Are there any 'pro female' sayings of physical strength/non-physical beauty?

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geK0 said:
Woah there, that last paragraph is starting to sound an awful lot like eugenics, that's quite the touchy area ethically speaking : S
I don't see how. It is in no way controversial to state that your genetic makeup partially determines your physical capacity; that's fundamental biology. Eugenics is advocating the active "improvement" of the gene pool, usually through some sort of selective breeding process. I made no statement in support of such an ideal or practice.

ForumSafari said:
Yes, that means some random schlub can probably overpower most trained women.
Citation needed.
 

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Title, I've been thinking as of late is there any list of pro female sayings/insults like, 'Be a man', 'Man up', 'Grow some balls', like men have - but not based on physical beauty or sexuality? Can we get a complied list?

[On a side note, how did the gender that pushes living, human beings - limbs, head and all - out of their sexual organs NOT get the 'physically durable' note from society?]

Okay so short collected list:

Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned.

Which requires that a woman be hurt/scorned first before she's really capable of doing anything. Grand.



aaaaaand that's it. Great.
"The female of the species is deadlier than the male" (true throughout a lot of nature)

"The lion may be fiercer, but the lioness more cruel"

I could probably think of more but those are two of them about not messing with women that first come to mind (apologies if others put them up first).

Overall though, in reality women have not historically been involved in martial pursuits, not do they tend to be as aggressive and lead with violence, as a result you haven't seen a lot of long standing platitudes of this sort. Whether any will appear through the first world military or not remains to be seen. Your best bet however is to look at fantasy literature and see if anyone has come up with anything snappy when dealing with female warriors, that won't be "real" but it can work.

It should also be noted that the US as a general rule has not really gone to war for a very long time, rather we've been involved in various armed incidents and police actions we've called wars, ones highly observed and regulated with moral watchdogs constantly crawling all over them. As a result we haven't really ever pitted female dominated units against those of other countries on a large scale, small scale conflicts, yes, but nothing compared to say trench warfare or some of the battles during World War II. What's more a lot of the martial sayings and stuff come from units involved in real wars who are committing what modern politicians consider war crimes. A lot of the bonding between units comes from shared experiences, and the rhetoric and mythology behind units oftentimes comes from inspiring fear and harboring dark secrets and the like behind.

To put it this way, let's say we simply decided "F@ck it" and the US embraced my points on dealing with The Middle East, so we bomb the crap out of the entire region and engage in total war once again. In the process of breaking the culture we send in our troops in force to outright exterminate most of the survivors and erase cultural and historical trappings. For purposes of manpower this means we have all-woman military units on the front lines, fighting dug in civilians fighting for their homes and sheer survival, as well as what troops are left... much like the final days of World War II. These ladies start putting other women and children up against walls and blowing them away, have people dig mass graves, and burn down mosques, historical records, and museum pieces with the same abandon that was taken to the Nazis and their iconography. If these units succeed, they are going to come away with a history and comradarie unlike anything else (even the bonding in pseudo-wars like the ones we have) the things said by their victims and vanquished foes are going to form the foundation of these kinds of platitudes, which will be repeted to remember what a group of stone cold bitches they were, and of course that shared mythology and necessity is part of what helps people come back and "power down" from warfare afterwards. I think part of why we see more PTSD today in part because of politics, with people suffering in war, but in many cases feeling they accomplished very little and did not make the enemy pay for what happened, leading to beliefs in a continued threat, and so on.

See, the thing is that it's one thing for a unit to just call itself something like "Hell's Belles" or "The Demon Dolls" or whatever else, but it lacks any real sincerity. Names like that tend to work when it comes from someone else. Basically when say Muslims start calling you "Hell's Belles" or some equivalent because your arrival is like demons, your going to be merciless, and not even the smallest children will be spared... a reputation that might spread and cause people to kill themselves or their loved ones rather than risk facing you and losing. Then it has meaning, and of course that's when you start seeing people wax poetic about how utterly vicious and deadly you are, especially when cruelty and a stomach for slaughter are backed by fighting ability (defeating your own enemies and then doing nasty stuff to the survivors being a bit different than simply being a death squad even if the distinction is lost on some people). Sure it might not be PC, but units that have scary sounding names and have been around for a long time usually did something to earn them in a past war, and oftentimes things that wouldn't meet with modern approval. For example it's been argued that we've fallen so far as warriors that great American heroes like Patton who knew how dirty war needed to be, would be considered war criminals today. Conversely that also means that I think the odds are very low of us really engaging in a real war again, even possibly at the expense of our own destruction, I suspect if we DO start seeing platitudes and infamous names and such appearing for female warriors it probably won't be as a result of American military actions which is kind of ironic given some of our pushes to bring women more directly into the military.
 

