Are modern console killing Final Fantasy?

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ultimasupersaiyan

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As a huge fan of Final Fantasy I say the blame is not in the technology but in Square-Enix and the fans. The fans are to blame because the majority are to busy clinging onto Final Fantasys IV, VI and VII to even care about the newer ones as much and some of them care too much about the graphics. I'm in neither of those mind you and Square-Enix is to blame because they let the key people involved in Final Fantasy walk out the door years ago. On top of that they don't listen to fan feedback very often and are dumping tons of money into broadening the audience and spreading themselves thin in the process. I think Square-Enix should consider bringing back the Final Fantasy main franchise back to Nintendo to save some money on overall development cost or go back to stylised designs and forget realism to once again save money and also get some better writing staff because XII and XIII story wise weren't very good in comparison to the previous entries and cut back on the cutscenes.

I personally want the next Final Fantasy to have stylised art design with a well fleshed out story, a fair few short cutscenes when relevent, either turn based combat with full control of the party(prefered) or Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep style of combat with customisable AI partners like KH1&2, a 60 hour story with actual sidequest that aren't monster hunts, a world that actually evolve during the course of the story like previous Final Fantasys and finally bring back the job class system but allow anyone to equip anything but have penalties for equipment that isn't normally used by the class eg. a speed penalty for a Black Mage wielding a single handed katana unless their subclass is ninja or samurai.
I know I ask for WAY to much but that's my dream Fanal Fantasy, especially if it was made by Mistwalker and Hironobu Sakaguchi.

Maybe Square-Enix should give up on Final Fantasy and sell the franchise to Mistwalker.
 

SalamanderJoe

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Consoles aren't killing Final Fantasy, it's just Square-Enix failing to understand the times and it's customers. Final Fantasy XIII was OK but no where near their stellar games of yesteryear, and in all fairness it's because they keep making silly decisions. Who thought it was a good idea for FF13 to be 70% linear? Who thought no mail system in FF14 was a good idea? Who thought controlling one character and having that character dies means game over for FF13?

They should take a few years to LEAVE Final Fantasy and start something new. Then come back to FF and see what they've learnt in that time.
 

megs1120

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Sean.Devlin said:
megs1120 said:
Jazoni89 said:
No because all of the talent that was in square left and founded mistwalker.

Now that's the straight forward reason why final fantasy sucks nowadays.
Exactly, Lost Odyssey is a Final Fantasy in everything but name, and it's excellent.

The people at S-E are complaining that it's impossible to make a Final Fantasy-style game with towns and a world map because the technology is so good it'd take too long to make.

Lost Odyssey is proof that S-E is just incompetent.
Where can I find SE comments from recent years? I'd like to know their vision a bit better.
Here you go...

http://the13thcrystal.com/2010/02/03/reason-for-ffxiiis-linearity-explained-in-ultimania-interview/

Here are the most relevant quotes...

- FF13 has fewer towns compared to previous FF games, is this related to the nonstop story?

Toriyama: Yes, it is one of the reasons, but more importantly, it is a result of considering HD graphics will be the mainstream. Considering the amount of works to make graphics that deserve HD, it is hard to make towns in the conventional style. In the limited period of development time, to convey the the great story that deserves the name of FF and to convey the battles that entertain players enough, we condensed each element.

Kitase: this thing is related to whether FF7 remake will happen or not. It is very hard to make games on PS3 in the same style as the games in that era had. Making graphics will take enormous time.
 

Danzaivar

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You know what would help Final Fantasy? Make it cel-shaded.

There's only so much they could do with that, so they would have to force themselves to add all the optional stuff they've been cutting out back in. Being told to go from A to B was a lot more fun when you could dick about and make your own journey up to get there.
 

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rockyoumonkeys said:
Well, no.

Modern consoles aren't killing Final Fantasy.

Square Enix is killing Final Fantasy.

They're trying to do too much. They're focusing way too much on the presentation, and not nearly enough on story and gameplay. .
Pretty much what i had in mind.
THey focus too much on graphics at the expense of everything else.
 

RogerKevin

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"Are modern console killing Final Fantasy?"

