Not really. New Zealand?s a nice enough place to live and I?m glad I was born here but I don?t have any real loyalty to the country.
Are you Patriotic?
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Patriotic as in "I'm so proud of my country it's the best"? No, any and all the big innovations my country (Canada) contributed to the world would have nothing really to do with me. To try and claim responsibility for it would be arrogant and a disservice to those who are actually making the world a better place.
Patriotic as in "I think my country is a pretty cool place to live"? Yeah, I quite like Canada as it's first-world, has all the neat shit like free healthcare and good education while being pretty diverse and full of interesting people.
Patriotic as in "I think my country is a pretty cool place to live"? Yeah, I quite like Canada as it's first-world, has all the neat shit like free healthcare and good education while being pretty diverse and full of interesting people.
Nope, not at all (American here). Fanatic devotion to any one thing or concept is never good to begin with, but what really did the trick for me was having served in the USMC for some years, essentially busting up other people's countries. That pretty much drained any small bit of nationalism I still had right out of me.
I wish I could say that simply valuing one's country is a worthy goal, and if it were that, I'd agree. The issue I see in daily life has to do with the way patriotism here in America is handled. More often than not I find it serves to try and make the people not be suspicious of their governing body. Which is exactly what we ought to be.
I wish I could say that simply valuing one's country is a worthy goal, and if it were that, I'd agree. The issue I see in daily life has to do with the way patriotism here in America is handled. More often than not I find it serves to try and make the people not be suspicious of their governing body. Which is exactly what we ought to be.
No, I'm not. If you're patriotic in Sweden you're seen as a nazi/racist, so we're as screwed as the Germans.
Patriotism isn't compatible with the Jante Law anyways.
Patriotism isn't compatible with the Jante Law anyways.
Being a Cyprus born white British male. I can quite comfortably say that I am not patriotic at all to Cyprus or England. I watch after the football to see how both teams have done once every so often (Cyprus failing to do anything and England always fall below expectations as of late) but I wouldn't lay down my life for the country
I like the country I live in (even if is has gone downhill in recent years) and I am proud to be British but I don't think it is the greatest country on the planet just because it's the one I was born in. If I thought it was the greatest country on the planet I would have had the urge to emigrate several times.
Somewhat. I think the Netherlands is a cool place, and I'm proud of some of its accomplishments (first to legalise gay marriage yo!), but I'm the first to admit it has flaws as well, and I don't think it's 'the best country on the planet' or anything like that
Nope. Went to "Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln" with a friend yesterday. Laughed my way through the speech. Laughed my way through the concluding pretentiousness (suddenly twilight balconies and eagles!). Couldn't breathe when I left to see a hallway with portraits of Miley Cyrus, Michael Jackson, and whatever else the Disney corporation was telling me constitutes a modern folk hero.
Americana, especially the overt kind that gets broadcast through this part of the season, is injected with delightful amounts of delicious irony. And I consume it with bacchanalian frivolity. Every. Single. Year.
Americana, especially the overt kind that gets broadcast through this part of the season, is injected with delightful amounts of delicious irony. And I consume it with bacchanalian frivolity. Every. Single. Year.
Nope. I respect my country, but that doesn't mean I need to get a tattoo of it's flag on my arm and walk around with a Kangaroo plushy shouting about how great Australia is. The Politics is shit, the land itself is not too great and we're filled (at least in my area) to the brim with fucking idiots. There are worse places to live, but there are also better places.
Definitly no. Patrotism is toally silly. Being proud of your nation? How does that even work. It's not like i had a major say the last 200 years to shape it the way it is, so there's no way i could be proud of it.
Happy to live here? Definitly, but that's something diffrent.
It's just a motion to keep the masses busy in a dick-waving contest on which country is the best. It's the console wars all over again. Or the same with brand-loyalty gone wrong like in the case of Apple.
Happy to live here? Definitly, but that's something diffrent.
It's just a motion to keep the masses busy in a dick-waving contest on which country is the best. It's the console wars all over again. Or the same with brand-loyalty gone wrong like in the case of Apple.
Not in the slightest, patriotism is just another thing to hold a country back, and with the Scottish Independence vote coming next year, I am not looking forward to having buckets of nationalist propaganda shoved down my throat.
Don't get me wrong, I still plan to vote yes for independence, but only because I plan to emigrate to Canada in the next few years anyway. Besides, it's a zero sum game to me: there's no way anyone can fuck the country up more than Labour and the Tories did, and even if they do, I can say, 'see I told you this was a fucking stupid idea'.
All that being said, I am no longer ashamed of my Scottish accent the way I used to be, thanks, in large part, to Peter Capaldi and Paul Higgins:
Don't get me wrong, I still plan to vote yes for independence, but only because I plan to emigrate to Canada in the next few years anyway. Besides, it's a zero sum game to me: there's no way anyone can fuck the country up more than Labour and the Tories did, and even if they do, I can say, 'see I told you this was a fucking stupid idea'.
