Apparently fear of needles can cause seizures or death

[Eri]

I was wandering around Kickstarter when I came across this.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1995527181/one-more-girl-documentary

One More Girl is a documentary about the stories of anguish and travesty, futures destroyed, and families reduced to financial ruin by medical costs brought on by a supposedly safe vaccine, Gardasil. The vaccine is designed to prevent Human Papillomavirus (HPV).

At last count, there have been 89 confirmed deaths as a result of Gardasil.

These girls' reactions to the vaccine range from muscle pain, weakness, seizures, strokes, autoimmune problems, paralysis, tremors, heart issues, and the list goes on and on.

I sure haven't seen anything about this until I started poking around after coming upon this page. That's pretty scary if something that dangerous is being passed around like candy to young teenagers and the US gov and the drug company say the side effects are just made up. Or happened because they were scared of needles.

Just watch the video if nothing else.

 

[ApeShapeDeity]

I used to go into shock anytime someone would point a hypedermic in my general direction. It was all caused by a nurse who put a needle through the (wrong) vein, straight into my tendon.

She figured she hadn't gotten into the vein yet and started twisting the needle around, trying to find it. It tore the vien pretty well, and well, I'm sure I don't need to explain how it felt having a razor sharp spike of metal levered around in my tendon...

Fortunately, going to the Army cured me of it. (They give you a lot of injections at basic) Now it just makes me uncomfortable.

 

[Booze Zombie]

I get uncomfortable around needs because I dislike the thought of liquid leaving or entering me via the blood stream.

Of course, this looks quite a bit more serious than that.

 

[Lyri]

I don't mind them really, just don't go waving them around like a sily bugger and we're a-ok.

 

[Heathrow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus#Cervical_cancer

Even if the 89 deaths to the vaccine isn't complete bullshit, made up or otherwise misleading more people would die if no one was vaccinated.


Edit: Lol, that video is scaremongertastic. I call bs.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Amongst other things, Gardasil protects women from forms of cervical cancer they might get once they are sexually active. So if you are vaccinating girls for this, you are acknowledging that they might have sex when they grow up.

Because of this, various American Christian groups have done all they can to get Gardasil banned, and it seems likely that this is just another scare campaign aimed at this.

 

[Eri]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus#Cervical_cancer

Even if the 89 deaths to the vaccine isn't complete bullshit, made up or otherwise misleading more people would die if no one was vaccinated.

I don't think it is so much that, as much as the fact that the drug maker along with the US government is saying there is no found connection between these incidents, and the drug.

 

[ultrachicken]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_papillomavirus#Cervical_cancer

Even if the 89 deaths to the vaccine isn't complete bullshit, made up or otherwise misleading more people would die if no one was vaccinated.

Agreed. It's common that people blow a tiny amount of deaths way out of proportion. "One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" applies here.

I used to be scared of needles, but when my bones were being inspected for CRMO, I had to get a lot of injections, which desensitized me to them.

 

[The Rockerfly]

I'm glad I'm not scared of needles, I remember the days when people were getting injections and I used to have to comfort some of my friends who pass out when their skin is pierced by a needle. It also means that they can't donate blood which I think is a damn shame

 

[Heathrow]

I don't think it is so much that, as much as the fact that the drug maker along with the US government is saying there is no found connection between these incidents, and the drug.

Just a thought, perhaps that's because there's no connection?

 

[Eri]

I don't think it is so much that, as much as the fact that the drug maker along with the US government is saying there is no found connection between these incidents, and the drug.

Just a thought, perhaps that's because there's no connection?

Maybe, but there's no way to tell either way at the moment.

 

[Heathrow]

Maybe, but there's no way to tell either way at the moment.

There is substantive evidence [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15197783] that there is a benefit to taking this drug.

There is anecdotal evidence that this vaccine might have adverse side effects.

These two types of evidence are not equal. The scientific method has flourished specifically because it weeds out the errors of judging things based on personal experience. If the makers of this video truly felt confident in their ideas I suspect they would fund a scientific study into the matter. The fact that they wish to spread hearsay without solid information leads me to believe they have motivations outside of pure altruism.

 

[Eri]

Maybe, but there's no way to tell either way at the moment.

