Anyone watched Spider-Man Homecoming? (spoilers inside)

[Silent Protagonist]

Best Marvel movie villain yet by far. Rest of the movie was fairly mediocre. There were a bunch of little things that bugged me, and the more I think about the movie the more they bug me. On the flipside, the more I think about how the villains were done in this movie the more I love it. I wish those would just kinda cancels each other out instead of leaving me confused what my opinion was of a movie I didn't even want to see to begin with, which further compounds the internal conflict.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Could you guys recommend any other movies Michael stars in that is excels at? Yes, Birdman is on the list.

He's very good in Spotlight. It's an ensemble cast but he's pretty much front and center.

I always thought he was very good in Multiplicity as well. It's the movie Harold Ramis made right after Groundhog Day and while nowhere near as good it has some of the charm. Plus it's a great showcase of Keaton as a comic actor (he plays four roles).

Also Gung Ho. It's not a very good movie but I have a soft spot for it because my dad worked in it (and hated Keaton ).

 

[Hawki]

Could you guys recommend any other movies Michael stars in that is excels at? Yes, Birdman is on the list.

Add The Founder to your list.

 

[DaCosta]

Loved it. It might be early to tell, but I think it's the best Spider-Man movie.

Tom Holland was the first actor to nail both Peter Parker and Spider-Man on screen.

The villain was better than most MCU villains, but still pretty meh. It just didn't have an arc of its own like Alfred Molina's Doc Ock.

 

[Parasondox]

Could you guys recommend any other movies Michael stars in that is excels at? Yes, Birdman is on the list.

He's very good in Spotlight. It's an ensemble cast but he's pretty much front and center.

I always thought he was very good in Multiplicity as well. It's the movie Harold Ramis made right after Groundhog Day and while nowhere near as good it has some of the charm. Plus it's a great showcase of Keaton as a comic actor (he plays four roles).

Also Gung Ho. It's not a very good movie but I have a soft spot for it because my dad worked in it (and hated Keaton ).

Could you guys recommend any other movies Michael stars in that is excels at? Yes, Birdman is on the list.

Add The Founder to your list.

Thank you for the recommendation. Ahh gotta rewatch Bettlejuice. Have not seen that in over a decade.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

I enjoyed the movie. Wasn't amazing, but still a good time.

I think Tom was a good choice but someone needs to tell him to chill with the teenager-ness. Keaton was great as the Vulture but should have had more screentime. I like that he didnt die at the end. It's high time superhero movies stop killing off their big bads after a single movie. Zendaya's character better not really be MJ because I cannot stand her. Young hot Marisa Tomei is funny. Damage Control product placement annoyed me.

Overall I think it could have been better but I enjoyed it. The movie is the start of a new MCU that is really beginning to take advantage of a shared universe (besides the Avengers movies).

 

[King Billi]

It was alright.

Tom Holland may be a little overeager but he's likable and funny in the role, same goes for all his school mates, I found their enthusiasm infectious and I can easily imagine they all had a blast making this film together.

Michael Keaton was awesome and his role and actions as a villain actually suited his moniker as the Vulture moreso than his comic book counterpart.

Although it was strange how his motivation seemed to better position him as an enemy of Iron Man more than Spiderman.

I don't feel this film was any better than any of the previous incarnations (yes including The Amazing Spiderman) it was still a lot of fun.

 

[Laughing Man]

It also annoyed me how Spiderman is the direct cause of pretty much ALL of the collateral damage in the movie. He's made out to be almost completely incompetent for the sake of some laughs, and I feel like it really takes away from the character.

For the sake of some laughs? Really, I must have missed that because what I saw was a movie in which this new superhero is being mentored by one of The Avengers with a view to gaining his skills, getting used to his new suit and being told specifically, several times through out the movie to keep to the small time stuff, like he was doing prior to Civil War, and that even when The Avengers aren't getting involved in the larger stuff their is still a system at work in the background to make sure the bad guys aren't getting away with it.

A movie in which Peter is so desperate to impress, so desperate to get the next call up to The Avengers that he gets in way above his head, i.e hacking the suit and taking the training wheels off, going after someone who was already on Stark's radar and as a result things go wrong.

