Are they bad or do we just *want* to hate them?

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Casca_O

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I find people, myself included, (is it self righteous of me to think that I have to qualify my statements by including myself in everything negative?)tend to latch onto a game and wail on it as hard as they can as the "wurst gaem evar". Even people who tend to just play everything and not complain as long as they can kill something or solve a mystery or puzzle

Sometimes it's perfectly legitimate (there are lists everywhere so no need to spout out anything) but it seems a lot, though I may be mistaking these as the most vocal, seem to take on the biggest mainstream name of their disliked genre. Most common in my experience are Final Fantasy and Halo. What's wrong with these games? Final Fantasy has been among the overarching gaming community longer than my 20 years of life and up till now has always explored new stories, characters, places and mechanics. Each time see what else they can do, not like many game series which would release the same game with better graphics and maybe a new swath of jungle to explore. Upwards of 40 games bearing the weighty Final Fantasy (closer to thirty if you don't want to count the Chocobo titles) marking.

As a collection it is an exemplar of story telling and audio excellence (voice acting notwithstanding). It spans several genres, themes, aesthetics and dynamics. Admittedly it does almost always bring back the heavy grinding and random encounter system in the Numbered games (capitalized for a reason says this squenix fan boy and yes I'm mature enough to admit that I'm a fanboi) and they story sequences get lengthy and heavy but have you tried playing Xenosaga? It takes two hours to get to a stage where you are finally in control of a character beyond wheeling them from conversation to conversation, then, after a lackluster combat sequence which lasts approximately 20 minutes if you don't grind, you lose control again for about 48 minutes to change characters completely and play a poorly executed or reasoned stealth section. At least with Final Fantasy they drop you into a big event in the beginning. The dangerous plains surrounding Corneria, the monster attack on the Red Wings returning to Baron, infiltrating Mako Reactor No. 5, even a play with sword fighting and a chance to earn money before getting deep into overly expositional dialogue. There is humor, there is drama, there is spectacle. Maybe I'm over looking what so many hate it.

Halo is good. I don't know enough about it to go into depth but ever since games have been emulating it. Recharging shields. Melee without changing weapons. Grenades on the shoulder keys (I think that might have been old actually but I don't know for sure) It had a compelling story, sympathetic characters surrounding the faceless hero, beautiful graphics, excellent pacing (at least the two levels I played) and violence that's intense and visceral and always waiting around that corner for you to come and instigate it. It seems more like the goal of FPS gaming (from an outsider looking in) rather than something to be detested with more body than a single body should be able to generate.

If you read all of that good on ya. What other games do you think are just victims of "hate by genre" or "hate by popularity"?
 

mark_n_b

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Way too long for the point. Allow me to summarize for the rest of the forum goers:

Some games are hated not so much because they are "bad" games but for some other mysterious reason: Example Halo, Final Fantasy. They must be good games, but you can't go to a topic about them without hearing about how they "sux0r".


Summary ended. My response: this happens for a lot of reasons, sometimes the people who just don't like these games or genres are given a platform more readily to talk about it. You gotta hate the big dogs is another reason (why do people hate MS, they aren't abusing any third world countries or anything), a lot of these titles are also conducive to identifying with a console (if you like Halo you are professing loyalty to the Xbox) and we don't need to discuss console fervor, finally there is the fact that these games cause excessive loyalty that results in being a total asshole to anyone who does not totally love the game (which results in growing hate)

Any game that is the "flavor of the week" will do this. It's tough for me because I get this and try to keep an open mind. I also realize that anything I would like might not be liked by someone else.
 

Copter400

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For me at least, if a game is hated it's because it was bad.

Can't speak for the other denizens of the Internet, though.
 

Downside

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people like to hate stuff that everyone loves so they appear to be different and non comformist. But in a massive twist of irony they end up like all the other people who think the same way and hate on it for the same reason.

But there are some people who actually hate the game from bad experiences etc like a halo disc falling from a tall building and slicing their arm off.
 

Theo Samaritan

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Its more down to what people want in a game I feel. You are a Final Fantasy fan so I can best explain it as the differences between FFVII and FFIX. Both brilliant games, but some people hate IX and love VII, whereas some people (noticably those who played FFVI) Like FFIX and hate VII.

Also remember that while Halo 1 was good, Halo 2 and 3 were both lacking what H:CE had in many respects. Considering that Halo CE was never more than an arcade shooter with not much depth (the story gains depth with the books, other than that its average in the games) you can see why Halo 2 and 3 are sub par in everything other than multiplayer (which is by no means innovative).

It is down to pure opinion in the end. Of course with the internet, opinion soon becomes "fact".
 

Flour

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I never 'hate' a game unless everything that could be considered good is destroyed in a sequel.

To use the halo and Final Fantasy examples:

I loved Halo:CE because I could go through it by shooting everything, but I didn't like Halo 2 because it focused on multiplayer(I refuse to pay to be allowed to use my internet), but I never hated the series until I played Halo3 and found out they murdered the controls.(I had to spend 2 hours relearning how to reload or switch weapons without doing the opposite or dropping my weapon)

I can't hate the FF series because none of the console RPG's I've played can be considered sequels. They just have the same name and it's not part of a continuing story.
 

