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Krazy

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I'm becoming more and more aware of my increasing apathy. It's gotten tot he point where it is actually effecting my studies. There are more negative consequenses, most prominent the feeling that I could be doing a lot more in life and just not knowing what.

A small example of this behaviour would be on this very forum. I've been 'lurking' on these forums for years now, never considering to post anything myself. Feeling like it would be useless to add my own opinion to a topic. Even writing this topic itself is very strange to me.

I feel like I'm in this slump that I cannot get out of. I was just wondering if others have experienced. Do you experience apathy and how do you counter this feeling?
 

Dirge Eterna

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Apathy for me is a sure indicator that my depression is worsening. If I miss taking my meds or something really goes off the rails in my life I feel apathetic to everything. If you haven't talked to someone about it now would be a good time as it will usually get worse if left untreated. I take Prozac to counter my depression and I have done so for about 8 years. Trust me when I say that my life is so much better now than it was before. I wasn't suicidal but I was at the point where I didn't give a shit if I was in a car accident and killed when I was driving home.
 

Jux

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Apathy can be a sign of depression, as Dirge pointed out. If this is a persistent thing, you might want to see a doc, at least to voice your concerns. Go do something that'll give you an adrenaline rush and see if that kick starts you out of it. Like bungee jumping or skydiving.
 

Krazy

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The thing is, I don't really feel unhappy about it, which worries me the most. I wouldn't called myself depressed at all. I only know that I can't keep going on like this, somehow I have to get out of this mindset.

I recently tried out an old hobby, watercolor painting, much like Archiebawled suggested. I quite enjoyed doing it again, but can't really push myself to start on a new painting, like some sort of mental barrier.

Soon I'll be going on a vacation. I'm hoping that being away from home might give me some perspective.

Also the bungeejumping/skydiving is an interesting suggestion.
 

TheRightToArmBears

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Krazy said:
The thing is, I don't really feel unhappy about it, which worries me the most. I wouldn't called myself depressed at all. I only know that I can't keep going on like this, somehow I have to get out of this mindset.

I recently tried out an old hobby, watercolor painting, much like Archiebawled suggested. I quite enjoyed doing it again, but can't really push myself to start on a new painting, like some sort of mental barrier.
I'm probably going to be a bit of a hypocrite because I feel fairly similar, in the past where I've gotten over it it's been when I've managed to push myself past that barrier. If you can push yourself to go and do another painting it will help you learn to overcome it. I also found that being more social helps; how often do you spend time with friends? If nothing else, it's a good distraction.

I'm saying this after not leaving the house for nearly a week, so take it with a pinch of salt I guess.
 

Krazy

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TheRightToArmBears said:
Krazy said:
The thing is, I don't really feel unhappy about it, which worries me the most. I wouldn't called myself depressed at all. I only know that I can't keep going on like this, somehow I have to get out of this mindset.

I recently tried out an old hobby, watercolor painting, much like Archiebawled suggested. I quite enjoyed doing it again, but can't really push myself to start on a new painting, like some sort of mental barrier.
I'm probably going to be a bit of a hypocrite because I feel fairly similar, in the past where I've gotten over it it's been when I've managed to push myself past that barrier. If you can push yourself to go and do another painting it will help you learn to overcome it. I also found that being more social helps; how often do you spend time with friends? If nothing else, it's a good distraction.

I'm saying this after not leaving the house for nearly a week, so take it with a pinch of salt I guess.
I only have a small group of friends, although I prefer it that way. One of those friends lives only 4 houses over, so I visit him pretty regularly. But that's just us playing lots of games together, probably not what you had in mind. Being social doesn't really come natural to me so that might be a part of the problem.
 

MHR

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I am also extremely apathetic and it's a big problem and I really haven't solved it. Part of it I'm sure is depression, but I'm unmotivated in general.

What I have found though is that it helps to be motivated by other people somehow, so like other have said it would probably help to be more social. I know that I couldn't give a crap if I lived in a pigsty, but if the right amount of peer pressure was involved to motivate me I might even be pulling out the large furniture to break away the ancient dust formations.
 

Danny Ocean

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Unfortunately, in my experience, these things suffer from inertia.

If you don't do stuff for ages, you won't do stuff.

Break the habit for long enough. Change it up. Go on a trip or something. Make yourself do it, or get your friends to make you, and you'll feel better after.

Alternatively: motivating music and Theodore Roosevelt quotes.

The fact the physical universe imparts no value doesn't matter- all that really matters is the human world.

I like to think of people like rivers, in that we establish their identity not by the water in them, but by the channel they carve. Instead of carving out physical topography, you leave your imprint in the minds of others- in the social topography. It's up to you to choose what that imprint that is.