This movie was an origin story but with a twist. Most origin stories spend the first act showing how they got their powers, the second act showing them getting used to their powers while ramping up the bad guy and the final scene is them coming to terms with their powers and beating the bad guy. This movie skipped the first part and spent most of it's run time focusing on the him getting used to his powers.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

It also annoyed me how Spiderman is the direct cause of pretty much ALL of the collateral damage in the movie. He's made out to be almost completely incompetent for the sake of some laughs, and I feel like it really takes away from the character.

For the sake of some laughs? Really, I must have missed that because what I saw was a movie in which this new superhero is being mentored by one of The Avengers with a view to gaining his skills, getting used to his new suit and being told specifically, several times through out the movie to keep to the small time stuff, like he was doing prior to Civil War, and that even when The Avengers aren't getting involved in the larger stuff their is still a system at work in the background to make sure the bad guys aren't getting away with it.

A movie in which Peter is so desperate to impress, so desperate to get the next call up to The Avengers that he gets in way above his head, i.e hacking the suit and taking the training wheels off, going after someone who was already on Stark's radar and as a result things go wrong.

This movie was an origin story but with a twist. Most origin stories spend the first act showing how they got their powers, the second act showing them getting used to their powers while ramping up the bad guy and the final scene is them coming to terms with their powers and beating the bad guy. This movie skipped the first part and spent most of it's run time focusing on the him getting used to his powers.

So you're saying that the scene where he's flailing around getting dragged by a van and crashing into things isn't just bad slapstick? He says during a different part of the movie that he's strong enough to stop a speeding bus, but here he can't even stop a shitty van.

How about the scene where some bad guys are ripping off an ATM and instead of stopping them he decides to stand there, and then announces his presence all so that he can make jokes about their masks?

How about when he stops the elevator at the Washington monument, and then after getting everyone out safely the elevator just drops down and drags him with it bouncing him around, all for laughs.

Yes it's an origin story about him getting used to the new suit and his powers, but Spiderman fails at LITERALLY EVERYTHING he does in the movie in some way. Even when he wins he loses, all for laughs.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Yes it's an origin story about him getting used to the new suit and his powers, but Spiderman fails at LITERALLY EVERYTHING he does in the movie in some way. Even when he wins he loses, all for laughs.

Isn't that the point? He fails at everything because he became too arrogant after being smacked around by 90+ year old man in Civil War. This is almost the direct cause of his fuckup with the bank robbers. Same with the elevator scene, that wouldn't have happened if he had just gone straight to happy. Which he totally could have. The movie is an series of failures culminating in Tony taking his suit away. It takes this to make him remember that he is Spider-man not to get Stark's attention or to be part of the Avengers, but because he has the power to help people. Not to mention losing even while winning is practically the definition of Spider-man. He's beat the bad guy but lost the girl so many times they probably have a page on Facebook where they discuss how cool it is to be boned upside down.

I definitely agree though that his collateral damage was just for laughs. He was tearing so much shit up I expected them to make it part of the story, and he would go back to that area and do some repairs, or at the very least show a scene where he does his best to avoid collateral damage.

 

[Saelune]

Best version of Spider-Man, which is enough to make up for all my other issues with it.

No Harry, which may mean no Norman, aka Green Goblin, who not only is the most important Spider-Man villain, but an important Marvel villain.

They ruined The Shocker in a way that felt like a personal "fuck you" to me.

Flash...wow, Flash. I thought I was going to be upset with MJ, but they didnt even try with Flash. That character is not Flash, not one bit.

Also, thats 2 references to Ferris Bueller's Day Off in 2 Marvel movies.

Im glad Vulture survived. Good to see they do intend to set up the Sinister Six.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

No Harry, which may mean no Norman, aka Green Goblin, who not only is the most important Spider-Man villain, but an important Marvel villain.

They ruined The Shocker in a way that felt like a personal "fuck you" to me.

Flash...wow, Flash. I thought I was going to be upset with MJ, but they didnt even try with Flash. That character is not Flash, not one bit.

I have a feeling they are gonna reserve the Osborns for whenever Miles will take up the mantle of Spider-man. It would be interesting to see Marvel's take on the Green Goblin's appearance.

How did they ruin the Shocker? I don't know much about the guy, I've seen him been made fun of and also be a tough guy villain.

I agree about Flash though. Its a good idea to have Peter being bullied by a more modern bully, but I really liked stories where Peter actually gets close to Flash because it turns out Flash isn't a bad guy at all, he just has a shit time at home. This Flash however is just a giant asshole.

