Anyone know whatever happened to the "Dongle" lady?

[Uhura]

It is what I may call a "Rebecca Watson dilemma" with her quotes about how guys that have no interest in feminism are worse than rape threats or how being asked out for coffee is sexual harassment. Saying that shit harms women. It literally states that a lack of interest in what she has to say is worse than the threat of rape and that saying some one is interesting and you want coffee is harassment.

Have you actually witnessed her saying either of those things or are you just regurgitating the talking points other people make online? Because your little write-up here about Rebecca Watson severely misrepresents the points she actually made.

 

[DANEgerous]

It is what I may call a "Rebecca Watson dilemma" with her quotes about how guys that have no interest in feminism are worse than rape threats or how being asked out for coffee is sexual harassment. Saying that shit harms women. It literally states that a lack of interest in what she has to say is worse than the threat of rape and that saying some one is interesting and you want coffee is harassment.

Have you actually witnessed her saying either of those things or are you just regurgitating the talking points other people make online? Because your little write-up here about Rebecca Watson severely misrepresents the points she actually made.

They are direct quotes from her videos. I have not watched them in a while but I do not recall her validating said comments, I never really got into the whole crowd against her I just found her to be kind of toxic and ignored her.

 

[Uhura]

They are direct quotes from her videos. I have not watched them in a while but I do not recall her validating said comments, I never really got into the whole crowd against her I just found her to be kind of toxic and ignored her.

Actually they are not direct quotes from her videos. I know, because I just watched both videos in question. She never said that the elevator guy was sexually harassing her. She said it made her feel incredibly uncomfortable to get hit on when she was alone in the middle of the night in a foreign country (especially after she just had given a speech how that kind of behaviour makes her feel uncomfortable). At no point did she say that this was sexual harassment.

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Relevant point 4:20 - 5:50

You misrepresented also her second point. In her video she talks specifically about the harassment and rape threats she has received over the years. To her, the people who tell her to stfu about that stuff are worse than the people who have sent her rape threats. And there is nothing radical about what she said. Many people feel that it is easier to brush aside threats and insults thrown at you by trolls and assholes because what more you could expect from them. Getting dismissal and "stfu" responses from the supposed normal/good people is more disappointing because you would think they were better than that.

She didn't talk about people who "have no interest in feminism" or people who "lack of interest in what she has to say". She specifically talks about people who comment on her youtube videos and tell her to stop talking about things they don't want to hear about (harassment/feminsims etc.).

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[MysticSlayer]

Terrible to think her 15 minutes would make her unemployable... The story wasn't that large was it? I mean it's not like it was on CNN.

It's possible that she's kept her latest job off the radar so to speak. It would make sense considering the threats that were going around.

Unfortunately it's also possible that you're right; she might have been viewed as controversial back then. Still, she's on Twitter, and I hope she's not putting up a false face for the benefit of her followers there.

I mean heres a question, does anyone still care anymore?

Well, most people probably don't care, but employers might be turned off by her behavior from then. If causing trouble through Twitter is her way of resolving "conflicts", then many employers may view her as a liability to the company, as she may make it look bad and/or cause trust issues among the employees.

 

[DANEgerous]

They are direct quotes from her videos. I have not watched them in a while but I do not recall her validating said comments, I never really got into the whole crowd against her I just found her to be kind of toxic and ignored her.

Actually they are not direct quotes from her videos. I know, because I just watched both videos in question. She never said that the elevator guy was sexually harassing her. She said it made her feel incredibly uncomfortable to get hit on when she was alone in the middle of the night in a foreign country (especially after she just had given a speech how that kind of behaviour makes her feel uncomfortable). At no point did she say that this was sexual harassment.

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Relevant point 4:20 - 5:50

You misrepresented also her second point. In her video she talks specifically about the harassment and rape threats she has received over the years. To her, the people who tell her to stfu about that stuff are worse than the people who have sent her rape threats. And there is nothing radical about what she said. Many people feel that it is easier to brush aside threats and insults thrown at you by trolls and assholes because what more you could expect from them. Getting dismissal and "stfu" responses from the supposed normal/good people is more disappointing because you would think they were better than that.

She didn't talk about people who "have no interest in feminism" or people who "lack of interest in what she has to say". She specifically talks about people who comment on her youtube videos and tell her to stop talking about things they don't want to hear about (harassment/feminsims etc.).

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I don't know I re-watched them I hold to my points. Sure she does not outright say the first point is harassment but damn is it ever implied. The second one I have to say just stands. Sorry, we can agree to disagree but that is it.