There is substantive evidence [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15197783] that there is a benefit to taking this drug.

There is anecdotal evidence that this vaccine might have adverse side effects.

These two types of evidence are not equal. The scientific method has flourished specifically because it weeds out the errors of judging things based on personal experience. If the makers of this video truly felt confident in their ideas I suspect they would fund a scientific study into the matter. The fact that they wish to spread hearsay without solid information leads me to believe they have motivations outside of pure altruism.

Obviously the drug has benefits. All drugs benefit the people that don't get terrible side effects. I never said otherwise. Just pointing out what they said. Even if what I posted is 100% proven to be true, I'm not really gonna make a judgment on whether the good outweighs the bad or not. Just trying to make an interesting post.

 

[Heathrow]

I can understand why you might want to post this to start up an interesting debate and I apologize if I seem hostile.

Just to be clear, this drug has passed FDA testing, it's not that the government is ignoring these people's concerns, it's that they've already tested the drug to their satisfaction and found it to be safe (to within an acceptable margin of error).

I think it's important to have good discourse, but I dislike the weight and attention lent to alarmist concerns simply because they are alarmist. The matter of vaccines, especially, has been a sore subject among certain groups of people (in spite of overwhelming evidence against their concerns) and I must admit I do not understand what their motivations could possibly be except that they have been frightened out of their wits by nothing at all.

Since this appears to be the case I know no other way to deal with this fear other than to put it down securely and without doubt whenever I see it. Discussion should not enter into it since, until there is evidence to the contrary, there is nothing to discuss.

 

[similar.squirrel]

People should research what they're taking anyway. Never immerse yourself in consumer culture if you still have a modicum of trust for the people trying to sell you products.
If the drug is beneficial to most of the people who take it, there is no reason to take it off the market in order to protect the minority who react adversely to it. People should be made aware of the dangers, but the responsibility should lie with them.

I don't really mind needles. The best strategy is to look away. Last time I did that, the shot was administered with me even noticing, somehow.

 

[Toriver]

I'm glad I'm not scared of needles, I remember the days when people were getting injections and I used to have to comfort some of my friends who pass out when their skin is pierced by a needle. It also means that they can't donate blood which I think is a damn shame

I only wish I could pass out. It would actually make my life a lot easier. I have a pretty damn severe case of trypanophobia, the fear of hypodermic needles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypanophobia

I would fall under the associative and hyperalgesic varieties. I don't avoid all medical care, only that which I know will involve a needle. When I do know something involves a needle, I literally panic and run and there's really nothing I can do about it. If I can't get away, I end up fighting. Someone has to hold me down by force in order for me to take it. At my last physical exam for work, which requires a blood test, the company had to give me a special exemption from the blood test because of it. I just cannot take them, no matter how hard I do try to get over it, the panic attack always happens. If only I could just faint and wake up when it's all over, I would at least be able to manage it.

 

[The Rockerfly]

I only wish I could pass out. It would actually make my life a lot easier. I have a pretty damn severe case of trypanophobia, the fear of hypodermic needles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypanophobia

I would fall under the associative and hyperalgesic varieties. I don't avoid all medical care, only that which I know will involve a needle. When I do know something involves a needle, I literally panic and run and there's really nothing I can do about it. If I can't get away, I end up fighting. Someone has to hold me down by force in order for me to take it. At my last physical exam for work, which requires a blood test, the company had to give me a special exemption from the blood test because of it. I just cannot take them, no matter how hard I do try to get over it, the panic attack always happens. If only I could just faint and wake up when it's all over, I would at least be able to manage it.

Never thought of it like that, still is it something you could ever get over with medicine or therapy? There are ways to get over fears in life and I don't suppose you confront it or anything along those lines? I've never really dealt with a fear so I don't know the specifics but surely it's treatable?
I can't imagine not being able to have needles pierce my skin

 

[Wintermoot]

I,m scared of blood tests (not injection needles just blood tests) I,m not really sure if I,m completely healthy.
My fear might end up killing me (IE having some kind of disease without knowing it)

 

[minka1995]

At our school just about every year 8 girl gets the gardasil during the annual jab, so far no one has had any adverse affects aside from that small shock of needles.
I've had the gardasil myself all I can say is it hurts a little more than others.