 

[Saelune]

No Harry, which may mean no Norman, aka Green Goblin, who not only is the most important Spider-Man villain, but an important Marvel villain.

They ruined The Shocker in a way that felt like a personal "fuck you" to me.

Flash...wow, Flash. I thought I was going to be upset with MJ, but they didnt even try with Flash. That character is not Flash, not one bit.

I have a feeling they are gonna reserve the Osborns for whenever Miles will take up the mantle of Spider-man. It would be interesting to see Marvel's take on the Green Goblin's appearance.

How did they ruin the Shocker? I don't know much about the guy, I've seen him been made fun of and also be a tough guy villain.

I agree about Flash though. Its a good idea to have Peter being bullied by a more modern bully, but I really liked stories where Peter actually gets close to Flash because it turns out Flash isn't a bad guy at all, he just has a shit time at home. This Flash however is just a giant asshole.

I dont want Miles. I dont like him. Plus he means Peter is dead, fuck that. Goblin is important to Spider-Man and The Avengers. I'd like them to build him up in Spider-Man then eventually have him become a big Marvel baddie, especially since we might never get Dr. Doom.

They killed off the Shocker just to replace him with a black guy, cause they really want to be blatant about turning everyone they can into another ethnicity.

I like classic Flash better, especially cause he is supposed to be "stronger" than Peter, but actually isnt. I'd be fine with him turning hero later though, cause he usually does. This Flash is just annoying though.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

I dont want Miles. I dont like him. Plus he means Peter is dead, fuck that. Goblin is important to Spider-Man and The Avengers. I'd like them to build him up in Spider-Man then eventually have him become a big Marvel baddie, especially since we might never get Dr. Doom.

They killed off the Shocker just to replace him with a black guy, cause they really want to be blatant about turning everyone they can into another ethnicity.

I like classic Flash better, especially cause he is supposed to be "stronger" than Peter, but actually isnt. I'd be fine with him turning hero later though, cause he usually does. This Flash is just annoying though.

I don't know much about Miles. Like his suit though. Considering that Spider-man is leading the charge into the new MCU, I'd say one of his villains being the big bad for the next generation of Avengers is highly probable. That's something new they could do, since villains don't seem to be getting killed off anymore Osborn could form his some variation on the Dark Avengers. We've already seen superheroes fighting other super-heroes, now we can see superheroes fighting other superheroes' villains.

And the Shocker who was killed is actually some nobody in the comics, the guy they replaced him with is the real Shocker from the comics. The comic Shocker is white though.

 

[King Billi]

I dont want Miles. I dont like him. Plus he means Peter is dead, fuck that. Goblin is important to Spider-Man and The Avengers. I'd like them to build him up in Spider-Man then eventually have him become a big Marvel baddie, especially since we might never get Dr. Doom.

They killed off the Shocker just to replace him with a black guy, cause they really want to be blatant about turning everyone they can into another ethnicity.

I like classic Flash better, especially cause he is supposed to be "stronger" than Peter, but actually isnt. I'd be fine with him turning hero later though, cause he usually does. This Flash is just annoying though.

I heard a theory that Norman Osborn could be who Tony Stark sold the Avengers Tower to and that it will become the Oscorp Tower in the Spiderman sequel.

 

[Captain Marvelous_v1legacy]

I enjoyed it. I liked the cast and the Vulture is absolutely one of Marvel's best villains. The car scene with Keaton and Holland is one of my favorites in the MCU in general and that reveal caused a collective "Oh, shit" from everyone. I saw the ares reveal coming from a mile away, but this one somehow slipped right past me. And when the credits started rolling everyone in the theater applauded! First time I'd ever seen it.

MJ was a wierd entity. She went through a lot of character development considering the amount of screen time dedicated to her. It's like she had her own movie going on in the background that we didn't get to see.

One thing I hated was the whole "no one is listening to the kid" element. I've had a hate on for that trope since I was over exposed to it from 80s and movies. In fact, the whole subplot where Tony Stark was watching and simultaneously ignoring Peter was a real drag on the story. It might have been good if handled well but as it was I simply annoyed with it.

Wasn't it revealed that Tony was actually not ignoring Peter? That not only did Tony receive most, if not all the messages Peter left, but also called the FBI to handle the Vulture problem. Tony only stopped listening after the suit was taken away, which meant losing the tracking device and recordings. The only time Peter is actually ignored is when Happy hangs up on Ned.

