Are these people serious!?

[The Madman]

That being said, I still don't understand why it's okay to take away someone's property that they paid for just because they broke the rules. Suspension? Sure. forced into a cheater pool? Sure. A badge marking them as a cheater? Sure. But revoking someone's game seems a little extreme to me. If I cheat while playing Monopoly, Hasbro doesn't send G-men to my house to take away my board and pieces. Maybe the difference is that with a real life game you have to face the judgement of your friends/family/the people sitting across from you. And I do suppose that cheaters need to be kept out of ranked especially to prevent the more serious play from being impacted.

Generally speaking online games like these are considered a service, with the initial fee or subscription or whatnot giving you access to said service rather than acting as a standalone product. As such a more apt comparison would be something like a gym fee, where you can indeed be kicked out without refund for bad behavior.

 

[Neverhoodian]

These people are narcissists, pure and simple.

Normally I bristle at the term "games as a service," as it's usually bandied about as an excuse for publishers to nickel-and-dime consumers to death. When it comes to cheating however, there is no stronger argument in its favor. Cheaters in online games actively ruin the experience for others, and if they don't realize that or don't care then I have absolutely no sympathy for any bans that head their way (assuming the bans are legit, of course...false positives have been known to happen). Hell, I get pissed when people decide they'd rather conga than go for the objective in TF2. Save those antics for idle/achievement/trade servers, the rest of us would like to play the game as it was actually meant to be played.

 

[FalloutJack]

Holy fuck, dudes! I don't know how I missed that one! God, I don't know whether to laugh or cringe!

They say laughter is the best medicine. Does wonders for me. I've seen petty complaints from people who shout at X-Box Live admins. I don't feel bad when I see this stuff. Compared to some of the stuff out there, the Escapist is a Gentleman's And Lady's Club for Cultured Badasses. That's not to say that it's exclusive or anything, but the standard is higher.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

... Oh yes, that is beautiful. It absolutely reeks of special little snowflake brats (regardless of age) with a false sense of entitlement throwing a hissy fit over their actions actually having consequences. I can't help but feel a satisfying amount of schadenfreude over it ...

Spoiler: This applies

Spoiler: As does this

Some may think I'm a bad person for it, but I'm fine with that.

 

[rcs619]

That being said, I still don't understand why it's okay to take away someone's property that they paid for just because they broke the rules.

See, that seems to be the big misconception.

You don't actually own Overwatch. You paid Blizzard 40 to 60 bucks for a license to access their game, and before you could do anything you had to agree to an EULA where you gave Blizzard permission to potentially revoke that license if you did something that broke the EULA (like cheating).

That's just the weird nature of these online-only games. The only thing you're actually buying is permission to access the game serves, as long as you follow the rules laid down by the people who own those servers.

If there was an offline component of Overwatch, then yes, they would own that through their purchase and Blizzard would have no right to revoke that part. The online component requires Blizzard's permission to access though, and they are well within their rights to revoke that. Just happens that with Overwatch, that's the entire game.

 

[Bobular]

This has made my day, I don't think I've had problems with cheaters whilst I've been playing Overwatch (though I've been accused of cheating because I can hit a stationary target at close range with Pharah) but seeing the reaction of blatant cheaters trying to defend their actions was hilarious so thanks for that.

 

[MrFalconfly]

That being said, I still don't understand why it's okay to take away someone's property that they paid for just because they broke the rules.

See, that seems to be the big misconception.

You don't actually own Overwatch. You paid Blizzard 40 to 60 bucks for a license to access their game, and before you could do anything you had to agree to an EULA where you gave Blizzard permission to potentially revoke that license if you did something that broke the EULA (like cheating).

That's just the weird nature of these online-only games. The only thing you're actually buying is permission to access the game serves, as long as you follow the rules laid down by the people who own those servers.

If there was an offline component of Overwatch, then yes, they would own that through their purchase and Blizzard would have no right to revoke that part. The online component requires Blizzard's permission to access though, and they are well within their rights to revoke that. Just happens that with Overwatch, that's the entire game.

That's according to US law I presume.

Because according to EU law, you very much own your copy of Overwatch.

However, you don't own the servers, and Blizzard still have every right to make and enforce their rules on those servers.

Which is why I don't really play Multiplayer-only games.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

Spoiler: So they are openly admitting to using aimbots and are surprised that they have been banned?

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

That being said, I still don't understand why it's okay to take away someone's property that they paid for just because they broke the rules. Suspension? Sure. forced into a cheater pool? Sure. A badge marking them as a cheater? Sure. But revoking someone's game seems a little extreme to me. If I cheat while playing Monopoly, Hasbro doesn't send G-men to my house to take away my board and pieces. Maybe the difference is that with a real life game you have to face the judgement of your friends/family/the people sitting across from you. And I do suppose that cheaters need to be kept out of ranked especially to prevent the more serious play from being impacted.

