His opinion and experiences do.Kermi said:
And yes, unfortunatly people feel the need to put "Standards" into how we live. Despite those standards, wherever I go, I say "Fuck it" and have a little bit of me in it.
Are we bullied into acting the way we do?
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And yes, unfortunatly people feel the need to put "Standards" into how we live. Despite those standards, wherever I go, I say "Fuck it" and have a little bit of me in it.
Socialization is the process of making one human like the rest. That is the purpose of institutions like schools, to bring new humans in to a functional role with the rest of the species. Whether or not you chose to accept the rules of these institutions is up to you. There is and always has been a pressure to fit in perfectly with society by acting and thinking in accordance with the generally accepting paradigm; it is those who diverge from this paradigm that bring us art and innovation. They still exist just as they always have.
*Phhhhh* *hold it* *cough cough*
And then I was all like... Dude... dude, come on... then I was all like... hey, are you listening, this is good dude, come on pay attention. So then I was all like, hey... What if, yeah this is where it's good... What if we all like, just do stuff, because like people... You know I mean people like are really spineless. Like man, what if we all see stuff, and like that stuff makes us all the same. Dude...
This is my reenactment of how this idea came to the OP. Thank you all. No no, the applause really isn't necessary.
And then I was all like... Dude... dude, come on... then I was all like... hey, are you listening, this is good dude, come on pay attention. So then I was all like, hey... What if, yeah this is where it's good... What if we all like, just do stuff, because like people... You know I mean people like are really spineless. Like man, what if we all see stuff, and like that stuff makes us all the same. Dude...
This is my reenactment of how this idea came to the OP. Thank you all. No no, the applause really isn't necessary.
to be honest. i would be a much gentler soul if the world didn't inflict itself on me.
in fact, i'd much rather be passive and gentle than how i am now
in fact, i'd much rather be passive and gentle than how i am now
Bullied - no, socially pressured - absolutely.
Societies like to build their standards of "normality" and if you don't play along then you can't be part of their group.
Just look at the smaller scale around you, the rich guys will demand that you are rich before you can tag along, the emo guys will require you to be a sobbing little sod, gamers will be out for your blood if you don't play real gamez!, ... so on and so forth.
But to comfort you, the greatest minds of this world were always seen as outsiders in their time.
Societies like to build their standards of "normality" and if you don't play along then you can't be part of their group.
Just look at the smaller scale around you, the rich guys will demand that you are rich before you can tag along, the emo guys will require you to be a sobbing little sod, gamers will be out for your blood if you don't play real gamez!, ... so on and so forth.
But to comfort you, the greatest minds of this world were always seen as outsiders in their time.
I think you are possibly right. I wont go into my crazy conspiracy about how school is just meant to turn you into another zomebie ready to type in words.
But i do think unconsciously the world does.
Also when asked to ask normal i say
"This is normal for me, If im not harming anyone whats the big deal?"
But i do think unconsciously the world does.
Also when asked to ask normal i say
"This is normal for me, If im not harming anyone whats the big deal?"
Several things. One, you're taking about a problem that's always existed and assuming it's a recent thing, which is always annoying. Second, your post is dripping with condescension. You aren't better than a single other person on the planet, don't delude yourself. "Mass tyranny of the senses" sounds like a 90's tech death song title, and actually saying it with 100% seriousness makes you sound silly.Svenparty said:
Bullied into conforming? I don't really think so for most of society.
Indoctrinated and trained? Yes. After all, that's what we do when we raise our children. Teach them through training what is expected of them and what is acceptable.
It also doesn't hurt that humans are hard-wired for a social construct. We need a community to belong to and identify with. We want to be accepted by that community and belong to it.
Thankfully, that level of self-identification can vary wildly. We, especially in the telecommunications/internet age, can CHOOSE the nature of the community we wish to be a part of.
Unfortunately, while those alternate avenues exist for many of us, they do not exist for everyone and other community/societal groups can always put pressure on us to conform to THEIR standards, especially if that community expects us to be a member of that particular group.
Part of the very essence of being human is learning to walk that line between what we want and what is expected of us.
Welcome to humanity, pick up your pack of moral dilemmas as you exit the womb.
Indoctrinated and trained? Yes. After all, that's what we do when we raise our children. Teach them through training what is expected of them and what is acceptable.