I dont want Miles. I dont like him. Plus he means Peter is dead, fuck that. Goblin is important to Spider-Man and The Avengers. I'd like them to build him up in Spider-Man then eventually have him become a big Marvel baddie, especially since we might never get Dr. Doom.

They don't necessarily have to kill Peter. Miles' origin story was changed since he joined the 616, right? And, if they like the killing Peter angle, they can always go the Spider-verse route.

As for the MCU's doctor doom, I was actually kind of hoping Mandarin would fill that role.

 

[Laughing Man]

Yes it's an origin story about him getting used to the new suit and his powers, but Spiderman fails at LITERALLY EVERYTHING he does in the movie in some way. Even when he wins he loses, all for laughs.

See you need to keep in check that term 'all for laughs' because it changes the context of the statement he 'fails at LITERALLY EVERYTHING. It changes the entire meaning in to the reason he fails is NOT because he is new, young, a bit arrogant, desperate to impress, impulsive and prone to poor decision making, the stuff that all young people tend to be to a degree or another let alone one given an effective super suit by an Avenger who happens to be strong enough to lift cars and instead makes it seem like the only reason he fails IS to get the laughs, which I firmly believe is not what was intended.

Yes Marvel could have opted to play down the comic quips on some of the fails (then again what's a Marvel movie without a quip here and there) but end of the day their were plenty of situations in which he did fail where their was no comic intention or overtone being used, the ferry incident when Tony ends up taking the suit back, the underground parking lot when Vulture crushes him under debris, the fact he loses the girl despite doing what many would say is the right thing.

I definitely agree though that his collateral damage was just for laughs. He was tearing so much shit up I expected them to make it part of the story

Well to be fair he is trying to be part of The Avengers and so far as a team their count includes a significant part of an international Airport, a large part of down town New York, a large part of whatever city the Hulk and Hulk Buster went toe to toe in and oh yeah an entire fucking city being dropped out of the sky.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

One thing I hated was the whole "no one is listening to the kid" element. I've had a hate on for that trope since I was over exposed to it from 80s and movies. In fact, the whole subplot where Tony Stark was watching and simultaneously ignoring Peter was a real drag on the story. It might have been good if handled well but as it was I simply annoyed with it.

Wasn't it revealed that Tony was actually not ignoring Peter? That not only did Tony receive most, if not all the messages Peter left, but also called the FBI to handle the Vulture problem. Tony only stopped listening after the suit was taken away, which meant losing the tracking device and recordings. The only time Peter is actually ignored is when Happy hangs up on Ned.

They made it pretty obvious too. Tony remembered the churro that some foreign lady gave Peter, he remembered that Peter left the school band, etc. Unfortunately the idea that Tony is actually paying attention to Peter was totally ruined by the trailer. It was a great idea, I even noticed that when he saves Peter from drowning, the animation on the suit seemed a little stiff, and boom it turned out that he wasn't in the suit at all. Leave it to Sony to screw something like this up.

 

[Natemans]

One thing I hated was the whole "no one is listening to the kid" element. I've had a hate on for that trope since I was over exposed to it from 80s and movies. In fact, the whole subplot where Tony Stark was watching and simultaneously ignoring Peter was a real drag on the story. It might have been good if handled well but as it was I simply annoyed with it.

Wasn't it revealed that Tony was actually not ignoring Peter? That not only did Tony receive most, if not all the messages Peter left, but also called the FBI to handle the Vulture problem. Tony only stopped listening after the suit was taken away, which meant losing the tracking device and recordings. The only time Peter is actually ignored is when Happy hangs up on Ned.

They made it pretty obvious too. Tony remembered the churro that some foreign lady gave Peter, he remembered that Peter left the school band, etc. Unfortunately the idea that Tony is actually paying attention to Peter was totally ruined by the trailer. It was a great idea, I even noticed that when he saves Peter from drowning, the animation on the suit seemed a little stiff, and boom it turned out that he wasn't in the suit at all. Leave it to Sony to screw something like this up.

My problem with the film is that I found it very lacking in finding an emotional investment or hook to the character. It felt like a very safe and bland movie just so Sony and Marvel can shake hands with not pissing each other off. If you want to do that, fine, but take some risks if you want to go small scale. Spider-Man isn't a safe character.