned 18. Its like "well you have absolutely no money because we took it all, but also we are asking for MORE money or else you live on the street! LOL"

These kind of threads are always full of people who are so heavily set in the "they were your parents, your rulers, do not question them" side of the issue. Its hard enough to relate to someone's circumstances, so when you draw conclusions from looking at your own life, the answer is most of the time WRONG.
"well my parents took my money from me as rent and I turned out fine so you should as well!" This is something they might think, and its oversimplifying it. Sure they took rent but was the amount the same? Were the parents of the same attitude about it as OP's? Do you have the same opinion on how parent-child relationships should work? (hint: you don't)
People are so quick to judge teenagers or children simply because they're older then them. Its happened to them, now they're on top and can dish out what's they suffered through. Some sort of twisted definition of equality. "How dare you defy your parents you're just a stupid teenager!" this draws on the idea that since we learn as we get older, we are always dumber the younger we are. You can see it in your fashion tastes "god I was such an idiot wearing tube socks!" so you project that onto someone else saying "they'll realize they're wrong and I'm right, because I am better after all..."

sorry for the rant but I think some people need to read this.

well said. However my father had a solution to this, I'm Canadian though so it may be different where you live. My father joined the military at 18, strict rules but you aren't homeless/ dead. After basic training he decided to quit and become an engineer, and somehow with no prior savings was able to succeed in life.

The world outside your parents home is not as harsh as people think, you have options and will not be subjected to the sole conclusion of becoming homeless. That is, so long as your not so lazy and inexperianced at life as to not know how to live on your own. People need to learn how to be independent so that they have a choice, if you can't make your own food, clean your own cloths, and work life isn't going to be all sunshine.

 

[Tenky]

Were you aware that they have the right to collect all your money and all the money of their children? They also have to declare your earnings as theirs, meaning you earning money will have them pay higher taxes. As long as you live under their charge, it's acceptable.

Also, I'd like to applaud your parents for actually punishing you in a way you'll learn a lesson. You can't beat the system, deal with it. Or do your chores and stop complaining to the internet about it like you're a martyr.

and yet... I have a lighter, and an alibi. If I ever felt that my human rights were being violated, I would do anything and everything to restore them.

Please note that I would not get angry quickly or without understanding of the situation. However, the moment i realize that I am not being treated as an equal human being and that there is no other solution than violence, I will return those rights through force.

Also, if you knew anything about psychology you would know that intrinsic motivation, and positive reinforcement are much more effective than the negative reinforcement his parents are using - especially when dealing with life lessons as to doing chores.

It's not a matter of rights or abuse... or equality! Children are not equal to adults... (well... some I'll grant you that... but another case altogheter) but treating a child as an equal or friend is a dangerous thing, it makes all notions or authority seem pointless, and respect for hierachy meaninless. The pack leaders (I believe it's the work of both parents, or single if applicable) need to make their place and position clear. It's their houses, their rules. To stay there conditions must be met (chores), or consequences will be dealt! It's not like we're the in the 30's anymore where you had to harvest in the field anyways!

I'm not saying to punish for the sake of punishing... but in the case of the OP... clearly all we should say is: "You have the obvious anwser to how you can avoid having your money taken away... just do it instead of asking for sympathy and ways to get out of the issue just for the sake of not letting the parents win!"