nightmare_gorilla said:
aside from the fact that analyzing a joke makes it excruciatingly unfunny?
Does knowing how a dish is made taste it any worse? Does understanding the biology behind affection make you love your child any less?
I want to know how things work, and I especially want to understand human social structures.
And bonding via humor is a very important part of it.
nightmare_gorilla said:
Humor is funny, it's inherently designed to make people feel good.
Not everyone however, and it's never just about making someone feel good.
It's about social bonding, giving context to your relationship, and sometimes about dehumanizing certain groups.
For example, a scene I witnessed a while ago:
A daughter told her mother she had rented her apartment to a black couple.
The mother then went on to joke about how that was a mistake since those black people were savages who'd shit on the floor and build a fire in the kitchen.
Rest of the family joined in in the ridicule, partly to make fun of them weird foreign folks that just aren't like US, and partly to embarass the daughter and her choice to rent out her place.
nightmare_gorilla said:
Honestly i think ascribing something sinister to a giggle says more about you than it does about the joke itself. you're definitely entitled to your opinion but I don't think just because you find a racist joke funny doesn't mean you're a racist. I laugh at all kinds of things that in other situations would be highly offensive but when a whole room full of people are laughing at the expense of a not real person what's the harm?
Why do you find a racist joke funny, then?
And even if you don't, even if you just laugh as a some kind of social act without actually holding those beliefs yourself...
You're still partly promoting racism.
Racism, sexism, homophobia etc aren't things you decide to do. You don't go and put your blackface on to commit some racism, those are attitudes deeply seeped into the culture.
Another example.
My mum's husband doesn't usually tell jokes like that,definitely not to me, but when he is with his friends, they tell homophobic jokes to each other. As a part of male bonding. 'Look at us, how heterosexual we are'.
My mum confronted him about it, and he said "It's okay, I don't really think that."
They why are you ridiculing being gay?
You're just a part of the problem, promoting a thought that gay men are not manly, that they are worthy of ridicule.
It would not be a problem if the society wasn't already telling gay men that.
Besides, what if one of those men was gay or bi? How'd they feel when the group they are a part of (a group of work-friends, I might add) are brought together by showing disdain for what they are?
nightmare_gorilla said:
laugh all you want about the hunter in that last joke you can't hurt his feelings because he's not real. we are not oppressing him. i've seen in my life sooooo much good done through humor and people being brought together over a good laugh the idea of using humor to "hurt" people is wholly alien to me.
You have never heard of propaganda?
You have never heard of ridicule used to bully people?
Humor can be absolutely used to ridicule, and understanding it and why you laugh at things is important.
(And there are people and things that deserve to be ridiculed)
It doesn't matter if the person in the joke isn't real, if the punchline still is for example 'rape is funny when it happens to a guy'.
In the bear-joke you told it's not just that, it's the ridiculousness of the situation etc.