 

[ForumSafari]

what bothers me about this is sexism in the tech industry is a very real and insidious problem, I'm not one to tell people how they should feel but this kind of made a joke of it, distracting from worse sexism and brought all the slimy sexists out the woodwork

Not being funny but most of what the average person considers to be the tech industry isn't. It's generally a part of the journalism industry that happens to be in the market of talking about tech. This was a journalism related whoopsie rather than a tech one.

 

[DANEgerous]

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I do apologize they are not direct quotes I misspoke there but if you want to see if the sentiment or message differs the videos are just above the post you made in the spoiler boxes, if you read my reply you can see what I think about the subject. So yeah watch her say that if you must, she does if you ask me.

 

[Qizx]

At best, she displayed a complete inability to keep situations in perspective and act like a mature adult, and at worst she acted like a self-righteous ***** from hell who made mountains out of molehills specifically to garner attention for herself and tarnished the name of feminism worldwide, costing herself and several others their jobs for no real gain... Absolute self-absorbed *****, through and through. I wouldn't ever hire her. She wouldn't be worthy of representing my company at any event, even if she somehow learned to keep her fucking mouth shut. Just a despicable human being, determined to spread misery to all around her at any cost.

the nuclear option

Just as a reminder, everyone, Adria Richards' response to the guys making jokes was to post a picture of them on Twitter. That's it. That was the "nuclear option." A tweet. Not a tweet calling for them to be fired, just a tweet saying that she didn't think it was appropriate.

Speaking of ludicrous over-exaggerations...

It is what I may call a "Rebecca Watson dilemma" with her quotes about how guys that have no interest in feminism are worse than rape threats or how being asked out for coffee is sexual harassment.

I'm sure you won't mind providing a source for those "quotes."

Bad at quoting on this site but: She tweeted a picture of them with a caption no? And it was highly unflattering? And then when it came to light rather than saying "now let's all calm down, it was a stupid joke etc." it just spiraled out of control. I have no remorse for her, posting a picture of two random people online without their permission with negative captions isn't an innocent action.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

It's unclear. Her LinkedIn account I mean. Last job update was in 2013, around the time of Donglegate I imagine. She's still active though, on Twitter at least. Seems she takes speaking engagements now.

Dear God I hate LinkedIn. Look what you made me do! Now I have to wash away the grime of LinkedIn with a picture of that cute dog that was raised with cats and therefore thinks it's a cat.

Spoiler: Ahhhhh.

Awwwww.
[/spoiler][/QUOTE]

Terrible to think her 15 minutes would make her unemployable... The story wasn't that large was it? I mean it's not like it was on CNN.[/quote]

At best, she displayed a complete inability to keep situations in perspective and act like a mature adult, and at worst she acted like a self-righteous ***** from hell who made mountains out of molehills specifically to garner attention for herself and tarnished the name of feminism worldwide, costing herself and several others their jobs for no real gain.

She had a history of brewing social media shitstorms over non-issues even before donglegate, and her gloating over getting one of the guys fired on her website is what sealed the deal for me. Absolute self-absorbed *****, through and through. I wouldn't ever hire her. She wouldn't be worthy of representing my company at any event, even if she somehow learned to keep her fucking mouth shut. Just a despicable human being, determined to spread misery to all around her at any cost.[/quote]

This, I agree with this SO much. Two guys said a stupid joke to each other, she overheard it, flipped shit, got them fired for it. Now if the joke had been REALLY REALLY bad maybe then it's warranted (I mean something along the lines of "Wow she needs a good raping" or something that bad) but as it stands she overreacted horribly. Should they have made the joke? Probably not, but that being said people technically shouldn't be making ANY jokes at a serious business event.

If what was said about her starting other shitstorms before this is true, she seemed to be a professional shitstorm starter.[/quote]

I have to point out that "She needs a good raping" is not a joke in any sense... well maybe shock humour, I'd imagine hearing it in conversation I would chuckle and go "WAT?!" cause that's skipping quite a few levels in reaction straight into supernova.

[QUOTE=MysticSlayer][QUOTE=SaneAmongInsane][QUOTE=FizzyIzze][QUOTE=SaneAmongInsane]

Terrible to think her 15 minutes would make her unemployable... The story wasn't that large was it? I mean it's not like it was on CNN.[/QUOTE]
It's possible that she's kept her latest job off the radar so to speak. It would make sense considering the threats that were going around.

