Are there genuine reasons for hatred against Square Enix?

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Sung-Hwan

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What I mean is if the company engages in shady practices, or acts in a way that is genuinely harmful or insulting to their consumers. I myself don't know much of this yet, and am liking the company's games a lot, but it would be nice to read about. To further clarify, by "shady practices," I basically mean something like Capcom's DLC antics, or Gearbox and Aliens: Colonial Marines.
 

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Point The First: Not liking games developed by a company who previously created games you did like is about as "genuine" a reason as you can get for not liking a company.

Point The Sequel: Final Fantasy All The Bravest [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_All_the_Bravest].

Point Revengeance Reloaded: The way they've been teasing their fanbase about Final Fantasy VII for about eight years now.

EDIT: Return of the Point: Oh yeah, their DLC ending stuff they pulled with Final Fantasy XIII-2 was insulting as well.
 

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shrekfan246 said:
Point The First: Not liking games developed by a company who previously created games you did like is about as "genuine" a reason as you can get for not liking a company.

Point The Sequel: Final Fantasy All The Bravest [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_All_the_Bravest].

Point Revengeance Reloaded: The way they've been teasing their fanbase about Final Fantasy VII for about eight years now.
@Bravest, that is terrible, I'll admit. Honestly, did anyone get suckered into this?

And at point two, I don't really get what you mean by this, but I will look into it and come back.

But interesting stuff. Thank you. It's just weird because looking into their history, Square made the much loved Final Fantasy games, and Enix was behind Dragon Quest. Put those two companies together and you would expect magic, no?
 

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Sung-Hwan said:
And at point two, I don't really get what you mean by this, but I will look into it and come back.
Just the way Square Enix has been coy about the fan calls for a remake of Final Fantasy VII. It's all well and good for them to say they're not going to do it because it would be too expensive, which they have, but they pull things like the Playstation 3 tech demo -- which recreated the opening sequence of Final Fantasy VII in a shiny new engine -- and this recent Playstation Experience event where they make it out like they're going to bring a new version of Final Fantasy VII to the PS4 but then reveal that it's just going to be a port of the PC version, which is itself just an updated port of the original game.

Sure, it's still one of those arguable "subjective" things to get upset about, but in my eyes it's pretty hard to deny that those sort of actions are Square Enix openly taunting their customers.
 

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shrekfan246 said:
Sung-Hwan said:
And at point two, I don't really get what you mean by this, but I will look into it and come back.
Just the way Square Enix has been coy about the fan calls for a remake of Final Fantasy VII. It's all well and good for them to say they're not going to do it because it would be too expensive, which they have, but they pull things like the Playstation 3 tech demo -- which recreated the opening sequence of Final Fantasy VII in a shiny new engine -- and this recent Playstation Experience event where they make it out like they're going to bring a new version of Final Fantasy VII to the PS4 but then reveal that it's just going to be a port of the PC version, which is itself just an updated port of the original game.

Sure, it's still one of those arguable "subjective" things to get upset about, but in my eyes it's pretty hard to deny that those sort of actions are Square Enix openly taunting their customers.
I just went and saw this Playstation Experience reveal you mentioned. I find it funny I missed this, because I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. This is basically trolling, no matter which way you look at it. I say trolling because I would hate to think Square Enix is actually stupid and did this thinking people would like it.
 

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Honestly I'm just angry that they aren't making Eidos and Crystal Dynamics to develop sequels to Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Tomb Raider respectively. Having never been a fan of their other mainstay series I've managed to dodge those bullets.
 

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Sung-Hwan said:
shrekfan246 said:
Point The First: Not liking games developed by a company who previously created games you did like is about as "genuine" a reason as you can get for not liking a company.

Point The Sequel: Final Fantasy All The Bravest [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_All_the_Bravest].

Point Revengeance Reloaded: The way they've been teasing their fanbase about Final Fantasy VII for about eight years now.
@Bravest, that is terrible, I'll admit. Honestly, did anyone get suckered into this?
Hell, I didn't know All The Bravest was a thing until that Jimquisition where Jim "Thank God for Him" Sterling was tearing it a new one.

So yeah.
 

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Longtime fans of RPGs have another reason to dislike the company: their priorities were pretty messed up for 10+ years. Despite gaining a foothold in de west with games like Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy, they decided people were no longer interested in those games and whatever RPGs did have that old-school flavour were kept in Japan. It took Nintendo publishing Bravely Default to show them people still want to play those games.