Generally speaking online games like these are considered a service, with the initial fee or subscription or whatnot giving you access to said service rather than acting as a standalone product. As such a more apt comparison would be something like a gym fee, where you can indeed be kicked out without refund for bad behavior.

Right, I gotcha. I suppose that lack of ownership is really the crux behind the anti-digital goods argument. It's definitely a strange relationship between seller and consumer, and I guess it was a little naive of me to still think of an online only, digital good as a physical purchase in this day and age. It still makes me feel a little icky though to think that players are just renting out the right to play a game rather than buying and owning it. I play League of Legends occasionally which is similar but at least that's free if you don't bother with the cosmetic stuff. Getting banned doesn't mean an offender is out $40-60.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Near as I can figure is that some people can't grasp the concept of You break rules, you suffer consequences.

 

[Sonmi]

Nothing wrong with the ban, good on Blizzard for weeding out the cheating undesirables from their game.

 

[Erttheking]

"What I did was wrong and I understand that and am sorry"

-Very few people

Very few human beings lack the awareness to know when they screw up. It's just easier to say that the problem is with everyone else.

 

[Saelune]

I have never cheated in a video game nor will I ever. I don't see the point in playing a competitive game and cheating. Where's the fun in that?

That being said, I still don't understand why it's okay to take away someone's property that they paid for just because they broke the rules. Suspension? Sure. forced into a cheater pool? Sure. A badge marking them as a cheater? Sure. But revoking someone's game seems a little extreme to me. If I cheat while playing Monopoly, Hasbro doesn't send G-men to my house to take away my board and pieces. Maybe the difference is that with a real life game you have to face the judgement of your friends/family/the people sitting across from you. And I do suppose that cheaters need to be kept out of ranked especially to prevent the more serious play from being impacted.

I don't want to play with cheaters just as much as the next guy, but I guess I just can't muster up the energy to get enraged over someone using an aimbot in a computer game, and I don't like the idea of big poppa Blizzard stepping in and taking away people's game that they paid for. These reactions are hilarious though. In the end they all signed the EULA that said cheating won't be tolerated so hey, they should have seen this coming.

I prefer to think of it as supporting the fair people who ALSO PAID for the game. If they did not want to waste their money, well, they should not have cheated. Certainly makes people more likely to rethink cheating if actual valued things are on the line.

 

[Helter Skelter]

Note: I only read the first few so I'm making some assumptions here (Namely, they are bitching that they cheated and got banned because of it)

There are plenty of people around who believe that their game is their game and that they can cheat if they want to. It doesn't matter if "their" game involves screwing over a whole lot of other people since it's a multiplayer game; THEY are the ones that should be able to do whatever they want because they enjoy fucking with other people (Whether it is for a competitive advantage or "For the Lulz").

People are kind of stupid

Most people are mostly average. These people mostly seem very young, and in a few cases, not altogether functional. Cut them a little slack, while I'm sure the stupid shit we did as kids was different, I'm sure it was just as stupid.

"What I did was wrong and I understand that and am sorry"

-Very few people

Very few human beings lack the awareness to know when they screw up. It's just easier to say that the problem is with everyone else.

That's almost always true only in a declining asymptote, in which the 'X' axis is time and distance from their fuckup.

Shit you are a harsh bunch here.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

So...wait, what did they actually DO to get banned? 'cause that matters a lot.

 

[DefunctTheory]

So...wait, what did they actually DO to get banned? 'cause that matters a lot.

Trigger and aim hacks, mostly.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

So...wait, what did they actually DO to get banned? 'cause that matters a lot.

Trigger and aim hacks, mostly.

This may seem...noobish of me, but I don't play FPS competitively at all. What's a Trigger-hack? Is that just like a turbo button on the controller trigger?

 

[DefunctTheory]

So...wait, what did they actually DO to get banned? 'cause that matters a lot.

Trigger and aim hacks, mostly.

This may seem...noobish of me, but I don't play FPS competitively at all. What's a Trigger-hack? Is that just like a turbo button on the controller trigger?

It autofires the weapon whenever you aim your weapon at something. So you can just flail your mouse around in the general height of an enemies head, and you'll hit it automatically.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

"are Blizzard really gonna punish people who paid money for this game" so what about those who paid who don't cheat. cheaters are punishing them.

 

[Warhawk137]

"are Blizzard really gonna punish people who paid money for this game" so what about those who paid who don't cheat. cheaters are punishing them.

I spent money on a car, doesn't mean I shouldn't be punished if I drive 60 through a school zone drunk.