Unfortunately it's also possible that you're right; she might have been viewed as controversial back then. Still, she's on Twitter, and I hope she's not putting up a false face for the benefit of her followers there.[/quote]

I mean heres a question, does anyone still care anymore?[/quote]

Well, most people probably don't care, but employers might be turned off by her behavior from then. If causing trouble through Twitter is her way of resolving "conflicts", then many employers may view her as a liability to the company, as she may make it look bad and/or cause trust issues among the employees.[/quote]

Ah this makes sense. Today it's dongles but hire her and who knows?

[QUOTE=Windknight][QUOTE=SaneAmongInsane]
but the jerk off motion? That's sexist now? I mean it's crass to be sure, and not appropriate for a 9 year old regardless of age but that supports the male patriarchy? Maybe I'm missing the point, which is just as likely.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't exactly make women feel welcome when your demonstration is basically whacking off in front of them.[/quote]

Now hold on a second, do we really have to genderize that?

I mean walking down an empty hallway, theres one bloke walking along and as he does he's miming jerking off or giving a blow job to the air.

I think regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, that is going to make you feel uncomfortable.

but I'm also imagining the device was something like Travis Touchdown's saber, ya know. He recharged it by jerking it off.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

At best, she displayed a complete inability to keep situations in perspective and act like a mature adult, and at worst she acted like a self-righteous ***** from hell who made mountains out of molehills specifically to garner attention for herself and tarnished the name of feminism worldwide, costing herself and several others their jobs for no real gain... Absolute self-absorbed *****, through and through. I wouldn't ever hire her. She wouldn't be worthy of representing my company at any event, even if she somehow learned to keep her fucking mouth shut. Just a despicable human being, determined to spread misery to all around her at any cost.

the nuclear option

Just as a reminder, everyone, Adria Richards' response to the guys making jokes was to post a picture of them on Twitter. That's it. That was the "nuclear option." A tweet. Not a tweet calling for them to be fired, just a tweet saying that she didn't think it was appropriate.

Speaking of ludicrous over-exaggerations...

It is what I may call a "Rebecca Watson dilemma" with her quotes about how guys that have no interest in feminism are worse than rape threats or how being asked out for coffee is sexual harassment.

I'm sure you won't mind providing a source for those "quotes."

Bad at quoting on this site but: She tweeted a picture of them with a caption no? And it was highly unflattering? And then when it came to light rather than saying "now let's all calm down, it was a stupid joke etc." it just spiraled out of control. I have no remorse for her, posting a picture of two random people online without their permission with negative captions isn't an innocent action.

mmm I had forgotten.

Ya know, come to think of it, it's really not fair to blame her for getting the folks fired. She just posted a picture. The obnoxious internet horde were really the ones to do it. Then another horde got her fired.

Basically, we're the real monsters here.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

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Granted but, yeah these guys tended to be rather persistent. This was not a passing joke where as the incident mentioned definitely was so good point overall and it brings up a bit of a mine field being that a joke like the one made getting attention undermines sexism. One woman found a harmless joke offensive threw a fit and people called her over reaction what it was so they got fired. Meanwhile people that actually intend to offend women get this boys will be boys bullshit. It is what I may call a "Rebecca Watson dilemma" with her quotes about how guys that have no interest in feminism are worse than rape threats or how being asked out for coffee is sexual harassment. Saying that shit harms women. It literally states that a lack of interest in what she has to say is worse than the threat of rape and that saying some one is interesting and you want coffee is harassment "Donglegate" falls into the same category. When you label a joke as harassment you invoke and often overlook actual harassment.

I mean even if they were persistent, they were speaking amongst each other as friends. It's not like they say down and said "Oy! Lets make everyone around us feel uncomfortable! HWA HA HA HA HA HA!"

And I'd like to think no one does.

 

[Qizx]

It's unclear. Her LinkedIn account I mean. Last job update was in 2013, around the time of Donglegate I imagine. She's still active though, on Twitter at least. Seems she takes speaking engagements now.

Dear God I hate LinkedIn. Look what you made me do! Now I have to wash away the grime of LinkedIn with a picture of that cute dog that was raised with cats and therefore thinks it's a cat.

Spoiler: Ahhhhh.

Awwwww.
[/spoiler][/QUOTE]

Terrible to think her 15 minutes would make her unemployable... The story wasn't that large was it? I mean it's not like it was on CNN.[/quote]

At best, she displayed a complete inability to keep situations in perspective and act like a mature adult, and at worst she acted like a self-righteous ***** from hell who made mountains out of molehills specifically to garner attention for herself and tarnished the name of feminism worldwide, costing herself and several others their jobs for no real gain.

