Anyone else tired of reading articles about Batman because of "those" comments?

[WashingMachineofDoom]

Eh if Batman was gay with superman, aqua man, green arrow, I'd not care, it's just that Robin is a lot younger then him so it's really creepy and creeps me out.

Although since Batman did have a kid with Ras Al Ghul's daughter, and he's had sex with poison ivy (little did she now that was Bruce under the mask), and other ladies, that it seems unlikely he is gay. I bring this up now instead of last night is because last night I was severally lacking in self confidence, and this morning I woke up with some self confidence renewed.

 

[Tsukuyomi]

*shrugs* It's just how it seems is all. From the way he's been written, I don't think Bruce cares much about sexuality in any fashion outside of the occasional fling as Bruce. His war is what consumes him and his war as what drives him. Little else. People can take panels out of context and whatnot, and they can make assumptions and guesses and that's fine I suppose.

But here's the kicker: It doesn't really matter.

Why? Because at the end of the day, gay or not, EVERYONE will go see the next Batman film. People will flock to Arkham City and then retroactively try to find Asylum so they can play it if they haven't. At the end of the day he'll still be awesome, whatever a bunch of panels ripped out of context from old-school batman comics and read probably too far into say. Yes, the concept is absurd, and yes, to some people, it may seem like he's gay for supposedly obvious reasons. Realistically....who cares? Why does it matter? When I read a Batman comic I don't see this guy as being gay in the least. Same with Harry Potter and the Dumbledore business. When I look at those two characters I see an obsessed magnificent grimdark bastard, and an old, slightly quirky, very wise old man. Their sexuality, whatever it is if it even exists, doesn't even enter into it for me. Nor do I think it should for anyone. If you like it, like it. If you don't, you don't. Plain and simple.

OP, don't get depressed about comments like that. Typically I think it's from people trying to be funny and apparently the apex of their humor level is claiming that people other people like are gay for shock value or somesuch. Ignore them. Yes, some people have a constructive argument for it and that's fine. But typically those folks don't rub it in everyone's face I think, so there's a difference.

 

[Zoomy]

I honestly don't think they're gay at all; I mean, going by the one thing of Batman I've had proper contact with (The Dark Knight), he's quite safely straight or else he wouldn't be in love with Rachel.

There is a theory among batman-philes (such as myself) that the Dark Night is a homosexual.

The theory goes that a mask can change a lot of things and while Bruce Wayne is straight, his alter-ego is in fact gay.

Maybe Batman/Bruce Wayne is a bisexual. Everyone seems to forget that possibility.

 

[SpaceBat]

I don't actually think anyone believes batman is into young boys, but it is an easy target. I personally find the idea of the dark knight bringing a small child into combat rather odd and out of character, but that is another subject.

Indeed. When I think of Batman, I think of a watchful guardian, willing to do what others won't. A loner, a creature of the night, emotionally broken, dark et cetera. Not some guy who teams up with a small boy with an odd choice of clothing in a secret underground cave and fights crime.

 

[WashingMachineofDoom]

@Tsukuyomi and @Spacebat
Both things you folks said cheered me up, thanks!

@Zoomy
He could be bisexual, that it'd be fine as long as it's NOT with under aged people that are obviously a lot younger then him.

Still now that I'm feeling better, and I looked back at some Batman stuff I can say I don't get the gay with Robin vibe, I mean his parents were shot and he had Alfred take care of him, and be there threw all his hard times, then they needed a character kids could relate to so they had basically the same thing happen, a kid's parents die via crime, but instead Batman takes them in and is their mentor, and helps them to get justice on those who killed his family. While being a Boss with the ladies.
Thanks all for renewing my confidence in Batman, I have tried to make a thread like this before, trying to renew my confidence about something, the feedback usually left me more depressed then before I made topic I was trying to have my faith renewed in, so I really do appreciate the positive feed back.

 

[Tsukuyomi]

I don't actually think anyone believes batman is into young boys, but it is an easy target. I personally find the idea of the dark knight bringing a small child into combat rather odd and out of character, but that is another subject.

Indeed. When I think of Batman, I think of a watchful guardian, willing to do what others won't. A loner, a creature of the night, emotionally broken, dark et cetera. Not some guy who teams up with a small boy with an odd choice of clothing in a secret underground cave and fights crime.

Both good points, however I think the explanation lies less in the makeup of the character and more between the 'it was a good idea at the time' bit and a publicity stunt.

See, to me the premise is fairly simple: Every work of fiction has something or someone that, by a short or long stretch, the audience is meant to project onto. For comics I suspect this was/is a particularly strong sicking point. However I'd imagine that back when Robin was made, the idea was that kids might not be able to relate to Batman himself very well, but imagining themselves as the kid sidekick...THAT'S a much shorter leap. Add onto that that it made them a double-act, which opens up new venues of writing in both serious and humorous moments, well, the two-man show just worked. Of course that all changed once Jason came along, but that's another story for another time.

My point is merely that while those are good and valid points, I think mostly what Robin was at the time he was created was a publishing/marketing ploy. He was a character kids could project onto to really get themselves into the story.