Then there's the fact that they're neglecting pretty much any Japanese RPG series that isn't Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts or Dragon Quest. Heck, they're not even bringing over Dragon Quest VII to the west! So, while they used to be the company that brought gamers Vagrant Story, SaGa's, Xenogears and much more, they're now that company milks the old Final Fantasy games and may one day release Kingdom Hearts III and Final Fantasy XV. They do have one valid excuse for this lack of creativity, though: in the late 90's early 00's many talented people left to start their own studio or work freelance.

(They are working on some new SaGa stuff, but I wonder if those games have any chance of reaching western shores.)
 

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Because I'm always less than impressed with developers who just spam their most popular franchise instead of making new stuff. It keeps other games and ideas from having their shot, and often ends with a very stale and bloated series. Seriously, when your flagship franchise has got entries numbering in the double digits, you need to let it die. Yet, as much as people like to make fun of Hollywood for making constant reboots and sequels, this is a tendency I've noticed most in the Japanese entertainment industry.

Gordon_4 said:
Honestly I'm just angry that they aren't making Eidos and Crystal Dynamics to develop sequels to Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Tomb Raider respectively. Having never been a fan of their other mainstay series I've managed to dodge those bullets.
Also mostly this.
 

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I'm a huge fan of Lufia 2.

Lufia 2 is a 16 bit RPG on the SNES, packed with an awesome storyline and challenging puzzles. It was originally made by Neverland Co. The same people behind the Rune Factory series.

Square Enix knew Lufia 2 had potential so it attempted a remake, which was released in 2010.

What came out was something I can only describe as, "Square-Enix-ified" Where all the characters were transformed into generic anime tropes with shitty Square Enix haircuts.

That's probably the only reason I hate Square Enix, taking something I love and shitting all over it.
 

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Sung-Hwan said:
What I mean is if the company engages in shady practices, or acts in a way that is genuinely harmful or insulting to their consumers.
Points have been made to that, but I think I'm going to go a different route and talk about the healthiness of their business practices. Remember, they blamed Tomb Raider (a game that moved over 4 million units) and Sleeping Dogs (a new IP that still got over 2 million sales, plus a metric fuckton of DLC) for their fiscal troubles. If a game can sell 4 million units and be part of the problem, either Squeeenix isn't being honest or there's something rotten in the state of Denmark.

Gordon_4 said:
Honestly I'm just angry that they aren't making Eidos and Crystal Dynamics to develop sequels to Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Tomb Raider respectively. Having never been a fan of their other mainstay series I've managed to dodge those bullets.
But Tomb Raider is getting a sequel, isn't it?
 

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Shanicus said:
shrekfan246 said:
Sung-Hwan said:
And at point two, I don't really get what you mean by this, but I will look into it and come back.
Just the way Square Enix has been coy about the fan calls for a remake of Final Fantasy VII. It's all well and good for them to say they're not going to do it because it would be too expensive, which they have, but they pull things like the Playstation 3 tech demo -- which recreated the opening sequence of Final Fantasy VII in a shiny new engine -- and this recent Playstation Experience event where they make it out like they're going to bring a new version of Final Fantasy VII to the PS4 but then reveal that it's just going to be a port of the PC version, which is itself just an updated port of the original game.

Sure, it's still one of those arguable "subjective" things to get upset about, but in my eyes it's pretty hard to deny that those sort of actions are Square Enix openly taunting their customers.
Isn't there a HD remaster coming out for Final Fantasy X sometime? I think there's a lot of stock in the 'Sqeenix are just trolling at this point' line of thinking, given every boy and his dog wants Final Fantasy VII remade but the popular consensus on X is 'That laughing scene was fucking atrocious'.
A remaster of the remaster, if you want to get technical. The remaster for the PS3/PS Vita already came out, they're apparently doing it again for the PS4.

Yeah.

Though X is pretty well-beloved, from what I've seen. Personally, I'd love for them to bring the International Zodiac Job System version of Final Fantasy XII over to the US, since it completely changes how leveling works in the game.

It's kinda funny when you think about it really, since Sqeenix complains about low profits a fair amount yet it's hard to not imagine they'd make money hand over fist with a remastered VII. Maybe they just hate money?
I've thought that they're afraid of making money for a while now.

Don't get me wrong, I believe them when they say remaking VII from scratch would be prohibitively expensive. There's a reason there hasn't really been an actual world map in Final Fantasy since IX (though, to be honest, XII's world is large enough that I don't think it really matters). But at least at one point in time, the return of investment on a remake of VII would've certainly been enough to cover the actual costs. Who knows about now, after they've spent the past few years burning bridges with the fans who grew up with them?
 