She had a history of brewing social media shitstorms over non-issues even before donglegate, and her gloating over getting one of the guys fired on her website is what sealed the deal for me. Absolute self-absorbed *****, through and through. I wouldn't ever hire her. She wouldn't be worthy of representing my company at any event, even if she somehow learned to keep her fucking mouth shut. Just a despicable human being, determined to spread misery to all around her at any cost.[/quote]

This, I agree with this SO much. Two guys said a stupid joke to each other, she overheard it, flipped shit, got them fired for it. Now if the joke had been REALLY REALLY bad maybe then it's warranted (I mean something along the lines of "Wow she needs a good raping" or something that bad) but as it stands she overreacted horribly. Should they have made the joke? Probably not, but that being said people technically shouldn't be making ANY jokes at a serious business event.

If what was said about her starting other shitstorms before this is true, she seemed to be a professional shitstorm starter.[/quote]

I have to point out that "She needs a good raping" is not a joke in any sense... well maybe shock humour, I'd imagine hearing it in conversation I would chuckle and go "WAT?!" cause that's skipping quite a few levels in reaction straight into supernova.

[QUOTE=MysticSlayer][QUOTE=SaneAmongInsane][QUOTE=FizzyIzze][QUOTE=SaneAmongInsane]

Terrible to think her 15 minutes would make her unemployable... The story wasn't that large was it? I mean it's not like it was on CNN.[/QUOTE]
It's possible that she's kept her latest job off the radar so to speak. It would make sense considering the threats that were going around.

Unfortunately it's also possible that you're right; she might have been viewed as controversial back then. Still, she's on Twitter, and I hope she's not putting up a false face for the benefit of her followers there.[/quote]

I mean heres a question, does anyone still care anymore?[/quote]

Well, most people probably don't care, but employers might be turned off by her behavior from then. If causing trouble through Twitter is her way of resolving "conflicts", then many employers may view her as a liability to the company, as she may make it look bad and/or cause trust issues among the employees.[/quote]

Ah this makes sense. Today it's dongles but hire her and who knows?

[QUOTE=Windknight][QUOTE=SaneAmongInsane]
but the jerk off motion? That's sexist now? I mean it's crass to be sure, and not appropriate for a 9 year old regardless of age but that supports the male patriarchy? Maybe I'm missing the point, which is just as likely.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't exactly make women feel welcome when your demonstration is basically whacking off in front of them.[/quote]

Now hold on a second, do we really have to genderize that?

I mean walking down an empty hallway, theres one bloke walking along and as he does he's miming jerking off or giving a blow job to the air.

I think regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, that is going to make you feel uncomfortable.

but I'm also imagining the device was something like Travis Touchdown's saber, ya know. He recharged it by jerking it off.[/quote]

I meant it more as some example of something horrendous. Not saying it was a joke just an example of how bad I think something would have to be to get fired for someone overhearing a private comment.

 

[AuronFtw]

Speaking of ludicrous over-exaggerations...

Remember a time, not so long ago, when the mature thing to do in a situation like that is to be... uh, mature? Ask them to be quiet, tell them that they're distracting you and interfering with your experience. The vast majority of the time, that's all it takes. If they're absolute pond scum and continue their behavior, you report them (...privately, it shouldn't even have to be said but in Adria Richard's case, it has to be) to event staff and get them removed (both the event staff and the company they're representing will be very interested to hear about insistent bad behavior; event staff can prevent that company from sending reps to future events, and the companies want to avoid that at all cost, so they often punish those responsible or make sure they never rep at events again).

At NO POINT do you take a picture of them, post a misleading/out of context quote on your twitter profile, and attempt to stir up a shitstorm about it, nor do you gloat about getting them fired after the fact like it was some righteous cause you were defending. She did not "just" post a twitter picture; she was guilty of far more, and her self-righteous gloating attested to that. She did not see it as "just posting a picture" from minute 1. She knew what she was doing. She had done it before. She throws her weight around, bitching about anything she doesn't like, and doesn't even stop to talk to people about it to sort out her issues. Here's a blog [http://amandablumwords.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/3/] talking about some of her previous infantile tantrums. Each of them had relatively simple "mature" things she could have done to enact change, but instead she declined to use those routes and went straight for social media shitstorm.

