Area 51. It's a research center, but for what?

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Therumancer

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chenry said:
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Therumancer said:
In a society where left wing politics had us replacing the explosives on our missles with concrete to "avoid civilian casualties" during The War On Terror, it's pretty obvious that if people found out about super-weapons there would be a political sh@tstorm about how nobody should be allowed to have stuff like whatever they are making.
I am hoping you are joking but I suspect you are not. Can you link me a sources?
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1999/10/991007-iraq.htm

You can find more on this kind of thing, that's just a quick link. Look up concrete bombs and concrete missles. The former is much easier.
A 900kg rock falling at 9.8m/s, impacting the ground, has a tremendous amount of force. That's basically dropping a Honda Civic on a house from a plane.
Sure, but at the same time we have spent billions of dollars building bombs and missles designed to level buildings and unleash death and destruction over a wide area. The entire point of such research being that if we ever went to war we would level our enemies. We also hoped that we would never have to wind up using them.

In general even if throwing rocks from planes does a lot of damage, it's also much easier to miss. It's also a heck of a lot less intimidating. The entire point of say dropping Daisy Cutters or collapsing buildings with warheads is so when a nation looks at the amount of dead, including civilians they will be intimidated and nobody will EVER want to face that again. It also means that the guys sitting around are going to be a lot less tolerant of guys like Al Sadr or whatever because when we come from him we would be taking them out too. Think of it this way, even if one is to assume that I'm wrong about the culture (I don't think I am) a bunch of strongmen with guns become a *LOT* less intimidating if you know that if you let them have their way you are going to die just as surely as if they shot you. If say a thousand peasants mobs 50 dudes with automatic weapons, they will eventually run out of bullets and be taken down, albeit at a substantial cost of life. On the other hand if some plane drops a bunch of bombs on your town, kills more people, and on top of it levels their houses, families, crops, and everything else... well... I'm sure you can figure it out.

People forget we did this in World War II, we were hitting all the Nazi factories, farms, homes, and infrastructure. We did just as much a job on their cities in the end as they did to Britan. Worse when you consider what happened when we fought "The Volkssturm" and had to deal with "The Hitler Youth". Monsterous, yes, but that is why war (real war) is a horrible thing.

I consider the entire mentality about sparing civilians and such to be a problem. The reason why they are replacing warheads with concrete is to spare civilian lives, when really that's a bad move both practically, and from the perspective of psychological warfare.

You drop a concrete "bomb" onto some dude's bunker, or through a building, there is a reasonable chance your going to miss the target. Not to mention kill civilians anyway if a buiulding falls on them, or the concrete smashed through the target and goes skidding down the street.

This is getting way off subject though, the point I'm making here is that it's stupid, and why I have little respect for the people who support this kind of thing. I see a war as being less about right and wrong, and more about "us or them", this goes for any war (the winners write the history books). War blows chips and is to be avoided, but when you DO go to war, you should do it right, kill people, break things, and get it over with quickly.

However we are in a polarized country a LOT of people do not agree with me, and due to the propaganda of things like World War II think we can somehow fight an "antiseptic" war (which I won't get into any more). These people are of course adverse to weapons development, and show up at submarine comissionings (down here in the Groton/New London area of Connecticut) and toss fake blood all over the place and so on. Kind of hard to hide submarines under construction, but I'd imagine with other weapons, technologies, and prototypes and such there is a vested interest in keeping them secret. Speaking hypothetically, let's say I made a handheld energy cannon that a single guy could aim at the base of a skyscraper and chop it down just by moving it back and forth... never mind what this could do to takes and infantry. Keeping this secret from other nations is of course a no-brainer (never know who you might someday have to fight), but also in the US at least we have to keep it secret from our own people or else we'll have thousands of people screaming to ban this entire area of research (which might even lead to things not war related) because of how devestating it is and how well it could kill people.

Nothing like that exists, it's just a hypothetical "X-weapon" (X = Unknown, a general term for a secret and unexpected weapon being held back by a goverment). Area 51 is military research, and in the US we have more reasons than most nations to keep this stuff secret.

In the end, if the chips are ever well and truely down, we'll probably be *REALLY* happy that we continued the research, even if right now naive ethics and related politics prevent us from using what we have.

I for one think it's kind of funny (dark humor at it's greatest) that we build the most powerful and advanced military in the world, spend billions and billions on explosives, guidance systems, and jets that are basically impossible to engage... then finally we go to "war" and regress to dropping rocks and engaging on the ground rifle to rifle. :p

Apologies to anyone this upsets, but we all have our own opinions.
 

Outamyhead

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dududf said:
If it's an actual place, then I bet it's a "decoy" to another facility that is doing less then legal tests, but I highly doubt it.
It's real, also has some of the most sophisticated detection tech around the place, they can detect rabbits breaking the perimeter, but I'm pretty sure they have not had anything super classified there for a long time, everyone is looking there, but they are doing all the secret stuff somewhere out of sight out of mind now.
 

SnootyEnglishman

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They actually perform secret experiments and test on new and up-coming mind control technology...but they disguise with the party light and spray your face with a hallucinegenic drug that makes you believe your seeing a big bunny rabbit while you are getting shot at with anti-tank incendiary rounds.
 

EMFCRACKSHOT

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Its where they take the items gathered through the Stargate program. They figure out how they work and reverse engineer them for worldwide human use
 

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PunchClockVillain said:
Its actually the best strip club in the world. Completely clean, free drinks, and the strippers take Monopoly money.
Yessss.....yes yes yes yes! This is excellent. I can see why they'd shoot you for trespassing.

Raiderz said:
From what I've heard, you can actually walk onto the base now. They abandoned area 51 and moved to a different, more secret location. At least that's what I saw on the history channel, or discovery or one of those types of channels.
OK, then why do they arrest people for evening pointing a camera at the facility while driving? Or shoot you for ignoring the warnings not to enter?

In fact, I want to see if these are true, so try and walk onto the facility. We'll wait.
 

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FallenJellyDoughnut said:
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No one talks about area 53.
Google tells me you're referring to the Central and Southeastern Ohio General Service Assembly of Alcoholics Anonymous
Yeah, all those Alcoholics? Its code for Alien!!! DUN DUN DUN!!!
Exactly! AA = Alcoholics Anonymous? Pfft, you mean Alien Assembly
 

Jandau

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Actually, on my List of Things To Do If I Ever Get Superpowers "Infiltrate/Break into Area 51 and see what the hell is going on there!" rates fairly high. SOMETHING must be going on there...

Unless it's all just a ruse to have all the cooks/conspiracy theorists/newly superpowered gamers looking there while the good stuff is being handeled at an unknown location...
 

NOT WILL

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its probably some air force test center and the government dose not want people to know what they are doing there
 

TheRightToArmBears

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Because they don't want people finding out about their to secret arms testing? To be honest, that's a fairly believable and understandable explanation.
 

Gitsnik

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Vie said:
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Vie said:
Practical cold Fusion reactors.
Fixed that for you :)
Cold fusion is impossible, so no it was right the first time.
Improbable. Not yet proven to be impossible. What's the point of a top secret research facility doing something actually useful with current technology. You do that kind of thing in public research labs.
 

rokkolpo

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it's just there to screw with the minds of americans.

i mean, who doesn't like doing that?
 

darkless

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Listen people, picture this it's the middle of the cold war nukes could fly at any second so obvious solution is to build a secret facility that no one knows about where you can hide...at least until some fool takes a picture of it and slaps that bad boy on the internet, suddenly its a conspiracy!

There is no great secret here just and absence of logic.