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Genuine hatred? I don't think there is a rational reason to have a genuine hatred of Square Enix. They make video games. They don't harm people and although you may question their business practices, they are not holding a gun to your head and demanding you buy their games.

Annoyance? There are plenty of reasons to be annoyed with Square Enix - their micro-transactions, the direction they've taken Final Fantasy and their endless blaming of their Western divisions when their Japanese divisions are doing even worse in many cases. But even then, that only elicits a mild degree of annoyance.

Disappointment is my overriding emotion when it comes to Square. I feel that they lost the plot completely with Final Fantasy. I could barely stomach FFXIII with its soulless, borderline NPC-deprived world and unlikable characters (how anyone could like Hope or Vanille, with her ridiculous "California-mixed-with-Australia" accent, is beyond my comprehension).

I find it hard to hate any video game company. Hatred is a strong emotion and should be reserved for things that actually warrant hatred - like CIA blacksites, ISIS, Mexican Drug Gangs or Child Predators. Not video game companies, unless they have actually broken the law. My generation is so quick to hate, and their hatred is often caused by minor issues.
 

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Shanicus said:
It's kinda funny when you think about it really, since Sqeenix complains about low profits a fair amount yet it's hard to not imagine they'd make money hand over fist with a remastered VII. Maybe they just hate money?
Maybe, just maybe these two are linked? The thought just entered my head that the reason they keep trolling us with a VII remake is that it's their last ditch, Hail Mary pass should the company financial issues become critical. Keep us interested in it by bringing it up every so often, so that when it finally does arrive(in time to allegaly save the company from bankruptcy) the fans will gobble it up.

I have no proof that this is the case, just some idle theorizing.
 

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Lets see, Final fantasy used to be a great game and now it's pretty much bin fodder with shiny graphics. If that isn't enough reason to fall out with a company then i don't know what is. Hate? Nah! I save that for anonymous internet trolling...i'll let you decide if i'm pro or anti :p
 

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Because I'm always less than impressed with developers who just spam their most popular franchise instead of making new stuff. It keeps other games and ideas from having their shot, and often ends with a very stale and bloated series. Seriously, when your flagship franchise has got entries numbering in the double digits, you need to let it die. Yet, as much as people like to make fun of Hollywood for making constant reboots and sequels, this is a tendency I've noticed most in the Japanese entertainment industry.
Hey, credit were credit is due. Square Enix does something new with every installment.

The main problem is that their attempts as creativity are often misguided. Stupid corridors in Final Fantasy XIII making the game boring... As a bonus every new installment offends a different part of the fanbase because it's not similar enough to their favourite. And as a rotten cherry on the melted sorbet they just can't seem to produce new installments in a timely manner. They have no clue what kind of their fans want and their own idea of a good game may be even more vague, resulting in an extremely messy development process where lots of time and money is wasted. It's a miracle Final Fantasy XIII turned out as well as it did. (And then they had to release those sequels to actually get a shot at making a decent profit, so... yeah.)
 

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They still haven't localized the Dragon Quest VII remake. I think that's a perfectly good reason to hate them.
 

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Shanicus said:
shrekfan246 said:
Sung-Hwan said:
And at point two, I don't really get what you mean by this, but I will look into it and come back.
Just the way Square Enix has been coy about the fan calls for a remake of Final Fantasy VII. It's all well and good for them to say they're not going to do it because it would be too expensive, which they have, but they pull things like the Playstation 3 tech demo -- which recreated the opening sequence of Final Fantasy VII in a shiny new engine -- and this recent Playstation Experience event where they make it out like they're going to bring a new version of Final Fantasy VII to the PS4 but then reveal that it's just going to be a port of the PC version, which is itself just an updated port of the original game.

Sure, it's still one of those arguable "subjective" things to get upset about, but in my eyes it's pretty hard to deny that those sort of actions are Square Enix openly taunting their customers.
Isn't there a HD remaster coming out for Final Fantasy X sometime? I think there's a lot of stock in the 'Sqeenix are just trolling at this point' line of thinking, given every boy and his dog wants Final Fantasy VII remade but the popular consensus on X is 'That laughing scene was fucking atrocious'.

It's kinda funny when you think about it really, since Sqeenix complains about low profits a fair amount yet it's hard to not imagine they'd make money hand over fist with a remastered VII. Maybe they just hate money?
Here I thought that people had agreed that pretty much every final fantasy made after VII was a steaming pile of shit. Then again I suppose it's that whole "Diversity of opinions" thing that the internet seems to keep forgetting exists.