That's what I have a problem with. She wasn't noble, she didn't have a high horse to get on; she was a fucking *****, she acted like a fucking *****, she gloated like a fucking ***** when she got someone fired over nothing, and largely as a result of the collective internet being angry at her for being a fucking *****, she, too, got fired. She achieved nothing aside from costing multiple people their jobs. She did not advance the cause of feminism. She didn't address any systemic gender problems in a male-dominated industry. She didn't even advance her own status; she tarnished it by showing her true colors.

If she had "just" posted the picture on twitter, she would have been seen very differently. It's certainly not a mature thing to do, but it's also relatively harmless. But that's not what she did. She used her social media backing, a following of like-minded people she had already gathered, to blow a joke out of proportion to garner attention for herself in her misguided self-righteous crusade. She gloated about it, comparing herself to past civil rights activists (you know, the ones who actually made a difference), degraded the people she had gotten fired, and got canned because of it. Her infantile nature knows no bounds. Instead of stopping while she's "ahead" (and by "ahead" I mean she was already guilty of reprehensible behavior, just not more of it), she has to gloat and deride the people she got fired. That's what got HER fired. Even her own company couldn't put up with the PR shitstorm of some ***** who throws a fit, gets people fired, and then pretends like she was God's gift to the world because of it.

So no. Don't even start pretending people are over-reacting to this, and DEFINITELY don't pretend what she did was the right thing - or even an innocent thing to do. Being a mature adult includes following the standard steps for airing grievances, and when you skip those to start a social media shitstorm, you are no longer considered a mature adult. Her method of dealing with her issue was infantile, and she was treated thus. Hopefully whatever company has hired her since knows to keep a fucking lid on her mouth, and her camera, if not simply preventing her from publicly representing them at all. Considering we haven't heard anything since, either she hasn't found tech-field work or she has and they've done what I said. Win-win situation.

Her "cause" is, on the whole, a noble one, and the topics she takes issue with are well worth addressing. Her methods are deplorable, and, in the end, are her undoing. Nobody wants to listen to an infantile rant about issues she can't even discuss or address in any kind of mature fashion.

In closing, here are the comments from her SendGrid company [http://sendgrid.com/blog/a-difficult-situation/] regarding her termination;

SendGrid supports the right to report inappropriate behavior, whenever and wherever it occurs.

What we do not support was how she reported the conduct. Her decision to tweet the comments and photographs of the people who made the comments crossed the line. Publicly shaming the offenders - and bystanders - was not the appropriate way to handle the situation. Even PyCon has since updated their Code of Conduct due to this situation.

Tldr; It wasn't what she wanted to address, it was how she addressed it. The code of conduct for the event was on her side, and event staff would have supported her, had she simply brought the issue to light like a reasonable, mature adult. Instead she opted to do what she did, causing several companies bad PR, costing several people their jobs, and doing nothing to further any of the causes she supports. And then she chose to gloat about it. If you can't get a good feel for her character from that, you never will.

 

[AuronFtw]

Ya know, come to think of it, it's really not fair to blame her for getting the folks fired. She just posted a picture. The obnoxious internet horde were really the ones to do it. Then another horde got her fired.

Basically, we're the real monsters here.

Er... no. What she did was not okay. She did not "just" post a picture; she used her sizable social media backing of like-minded people to drum up controversy and publicly shame people instead of simply talking to event staff (or, you know, the people themselves) like a mature adult. She has a history of similar behavior, and her gloating about it on her blog makes it pretty clear she's more of a monster than most people that got involved in this situation.

And certainly more of a monster than someone who dared to say "dongle" or "forked" at a tech conference.

If she had simply shut the fuck up after bringing up the "offense" and let the pieces fall where they may, I could maybe buy that she "did the right thing." But based on her behavior before and after the picture, it's simply not logical to think that. Her motivations were corrupt, her self-righteousness spilled over into what could have otherwise been an innocent behavior report, and her infantile rants cost her a job and her public image. Good riddance, I say, but it's a pity she cost other people their jobs via public shaming in the meantime.

(Realistically, if she had followed the standard procedure for reporting bad behavior, and if event staff followed up with their company, the two offenders might have been in trouble regardless. But at that point, they would be punished for their behavior and nothing else. Any punishment they received would have been justly deserved. But their "behavior" issue was minor, at best, and the only reason they got canned is the shitstorm brewed up by Richards' following. The shitstorm that brewed up to get Richards fired was payback, in essence, for her directing her shitstorm powers at a relatively minor offender and blowing the situation out of proportion. She got what was coming to her - a taste of her own medicine. Something something poetic justice. But it didn't get those men their jobs back, so she's still definitely the monster in this case.)