It also doesn't hurt that humans are hard-wired for a social construct. We need a community to belong to and identify with. We want to be accepted by that community and belong to it.
Thankfully, that level of self-identification can vary wildly. We, especially in the telecommunications/internet age, can CHOOSE the nature of the community we wish to be a part of.
Unfortunately, while those alternate avenues exist for many of us, they do not exist for everyone and other community/societal groups can always put pressure on us to conform to THEIR standards, especially if that community expects us to be a member of that particular group.
Part of the very essence of being human is learning to walk that line between what we want and what is expected of us.
Welcome to humanity, pick up your pack of moral dilemmas as you exit the womb.
Yes, this is a serious issue, though it has actually been getting better, not worse. We just have a ways to go still.
Our focus should be on improving education; as other folks have pointed out, we are often unintentionally indoctrinating our students to have a limited view of the world. I don't say this lightly, but that's why so many people commit suicide; they can't see the freedom they really have, and their own unique worth.
We have to keep working on that. The only societal restrictions should exist to protect everyone's rights. Beyond that, there should be uninhibited individual freedom. That's what I believe the United States are all about.
Our focus should be on improving education; as other folks have pointed out, we are often unintentionally indoctrinating our students to have a limited view of the world. I don't say this lightly, but that's why so many people commit suicide; they can't see the freedom they really have, and their own unique worth.
We have to keep working on that. The only societal restrictions should exist to protect everyone's rights. Beyond that, there should be uninhibited individual freedom. That's what I believe the United States are all about.
We pick up our behaviroural traits and personality quirks not just from our experiences in life but also from the people we associate with, in other words, it goes without saying that we all fall under pressure from others to act a certain way (that's more or less how we form who we are as people at a young age).Svenparty said:
There's no such thing as being truely 'normal' so to an extent everyone is going to have something unique about them (it may not immediately be apparant or even a good thing but that weird little quirk is going to be in there somewhere).
Also, if everyone was original and eccentric then it means that eventually the words would begin to lose meaning and that you wouldn't be original or eccentric anymore (sort of like how the whole 'rebellious teenager' thing is so common and stereotyped now that the only way to really rebel as a teen is technically to conform and seperate yourself from the 'rebellious' stereotype).
What exactly do you do that causes people to tell you to act normally?
I'm not exactly what you'd call a 'normal' person and yet you're sounding a tad weird (and this time I'm not being positive when I say that) and that you have something of a superiority complex (it was when you started off by calling everyone 'meatbags' that tipped me off).
My mother used to say, "I support individuality, in moderation".
I see this to be the norm, you can be yourself to an extent, but you still have to fit in. If you don't fit in you won't get the job that more "normal" applicants applied for as well, you will have more trouble finding a mate, you will be unwelcome in social circles and branded weird, or an outcast.
The idea of what's normal changes from generation to generation, based on what's going on in the world in that particular time, everything from media to government influences social norms and it has always been this way, and always will.
Thank goodness for the weird outcasts, without them we would be lacking in great art and literature.
I see this to be the norm, you can be yourself to an extent, but you still have to fit in. If you don't fit in you won't get the job that more "normal" applicants applied for as well, you will have more trouble finding a mate, you will be unwelcome in social circles and branded weird, or an outcast.
The idea of what's normal changes from generation to generation, based on what's going on in the world in that particular time, everything from media to government influences social norms and it has always been this way, and always will.
Thank goodness for the weird outcasts, without them we would be lacking in great art and literature.
It's the norm for a reason. Of course there should be limits, but be yourself. That's how I make things interesting anyway. If you're weird, your life will be interesting. If you're boring, your life will be just that, boring. But most people do things a certain way because it's easiest, or best. If you want to say "fuck the system" by walking on the road... I'm just saying few things lack consequenses.
There's no right way to live, but you should find a middle path on conformity and being you. Oh, and everyone else has to work on it too. I want it to be socially acceptable for a man to wear a dress, for example. Not that I actually want to wear a dress. I'm saying fuck conformity in a lot but not all aspects!
There's no right way to live, but you should find a middle path on conformity and being you. Oh, and everyone else has to work on it too. I want it to be socially acceptable for a man to wear a dress, for example. Not that I actually want to wear a dress. I'm saying fuck conformity in a lot but not all aspects!
Socially conditioned, certainly. But conditioning needs continual reinforcement, reaffirmation. Without it you'd go back to a child-like state of complete spontaneity.