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No. For various reasons, the identification of the female gender developed based around a duality of opposition shared with men.
Men = strength, endurance, suppression
Female = beauty, wisdom, emotion, expression.

If that's a bad thing for you, so be it. But it may well be just as bad for me that my gender is associated with bluntness and physical attributes. You won't find many pro-male sayings based around beauty, sensitivity, spirituality and connection with nature.
 

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I tend to use "grow some damn genitals" more often than "grow a pair" or "grow some balls", and genitals is gender neutral, but other than occasionally hearing "grow some ovaries" I haven't heard a pro-female version, and that is rarely used. It sounds really forced, so it makes sense it's rarely used. Genitals rolls off the tongue real easy though.
 

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Keoul said:
Uh all I can think of is.
"Put your big girl pants on"
Which is kinda like saying man-up? I just remember hearing it that one time from BattleBlock Theater.
I think I've heard that one!
And it sounds as stupid as "man up" or "grow some balls" do ...
Guess I'm not big on those kind of sayings, hehe.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Not really, no, the manly virtues are placed in opposition to the lesser virtues for women.

Ryotknife said:
Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned?
Usually the misquote has "fury", and it's not really pro-female.
Wrath sounds more pithy truthfully. I think the quote sounds badass personally. Kinda like "you mess with the bull you get the horns" only more old fashioned and doomsday-ey.
It can go both ways.

My point of reference is a courtroom drama called "The Rainmaker". In one scene a lawyer goes on to grill a (female) witness, who is providing damning testimony against his client. When the lawyer finds out the witness is his client's former mistress, he goes on to discredit her entire testimony as unrreliable, citing "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, your honor". Basically he's disregarding the witness' testimony on the grounds that the witness is female, and females' capability for "fury" is so intense that they are incapable of acting and speaking objectively when affairs of the heart are concerned.
 

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Fieldy409 said:
Does describing a woman amazonian count as pro female?
Depends on what you're into, I think. Some guys like Amazonian women and some don't.

That said, as a word I find "amazonian" to be fairly neutral. But that's just me.
 

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Fieldy409 said:
Does describing a woman amazonian count as pro female?
Depends on what you mean. Some people use Amazonian to describe a woman who isn't feminine, like a lesbian or transgender. So them describing a woman as Amazonian could mean they are acting masculine, which in this context would be bad because they're implying that isn't a good or natural way for a woman to behave. The Amazon stereotype has often been used in homophobic or transphobic insults, and general digs against women who aren't feminine.
 

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"Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not hard."
-Charlotte Wilson

"I?ve never met a woman in my life who would give up lunch for sex."
-Erma Bombeck

There are some others I know, but these are the two I like most.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Not really, no, the manly virtues are placed in opposition to the lesser virtues for women. snip
If "Man up" or "Grow a pair" are there to portray manly virtues, then the manly virtues are "Don't burden others with your problems" and "Deal with your man's issues yourself, they are not important". If anything, the fact that there are no similar sayings involving women, shows only that society tends to take women's concerns more seriously.
 

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one squirrel said:
thaluikhain said:
Not really, no, the manly virtues are placed in opposition to the lesser virtues for women. snip
If "Man up" or "Grow a pair" are there to portray manly virtues, then the manly virtues are "Don't burden others with your problems" and "Deal with your man's issues yourself, they are not important". If anything, the fact that there are no similar sayings involving women, shows only that society tends to take women's concerns more seriously.
Except being independent, able to a take take care of yourself and sort thing out yourself are good traits. Needing other people to deal with your shit is very negative. People only take women's concerns more seriously because hey, you're just a women. You can't expect to be a functioning, competent human being. A lot of women could benefit from being told to "man up" rather than being content to be useless and dependant.
 