All that being said, I am no longer ashamed of my Scottish accent the way I used to be, thanks, in large part, to Peter Capaldi and Paul Higgins:
i believe australia is a great country but i am noy naive enough to think there isn't better and wouldn't exactly go to war to defend someone insulting it's values
at the end of the day i'm just glad i wasn't born in china cause i can't speak a word of chinese....
at the end of the day i'm just glad i wasn't born in china cause i can't speak a word of chinese....
Take it from me, death is preferable to trying to learn the Welsh language.Catfood220 said:
OT: I've always viewed patriotism as something kings/rulers came up with hundreds or thousands of years ago in order to get the common people to fight their wars for them. The fact that it still exists today has always seemed pretty dumb to me.
Not massively, but I realise I do like Britain a bit more than I tend to think I do. Despite being Irish by birth and actually living just outside the city, I consider myself a proud Bristolian, it's a wonderful place that I spent a lot of time growing up in.
Britain has a lot of cool things (we gave the world metal. Who wouldn't be proud of that?) and has a very interesting history Whilst a lot of people piss me off, there are some things about the general British attitude that I like (sarcasm, rooting for the underdog). Frank Whittle, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin and a plethora of other great people where British. Obviously like anywhere there are a lot of bad things, but it's not as bad as some people make it out to be.
Britain has a lot of cool things (we gave the world metal. Who wouldn't be proud of that?) and has a very interesting history Whilst a lot of people piss me off, there are some things about the general British attitude that I like (sarcasm, rooting for the underdog). Frank Whittle, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Darwin and a plethora of other great people where British. Obviously like anywhere there are a lot of bad things, but it's not as bad as some people make it out to be.
No.
I haven't been indoctrinated through my entire life to believe that my country is the best at everything, despite clear evidence to the opposite.
I dislike my government for being incompetent fucktards, but that doesn't mean I'm not feeling a bit of pride whenever a fellow countryman does something impressive.
I haven't been indoctrinated through my entire life to believe that my country is the best at everything, despite clear evidence to the opposite.
I dislike my government for being incompetent fucktards, but that doesn't mean I'm not feeling a bit of pride whenever a fellow countryman does something impressive.
Patriotism is a schmucks game and something that was cynically created purely as a way of gaining cheaper cannon fodder. None of that "My country, right or wrong" rubbish for me. I like all the countries where I have lived but none of them are worth dying for.
It probably doesn't help that one of them made me a citizen purely because they needed more soldiers to throw into the meat grinder of the seemingly endless war they were involved in at the time. Fortunately it ended and the government changed before I was old enough to be conscripted.
PS: This thread probably belongs in Religion & Politics
It probably doesn't help that one of them made me a citizen purely because they needed more soldiers to throw into the meat grinder of the seemingly endless war they were involved in at the time. Fortunately it ended and the government changed before I was old enough to be conscripted.
PS: This thread probably belongs in Religion & Politics
Um... No.
At least, not in any realistic sense. I'm as likely to slag off the country I live in as praise it.
Although... It's a little difficult to really be patriotic when your heritage includes 3 different countries, and you were born in a fourth, and have lived in at least 3 of the countries in question...
I think, to be honest, that on the whole patriotism, and nationalism and similar things are just harming the planet.
So much strife is caused because at a national level countries behave like selfish dicks most of the time, and frequently in ways that, were the country a person, would make them assholes at the very least, and probably criminals in most cases...
When the welfare and way of life of people in one country is so closely tied to stuff happening in a dozen others, behaving as if your country is the only thing that matters is just plain stupid.
At least, not in any realistic sense. I'm as likely to slag off the country I live in as praise it.
Although... It's a little difficult to really be patriotic when your heritage includes 3 different countries, and you were born in a fourth, and have lived in at least 3 of the countries in question...
I think, to be honest, that on the whole patriotism, and nationalism and similar things are just harming the planet.
So much strife is caused because at a national level countries behave like selfish dicks most of the time, and frequently in ways that, were the country a person, would make them assholes at the very least, and probably criminals in most cases...
When the welfare and way of life of people in one country is so closely tied to stuff happening in a dozen others, behaving as if your country is the only thing that matters is just plain stupid.
Well I'm Australian, and yeah, a bit, I like it when people from my country win things despite them having had no support from me personally, and I like it when an Australian attitude of common sense prevails over a stupid one from elsewhere, and I like that Julian Assange and Sea Shepherd and Cadel Evans are Australian, and I like that Ned Kelly is a national figure. And I'm a bit embarrassed when we ban a video game for incidental drug use, or buy a fleet of American aircraft that many experts have denounced as lacking the necessary mobility. But I also know I have no basis for any of this really, so I consider myself a little patriotic but also aware of its silliness.