 

[WashingMachineofDoom]

If anyone is at all curious to find out what got me so worked up to make this thread was finally the comments on this http://gear.ign.com/articles/119/1196728p1.html
and someone posting this link in the comments http://www.thetoyzone.com/2008/the-truth-about-batman-and-his-tight-leather-suit/

(Insert some clever comment and/or clever comeback here)

Ya I know it may seem stupid to you folks, but I'm overly serious and take offense rather easily sadly.

 

[ace_of_something]

It's just a joke brah. Like people pointing out how shaggy from scooby doo always had the 'munchies.'

Can you deny it?

I was hoping someone would link to superdickery.

 

[ace_of_something]

It's just a joke brah. Like people pointing out how shaggy from scooby doo always had the 'munchies.' .

That's actually based on something. According to the original producer of the show, Shaggy was a 60s beatnik, based on a character Gilligan played on another show. While any obviously drug use wouldn't be tollerated on a kiddy show by the censors, it sure would be part of the expectations of the model.

My cartoon Trivia is clearly not up to snuff. That doesn't change my point that [a href=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications]Unfortunate Implications[/a] exist and need to be taken with a grain of salt. Purposeful or not they can often be hilarious. It's nothing to get worked up about.

 

[WashingMachineofDoom]

I think its pathetic that people feel the need to bring in that old horrid sterotype of a gay man who can't keep his hands off his male child. I don't doubt there was some of that in the early days of Batman when everyone "knew" that no boy was safe with one of those sick and pervy gay guys, but still it continues today? Sad people, very sad.

Robin was his ward, its both illegal and immoral. It was a father/son relationship except in the minds of perverted and/or bigotted people.

Thanks. If anyone brings up the joke around me, I'll use the last part, how Batman and Robin are only Father and Son, and are gay only in the minds of perverted and/or bigoted people.

I really do appreciate most of the feedback on this thread. Made my day better, plus I'll probably pre-order Arkham City now.

 

[Hollock]

He's totally having sex with his son! And I'm sure that While Dick Was batman and Damien was his Robin it was all just dirty revenge. And I'm sure while he had a girl robin he was just lost and confused and scared. And I'm sure that the reason Jason is so crazy now is because he didn't like all teh gaynezz of batman cuz hes cool and uses gunz n shit. And I'm sure that Tim was ju0000000000000000101 010 001111 111 0110101 0001010000-

[sub]the people who say that Batmans gay have never read batman comics[/sub]

Batman and Robin are only Father and Son, and are gay only in the minds of perverted and/or bigoted people.

he's literally his son now.

 

[ComicsAreWeird]

Dont think they´re gay. At least i dont want to think that Batman has any kind of sexual relationship with the current Robin, since he´s like...his son. Ewwwwww.

 

[WashingMachineofDoom]

He's totally having sex with his son! And I'm sure that While Dick Was batman and Damien was his Robin it was all just dirty revenge. And I'm sure while he had a girl robin he was just lost and confused and scared. And I'm sure that the reason Jason is so crazy now is because he didn't like all teh gaynezz of batman cuz hes cool and uses gunz n shit. And I'm sure that Tim was ju0000000000000000101 010 001111 111 0110101 0001010000-

[sub]the people who say that Batmans gay have never read batman comics[/sub]

Batman and Robin are only Father and Son, and are gay only in the minds of perverted and/or bigoted people.

he's literally his son now.

Wait update, I just saw the tiny text, and I see you were just trying to sound like a typical idiot that starts up fights on the topic, to prove a point of how stupid those people sound, so I apologize.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Because all men who hang around together must be gay - otherwise men would have feelings apart from love and hate - and then where would all the media stereotypes be?

Look at this guy:

13 men hanging around together? All of them must be gay!

Except...that means being gay is actually more holy than being straight. OMG!!!!!!!

[sub]SATIRE[/sub]

 

[vortexgods]

Back in the 50's when the government tried to ban comics, one of the guys who was egging them on was Dr. Frederick Wertham. He was the one who started the whole, Batman and Robin are gay rumor, because he wanted to turn as many conservative 50's parents against comic books as he could and that was one way to do it.

He got a lot of comics taken off of the markets in the end, but he didn't defeat Batman.

Now, personally, I've never liked it when, in the actual comics like Arkham Asylum and Dark Knight Returns they imply that Joker is gay for Batman. I think that has more to do with the authors of those comics own sexual hangups and doesn't work with the history of the two characters. (Frank Miller seems to have a problem with homosexuality, see also the 300.)

 

[The Grim Ace]

Basically, every time we see two guys with a close relationship in fiction now, we always call them gay. I'm not saying there isn't subtext that could raise some eyebrows (re: the Batman comics of the 60's) but, for the most part, masked kicker of asses with a less masked kicker of less asses. Then again, maybe it's all because there still aren't many gay couples in popular modern fiction (or at least any I can think of off the top of my head).

 

[DAPLAGUE]

Gay or not he is the Goddamn Batman and even if he was it wouldn't matter cause he's awesome either way.