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Lilani said:
Fieldy409 said:
Does describing a woman amazonian count as pro female?
Depends on what you mean. Some people use Amazonian to describe a woman who isn't feminine, like a lesbian or transgender. So them describing a woman as Amazonian could mean they are acting masculine, which in this context would be bad because they're implying that isn't a good or natural way for a woman to behave. The Amazon stereotype has often been used in homophobic or transphobic insults, and general digs against women who aren't feminine.
Twintix said:
Fieldy409 said:
Does describing a woman amazonian count as pro female?
Depends on what you're into, I think. Some guys like Amazonian women and some don't.

That said, as a word I find "amazonian" to be fairly neutral. But that's just me.
I suppose it's because I'm into lifting weights and want a woman who lifts but I've always thought of the phrase as a way to describe a type of strong beauty, a warrior woman. But I can see how it'd be taken other ways I guess.
 

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Fieldy409 said:
I suppose it's because I'm into lifting weights and want a woman who lifts but I've always thought of the phrase as a way to describe a type of strong beauty, a warrior woman. But I can see how it'd be taken other ways I guess.
Yeah, again it really depends on the context and how well you know the person. For someone you don't know well, you might ease into the Amazon comparison by starting with Wonder Woman, since she's a strong female who people don't mock for being strong or masculine, and since part of her lore is that she's an Amazon. But if it's someone you know well then I'm sure they'll see what you mean by it.
 

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DementedSheep said:
one squirrel said:
thaluikhain said:
Not really, no, the manly virtues are placed in opposition to the lesser virtues for women. snip
If "Man up" or "Grow a pair" are there to portray manly virtues, then the manly virtues are "Don't burden others with your problems" and "Deal with your man's issues yourself, they are not important". If anything, the fact that there are no similar sayings involving women, shows only that society tends to take women's concerns more seriously.
Except being independent, able to a take take care of yourself and sort thing out yourself are good traits. Needing other people to deal with your shit is very negative. People only take women's concerns more seriously because hey, you're just a women. You can't expect to be a functioning, competent human being. A lot of women could benefit from being told to "man up" rather than being content to be useless and dependant.
Well, I fully agree with that. Still, to me it looks like the political cosensus is to take all responsibilities away from women and to pamper them in every conceivable way. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 

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one squirrel said:
DementedSheep said:
one squirrel said:
thaluikhain said:
Not really, no, the manly virtues are placed in opposition to the lesser virtues for women. snip
If "Man up" or "Grow a pair" are there to portray manly virtues, then the manly virtues are "Don't burden others with your problems" and "Deal with your man's issues yourself, they are not important". If anything, the fact that there are no similar sayings involving women, shows only that society tends to take women's concerns more seriously.
Except being independent, able to a take take care of yourself and sort thing out yourself are good traits. Needing other people to deal with your shit is very negative. People only take women's concerns more seriously because hey, you're just a women. You can't expect to be a functioning, competent human being. A lot of women could benefit from being told to "man up" rather than being content to be useless and dependant.
Well, I fully agree with that. Still, to me it looks like the political cosensus is to take all responsibilities away from women and to pamper them in every conceivable way. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Women get pampered in the same why you pamper a child or a favourite pet. Oh sure a lot people will exploit that because a lot of people have no pride and will take everything they can get or they are stupid and think they actually can't do shit without help but at the same time many girl don't like this. When I have product I bought taken off me so the boys can set it up, have task taken off me, have a guy refuse to let me pay for something, have retailers talk to my father, brother or male friend rather than me when I'm the one buying or I get "don't worry your pretty little head about that, we'll sort it out" despite my protests they're not helping and I'm not feeling pampered. They are just using me as a way to inflate their ego. When people are light on a girl who did something wrong because they "didn't understand" or must have been pressured into by a guy it's an insult. They think you're so low you can't make your own decision and are only worth pity. Yes there are benefits but it's at cost self-worth.