HuntingWolf_01

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i don't hate any game, cause after all im not being forced to play it. but i have to say i don't like FF because its just not my kind of game, i played it to see what all the hype was about but, i don't know it did'nt click for me.
 

Baby Tea

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Downside post=9.71890.740800 said:
people like to hate stuff that everyone loves so they appear to be different and non comformist. But in a massive twist of irony they end up like all the other people who think the same way and hate on it for the same reason.

But there are some people who actually hate the game from bad experiences etc like a halo disc falling from a tall building and slicing their arm off.
I would agree. Not about the disc severing your arm (Though that would piss ME off), but about the 'trying to be different' part.

I would also say that some people do it as a subtle 'flame war' for the 'opposing' console. I hear a lot of PS3 fans say how Halo sucks, and a lot of Xbox fans say Final Fantasy sucks.

But really, numbers don't lie. If a game 'sucks' (According to the almighty gaming forums) but sells millions of copies...does it suck? To some, sure. But evidently not to everyone.
 

Ultrajoe

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Theo Samaritan post=9.71890.740806 said:
Also remember that while Halo 1 was good, Halo 2 and 3 were both lacking what H:CE had in many respects. Considering that Halo CE was never more than an arcade shooter with not much depth (the story gains depth with the books, other than that its average in the games) you can see why Halo 2 and 3 are sub par in everything other than multiplayer (which is by no means innovative).
As much i hate myself for being 'this guy'. Please explain why you find those aspects lacking and don't just assert their poor quality as fact.

It is on those innocent seeds that a flame war is born.

And everyone hates certain games, after seeing what the Escapist does to Halo fans, i'm not surprised if 50% of them are just going along with it out of fear. Here they tend to disperse... but should blood be smelt in the water they rush in with such old-time favorites as 'every Halo player 'TALKZ LIK DIS!!!11ONE''

Ah, pack hate, was there ever such a more beautiful thing?
 

Boober the Pig

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Games are always judged against expectations. We hear they are great and beloved so we expect to love them. If they come up short of our expectations we feel cheated and hate. Take Portal, a lightly hyped throw-in with the Orange Box. It was short and repetitive and made up for it with an amusing narrator. If the game had been a stand alone, full priced game marketed as the best game of the year then it would be universally derided for falling short of the hype and not being worth the money.
 

Digitalpotato

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I usually don't like games for one reason or another. I'm obviously not going to get a generic World War 2 / Sci-Fi / "Let's be like Halo" FPS and expect to like it, especially if it gives me Carpal Tunnel from playing it. Whereas I May be like a DnD induced "Ye olde British isles" RPG if it's at least entertaining. If it's something like Fable or Oblivion I'd probably be bored silly playing it.
 

DeadlyFred

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When I spend 60 bucks on a game I can assure you that the last thing I want is to hate it.

Also, I actually thought Battlefield: 2142 was very good...
 

Random Argument Man

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I think expectations are too high. It seems the gamers of today are expecting that Wow factor to the 7th generation.
It actually ruins the experience.

I'll go Nick Naylor style on my next game. Everyone deserves a fair chance of enjoyment.

Note* If you readed my previous posts, you might noticed I said "I hate the 7th generation" . I would like to retract those comments.
 

Baby Tea

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Khell_Sennet post=9.71890.741188 said:
2. Hate the hype - Halo 3, I'm looking at you. There is a point where no matter how much interest I have/had in a game, the fanboyism, advertising, and/or hype has driven me away from the game. The game may be perfectly fine, but the fans or the hype has pissed me off so much, I just can't touch it.
I'd say this is a bit unfair and silly. I mean, if a game has a ton of hype and 'fanboyism' ...but is actually GOOD, then what's the deal? I'm not defending Halo 3 here, by the way, just trying to understand your logic...which I don't.

If it's hyped like crazy and sucks: Fine it sucks. Stay away.
But if it's hyped up like crazy and it's good, you'd stay away just because fans of the game are idiots? That's like not buying a certain brand of car because the prick on the highway cut you off in the same brand. The car is fine, it's the jerk driving it.
 

xitel

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I never buy a game without doing research, so I never want to hate a game. I have certain types of games I don't like, such as fighting, racing, and sports games. But that doesn't mean I say "Moto GP 3 is t3 crapz" or something like that. I leave game judgements to people who like the genre. If I don't think I'm gonna like a game, I won't buy it. That's just a waste of money.

And I borrowed 2142, didn't think it was bad, didn't think it was better than BF:2, but not bad.
 

n01d34

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Part of the problem is that the Internet breeds binary reactions. Everything is either win or fail.

Are Halo and Final Fantasy bad games? Of course not, BMXXX is a bad game. Are they the gaming equivalent of mana from heaven? Well maybe not. The problem is everyone has this 'your either with us or against us' mentality.
 

TheGreenManalishi

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There's few games i 'hate'. But to be honest i dont have the time or funds to rent games i've never heard of and delcare it hated. plus all the decent wii games get so much attention, you pretty much feel like you've played it before it even comes out.
 

Anton P. Nym

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Most of the hate comes from platform wars or franchise wars, in my opinion. Many "haterz" are dumping on something in order to make his/her/its favourite look better by comparison, or as an excuse for his/her/its loyalty.

And some do it for the attention, or out of herd pressure.

It's tough to ignore, but I suspect that ignoring it is generally the best policy.

-- Steve