EDIT: One of the other things I had forgotten about but re-learned when I was doing some quick googling; she was a massive hypocrite. She made similar "tasteless" jokes on her twitter feed *all the time*, including one less than a week before donglegate. She was obviously comfortable with the parlance of the industry, comfortable reveling in it and spreading it, so to get caught up on a similar joke and make a social media shitstorm about it is just intellectually dishonest... in addition to being morally reprehensible.

So yeah, there's a lot of reasons I don't like Adria Richards, and most of them are what she does and how she does it. Gender issues worldwide are worth talking about, and they're as prevalent in the gaming and tech industries as any others. But what she does isn't talking. It's staying silent and pointing a raging herd of netizens at anything she doesn't like. The herd are not the monsters. They simply exist. When used for nefarious purposes, they can be destructive and hurtful. And she is a master at using them for nefarious purposes. She simply sent them at the wrong crowd, and got an even bigger crowd trampling back in response.

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Don't know, don't care, hope she's still unemployed.

I'd much rather know what happened to the two guys that got caught up in this mess.

 

[DANEgerous]

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Granted but, yeah these guys tended to be rather persistent. This was not a passing joke where as the incident mentioned definitely was so good point overall and it brings up a bit of a mine field being that a joke like the one made getting attention undermines sexism. One woman found a harmless joke offensive threw a fit and people called her over reaction what it was so they got fired. Meanwhile people that actually intend to offend women get this boys will be boys bullshit. It is what I may call a "Rebecca Watson dilemma" with her quotes about how guys that have no interest in feminism are worse than rape threats or how being asked out for coffee is sexual harassment. Saying that shit harms women. It literally states that a lack of interest in what she has to say is worse than the threat of rape and that saying some one is interesting and you want coffee is harassment "Donglegate" falls into the same category. When you label a joke as harassment you invoke and often overlook actual harassment.

I mean even if they were persistent, they were speaking amongst each other as friends. It's not like they say down and said "Oy! Lets make everyone around us feel uncomfortable! HWA HA HA HA HA HA!"

And I'd like to think no one does.

I would like to think that as well but I can not. This is what I am saying I have found the kind of person that either intentionally irritates others or has been told numinous times that their attitude is irritating and simply does not care. They are actually not all that uncommon, but we never or at least rarely hear about them. We do not hear bout them because their stories are plain "Guy with hideous attitude gets fired" is not exciting but "Two guys make joke and get fired" is a headline. Making such headline tends to being the former kind of person out in droves and that is kind of rather annoying.

 

[Optimus6128]

I don't care about her. It's an unfortunate event though that because of exaggerated feelings 3 people lost their jobs.

But I don't understand all sides of what is called "sexism". For me, a bad side of sexism would be if there is a female programmer (they do exist) in an interview and the interviewer jokes and says something like "Sorry, did you applied for the secretary position?". If you have a prejudice about someone's skill because of sex. If you think women can't code.

But I am still not convinced about referring to sexual things as objectification for women. Men also say jokes about dicks. It's natural for men, and ok you see it in tv and advertisement, but what can we do? In the same sense I feel like my natural sexual instincts are pushed back if every time I have to think "Oh,. if I look at woman's cleavage, am I a sexist?" or can't make a sexual joke in fear.

 

[ForumSafari]

She got what was coming to her - a taste of her own medicine. Something something poetic justice. But it didn't get those men their jobs back, so she's still definitely the monster in this case.)

I very much agree with you. She used a public forum to bully two people guilty of being childish in a presentation and to get them fired. She then gloated about it and it was brought to the attention of her employer along with some other previous behaviour. She got fired because she behaved like a complete fucking maniac and made it apparent that she was a huge liability for her employer and for anyone else. Given that she also appears to know fuck all about computing there is literally no reason to keep her on staff, long may the ***** be unemployed.

Moral of the story: She went full retard, never go full retard.

Oh and no, joking that 'dongle' sounds like a word for penis and that 'forking' sounds like 'fucking' is not sexist. Remarking that you would like to fuck someone is also not sexist, though it is maybe a little blunt. Even the most rabid of her social justice Tumblr warriors backed off a bit when they realised what she was like and what she was actually starting shit over.

EDIT: I also don't understand how people like her get jobs, they're parasitic growths on the computing industry and don't contribute anything to the field. They're like tech-tapeworms.