I wouldn't blame modern consoles for the fact that Squre Enix just can't handle having the option of making their games look really really good.
 

Whitenail

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I'd say it's less to do with the consoles and more to do with the company.

The state of the games industry doesn't make it mandatory for games to be as complex and uninspired as possible, that's cause for the existence of games like Limbo and Minecraft. I think Square-Enix has the same problem that alot of game companies have that are still veterans from back in the day, either they stick fast to what they know and be considered fan-wanking and/or old hat, or to avoid that reputation they try as hard as they can to stay "current" which, more often than not, means that instead of testing the waters to see what new design techniques and rules of thumb works well with their older franchises whilst keeping the core game-to-game characteristics the same they adhere to most cliches of whichever 21st century iterations of their genres in order to profit and not get the reputation I described before.

Then again I've never owned/finished a Final Fantasy game nor have I had much experience with Square Enix so I could be way off in this case.
 

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The japanese/asian market is killing final fantasy. I hated FF13, but the eastern market loved it. The eastern market loves getting spoon fed the story, they love reading walls of text, they love repetitive gameplay and going down a linear game path. They also make up such a large market for Square, that square has to appease them and still try and branch out. They think that making the graphics awesome and advertising the hell out of it will make us like it. Western gamers like games with free roaming and they don't want to watch hours of cutscenes (at least, not all the time (metal gear <3)). It has nothing to do with modern consoles, it's the eastern market.
 
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Jazoni89 said:
No because all of the talent that was in square left and founded mistwalker.

Now that's the straight forward reason why final fantasy sucks nowadays.
Exactly Hironobu Sakaguchi is now obviously the only man that made FF great. Oh and Nobuo Uematsu. Those two combined make Final Fantasy.
 

Demonicdan

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A series with 8 games is obviously going to be showing signs of decay, be thankful they made it this far without making "Final fantasy Kart."
 
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I have to disagree with FFVI having no what the fuck who was that guy and where am I going moments. There was plenty of the lter post cataclysm. No new consoles are killing FF. Every generation of FF fans have to say the next is shit and the games aren't what they used to be. The FFIV fans well to a smaller degree think that was the peak while FFVI think that was FFVII do but don't mention it given the games rep and FFIX/VIII like to be very vocal about it being better than FFVII given that they seem to think their opinion is somewhat unique. It isn't there are many people who liked FFVIII and FFIX. Why do people seem to think it was badly recieved(I mostly mean the latter in that statement)? Not to offend anyone with that but every generation does think their particular game is peak.

Little rant aside plenty of people have legitimate reasons for hating new games or any other FF games but new consoles are not to blame for the problems. They will either shape up and fix the actual problems that are starting to persist in their games or fall into obscurity.
 

TomLikesGuitar

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Time is killing Final Fantasy.

It's simply not fun anymore.

This happens with any IP after 10-15 years of the same crap.
 

megs1120

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Demonicdan said:
A series with 8 games is obviously going to be showing signs of decay, be thankful they made it this far without making "Final fantasy Kart."
Umm... They already did [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocobo_Racing].

Chocobo Racing!
 

Woodsey

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Alright, sometimes companies fuck up, and games are shit.

This does not mean they put all of their attention on the graphics - the only way you can do that is with funding anyway. The guys behind the graphics don't moonlight as writers and animators.
 

Random Argument Man

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Didn't most of the original team left after FF10? That would be one explanation why it's different.

Modern consoles? That would explain why it takes so damn long for them to come out.
 

Canid117

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Tarkand said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
They're trying to do too much. They're focusing way too much on the presentation, and not nearly enough on story and gameplay.

But to be fair, FFXII is one of my favorite games of all time, and easily my favorite FF game. So I don't completely agree with what I'm saying.
That's my point thought! They're only doing that because they have the ability to do it now. They didn't before.

In short, FF were better game when they had to work within the confine of limited technology. Now that 'the sky is the limit' and they can go crazy with 25 disk per games... the game have dropped off greatly in quality (IMO anyway).
It isn't the consoles fault that Square is full of idiots who are too lazy to be creative.