Are teengers really that dense?

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ninjaRiv

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They go back on to the sites for a few reasons. Including:
1. Morbi curiosity. If you're depressed and such, you can often do a lot of things that'll make it worse including going into situations that will get you bullied like this.
2. They have friends on there. Just because people are bullying them doesn't mean they don't have other reasons to go online.
3. Peer pressure. People feel they NEED to visit these site now, I guess. And when you're a teenager, peer pressure is all the more effective. "You're not on Facebook? GET OUT OF MY SITE!!!" Or something like that.
4. The belief that they can handle it. Like when you try to keep your hand on a car that's been out in the sun all day.
 

Something Amyss

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Abomination said:
Sanshou said:
Also that ask.fm girl sent 98% of those hate messages to herself. Only 4 were traced from other people.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/10236272/Ask.fm-Bullied-girl-sent-hate-messages-to-herself.html
That's just... confusing.

What are the timestamps of those messages? Pre or post-mortem?

Because we're either looking at a girl who had some serious issues or a parent trying to divert blame.
Or a social networking site looking to divert blame.

I'm not saying it happened, but I wouldn't rule it out without some sort of investigation.
 

Something Amyss

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Sanshou said:
I dont get it.
Depressed kid does something extreme for attention before killing herself based on real stimulus?

What's not to get?

That is assuming it's true, given that it's coming from sites like the Daily Fail and the Times, as there's a vested interest in Ask.fm covering their asses. None of which make it out to be a story promising a lot of truth.
 

Yuuki

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Whenever I hear of some teen suiciding over cyber-bullying it's rare to find cyber-bullying the ONLY cause of their suicide, there is always some other aspect that makes the bullying a final tipping point.

Unless they are so incredibly weak-willed that despite living a perfectly normal life, mere words online are enough to cause them to kill themselves...in which case I would (cruelly) state that they were simply eaten by Darwin. With that kind of mental instability they're going to eventually find a way to kill themselves sooner or later.

These kids literally don't know the value of life, they don't value their OWN life and consider themselves completely worthless just because some people online told them so. These are NOT people who have gone bankrupt with millions or dollars in debt, or facing life in prison, or born into terrible poverty where the daily stress + pressure have just become too much. They are perfectly healthy & privileged teenagers living in first-world counties, with their whole lives ahead of them - so what the fuck do they have to justify committing suicide over?

I think part of the cause is a lack of kids involved in extra-curricular activities. It's extremely important for parents to make sure their children find something they're GOOD at and make it part of a regular activity. Knowing you're good at something (or many things) can greatly help keep you motivated and raise your self-esteem, this is a fact. The impact of bullying can be greatly lessened if the kid has something else to focus their mind/attention on, something they enjoy doing. Even better if that activity allows them to make friends who also share in that activity, e.g. joining a sports team or club or something.
It's extremely important to keep children and teenagers BUSY, because everyone knows what most teenagers do when they have absolutely nothing to do - either shut themselves at home on their computer, or loiter in the streets potentially getting into shady shit.

It also seems the majority of cyber-bullying suicides are happening with teenage girls, with the minority consisting of boys who were victims of homophobic bullying. It's just some sort of weird trend I noticed when I tried to look up all the reported suicides over cyber-bullying.
Perhaps it's more common with females because bullying based on gossip/rumors happens a lot more amongst them, they take words a lot more literally. With males bullying tends to be far more direct. I dunno, just trying to analyze it.

In any case, parents play a big role in all this and they need to make sure that their children have a healthy mix of activities and just aren't left to themselves. Bullying is an unavoidable part of life and instead of PURELY blaming the bullies (which is just fucking stupid, bullying amongst children has existed since the beginning of civilization), find a way to help the kid deal with it and get over it. If the bullies are physically assaulting the victim then I can understand that adults need to quickly step in, but getting depressed and committing suicide over social networking? Is this the state of teenagers today, where their entire concept of self-worth/value revolves around facebook/text messages?

Parents, how can they just sit there and let their child reach such a stage? Looking you America.
 

Yopaz

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Having been bullied both in real life and a little online I would like to point out that while the real life deal has left me in a state which makes me unable to trust anyone and the cyber bullying has made me roll my eyes and move on I don't get it either.

However I have heard about some pretty nasty things when it comes to cyber bullying and it isn't simply as easy to avoid as "don't go to those sites". I know a girl who got pissed at her sister and signed her up on a dating site for fat people with public email address. That's actually one of my more easygoing examples.

There was a guy who uploaded naked pictures of his ex on a few internet sites which made her look like the biggest slut in town. She had to move to get away from the abuse since almost everyone she knew had seen her naked and had their view of her.

There was also the girl who had once posted a picture of herself topless in the past and got bullied to the point where she switched schools and someone online blackmailed her unless she would give him a show.

Cyber bullying may sound harmless because it's something you can leave behind you when you get off the internet, but that isn't always the case. It can be more than just a few rude words or insults. Since a lot of us open up more online than we do to those in real life those clever cyber bullies also have an easier way to exploit over weaknesses and insecurities. Words can hurt and if they're well aimed they can shake our confidence even after going offline.