Also, get off the computer. It doesn't help things at all. It's lazy, passive stimulation that can while away weeks of your life without improving you in any way.

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Go watch Gladiator or something. Get yourself feeling again. Get yourself aspiring.
 

Jinky Williams

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[Sorry (kinda-but-not-really) for the book: It's an important subject for me, personally.]

Kinda like what Danny said, If you don't exercise something it will atrophy. This is axiomatic for any "muscle" type, be it physical, mental, emotional, etc.

Stop exercising, your capacity for physical activity will diminish.
Stop using a language, your facility for that language will decrease.
Stop exercising your emotion, it will become more and more difficult to feel.

Emotion is the *only* motivation. It is only to the extent that you care about something that you are motivated to make progress toward that end. "apathy" means "without feeling" (a + pathos). So, if one is apathetic towards something, one will not do it.

I had a really difficult Jr High. I was a grade ahead, which meant I was a year behind. I got extremely proficient at turning my emotions off, because if you don't react they will get tired of messing with you. However, that resulted in a fairly comprehensive emotional flatlining that's taken almost two decades to overcome.

Different people are definitely born with varying levels of emotional capacity, but the constant is that we all have that capacity... and also that we never lose that capacity. Not eating much over a long period of time will cause your stomach to decrease in size, but you can increase it by practicing the inverse. It will take some time and the progress won't change overnight, but over time the effort will yield the desired results.

I don't know your story, and I don't claim to be anyone more than an observer and appreciator of people. However, I would venture a guess that difficult circumstances led you to choose to stifle your emotional output.

Often, a remedy for something is its opposite. To combat indecision, decisions must be made. To combat distrust, the choice to trust again is required. To combat emotional disconnect, we need to choose to engage our heart. Because emotion is an intangible thing and there's no system of metrics to measure results it can be difficult to perceive any progress.

I believe Danny had some good suggestions: Get out of your routine, get uncomfortable. Volunteer and purposefully involve yourself in the lives of others. Also, find people who have what you are looking for. Something that has helped me personally was observing and emulating my wife's hope in things. And not the macro, but the micro. Along with my emotional flatlining came my ability to manage my expectations: I simply chose to not ho[pe. I took what came and a lot of stuff just rolled off my back; it took a lot to crack my shell. However, the corollary was that it was very difficult for me to get excited about anything.

As with any resource, you can't get a return on something you didn't invest. I chose not to invest my emotions, so I didn't feel any. My wife, however, invests emotion into everything. One one hand this opens her up to disappointment, and she often is. However, she routinely gets much more excited about a good meal or movie because she chose to invest that emotion and allowed herself to hope that what she desired would come about.

You may be apathetic about much, but you are aware of this and you don't like it--which means you feel something, there. So you have a foundation to work from.


tl;dr version:
Muscles atrophy with disuse. Emotion is a muscle. Hit the "gym" by allowing yourself to hope for desired outcomes and by putting yourself in new, different, and likely uncomfortable situations. Emotional output can't be empirically measured, so there are no success metrics. However, emotion will unavoidably increase as it is exercised.

Take heart, hope, and don't go it alone.
 

Jannes Ehmke

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Well there's some good news here, just the fact that you want to do something about it means you're not completely apathetic.

I'm a very apathetic person and I don't really find it a curse, but a blessing. There's little standing between me and what I want, I get my work done. Though perhaps important to know whether you are actually apathetic or whether you're unhappy or unmotivated.

To make a point:
People always think I'm completely off my rockers for finding little enjoyment in sex, usually met by "you must be doing it wrong". They've been told that they should like it and they're biologically hardwired to like it, but the truth is I simply find no enjoyment in it and there are a great many things I enjoy more, that however does not make me a bad lover. Simply the fact that I am no longer focused on any personal gain means that the focus falls entirely on my partner.

apathy is the same, controlling it means a straight, clear path with little distraction. You end up being able to go it alone because there's none of the drama or nonsense that you usually need others for, they end up merely serving as a distraction.

If however you want it is more towards just being unmotivated then perhaps just try talking to random strangers, it will bring new perspectives to light and as above stated, exercise your emotions.
 

KOMega

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some exercise, even just a bit of light jogging outside, will be beneficial. A little bit of adrenaline might pick you up.
 

thebakedpotato

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It happens. There are two things that help with that. Momentum, and the knowledge that if you do nothing, you will fuck your shit up far worse than if you did almost anything else.
Just have to decide that you don't wanna fuck up your studies.

Or do fuck it up. Honestly failure's not quite as big a deal as everyone puts on it.