Are teenagers dense for not realizing how to avoid cyber bullying or are we dense for not understanding how cyber bullying (and human psychology) works? Honestly, I'd say it's a little bit of both.
 

michael87cn

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flarty said:
Well, here in the U.K cyber bullying seems to be a big issue at the moment, after some teenagers have killed themselves over abusive comments and messages, with ask.fm being at the centre of the storm.
Now while this is a horrible tragedy for the families involved. My question is when did teenagers became so dense? Are they not aware that they do not have to visit these social networking sites? If they were really so upset at receiving such distasteful messages off anonymous people couldn't they just switched off and watched funny cat videos instead?

Are some teenagers really that socially backwards that they rely on social networking sites these days?
Pretty sure either

1) They feel obligated to use the social websites for some friend(s).

2) They have to see the people bullying them online in real life at some point, so they can't just ignore it.

3) They just haven't matured yet.
 

VodkaKnight

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We have devoted the task of human interaction to the machines.
And yeah, a lot of people kill themselves over social sites.
 

Talvrae

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That ight give you all track to answer that question: http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/feb/07/family6
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Dead Century said:
Moist. Secure. Maybe a little dirty. Don't you think it's unrealistic to expect everyone to understand every reference?
It's probably not unreasonable to expect anyone interested enough to express the question of "who" to be capable of doing fifteen seconds of research on Google.
Expecting anyone to associate themselves with The Big Bang Theory for any amount of time should be a crime on-par with actual bullying.
 

Mossberg Shotty

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I'm 18 and I realized how stupid social media sites like Facebook were when I was still in highschool. The only reason I made a profile in the first place was because a friend (at the time) all but forced me.

Deleted my profile and haven't had one since.
 

AidoZonkey

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Honestly, yes teenagers are that dumb, but when you were a teenager you were that dumb. Between the ages of 12-18 people generally do some of the more stupider things in there life like smoking, drinking and doing drugs. Think back to when you were as a teenager. When I look back I see an overemotional idiot, and because of this I took everything someone said about me personally. Its only when I reached 16 that I stopped being so serious and learnt just to have a laugh and not give a crap.

Most teenagers are like this, blowing everything out of proportion and taking everything personally. So when your a teenager and someone says "Your useless, go kill yourself" online, they think that they those people generally mean it and they a hurt by the comments. So if there's a large influx of comments from people online, no matter who they are, it can lead to these people becoming depressed and killing them selfs. Especially with the most resent "Cyber Bully Suicide" were the comments were made on a personal post she made making the comments all too real for her.

The only thing that we can do is make sure that if these teenagers really feel that bad about them selfs, then for them to go and seek help. We don't need people to stop being anonymous and we don't need to blame sites for how they run there forums. We need to educate people about trolls on the internet and how to avoid them as well as show people how little comments on the internet mean.

So yes teenagers are that dumb, and so were you at somepoint
 

6urk17s

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Ah, ask.fm, truly, our greatest invention to offset all those immigrants. I think she is like the 3rd person to kill herself because of it. I am surprised no one over here has done it, considering its popularity.
As a Latvian, I believe Ask.Fm should burn in hell for being yet another useless social media site for "yoloswagger" teenagers. I swear my friend linked me to some girls profile that would have FBI hunting you down, if you understand what I am trying to say. We don't need that to our name goddamn it!
As a teenager, I can say that some do, some don't. I got both type of friends. I personally fall in the second category, with the only social media I frequent is Skype, if you can call it that kind of a social media.
Personally, I don't understand it myself why everyone one is so obsessed with the Social Media and how some people are so easily hurt and offended.
I guess they care to much for what others say and don't have a mindset to shake it off? This baffles me as much as it does you, but maybe that is because of my anti-social nature and not being in the loop of things, as well as having been exposed to Internets darker side for 6 years now and having been called by called and been calling my friends cheap prostitutes since the age of 6.
 

Ecliptica Wolf

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Technically these forums are a social network and people still get hammered on here. I know we have admins but you could ask the same question about why people come onto The Escapist. For the group of friends you're in you will all communicate in the same place and anyone who doesn't will be left out, no one wants that so nobody stops.

In terms of Cyber Bullying, people should report it at the earliest opportunity.
 

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Bullying is never justified. Not even when it comes in form of text one can easily look away from. It's never a question with an answer as simple as "Technolgy is evil" or "Teenager are dumb". It's always a complex issue, it's always about the lack of information and communication.
 

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The thing for me is if it was a bully from the childs school that continues bullying after school online. Then yes something needs to be done whether by family and school.

But if a British child joins a social media site in Austria and gets insulted by a stranger from Brussels. Then they should just log out. Go some where else. I understand that you may not get away from bullies that live near you or go to your school. But online and bullying strangers, just log off. That seems common sense to me. Are people now days so dependent on tech for there social interaction with friends? That is what i find sad.