As video gaming changed too much?

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gamer_parent

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I personally think it hasn't change ENOUGH. There are still a LOT of old hold over conventions that I feel really could use a second look at that the gaming industry has not looked into.

I'm hoping that the new Kickstarter culture can remedy some of that.
 

Julius Terrell

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I do agree that the indie scene is probably the only place for me to go. I LOVE music games. I started playing Dance Dance Revolution(ddr) when it first became popular, but soon the community started to die out. There is still a dancing game community with other dance games like ddr. I found my happy place there, because stepping on arrows makes me feel good. If it wasn't for the community, there would be no music games. Official studios have nearly given up on the idea of dance games or music games in general.

In essence, I understand that I HAVE to look toward the indie scene or heavily invest in the portables.

I guess I just miss the days where the games I liked were the games everyone talked about.

I played braid,peggle, and some vids of super meat boy. Super meat boy really impresses me.

My favorite genres:

Music games
2D fighters
platformers
2D shooter(Shumps)
Puzzle games
JRPGs

Lastly, we need more puzzle games. It seems like nobody is really putting out puzzle games anymore. I could be wrong, but that's just how I see it. Plus we need more peggle and Lumines. More skins,more music. I'm sure that's not asking too much?
 

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Julius Terrell said:
Music games
2D fighters
platformers
2D shooter(Shumps)
Puzzle games
JRPGs
You see, that's your problem right there.

Industries in general pander to the current flavour of the moment, and at the moment it's modern-military shooters. Battlefield, Call of Duty, etc. There are some other genre's that still exist (Real-Time/Turn-Based Strategy, Third-Person Shooters, RPGs, Sports) but FPSs are the main thing at the moment.

You'll almost never find another genre in hardcore gaming especially in Gamestop.

Those genres have pretty much either migrated to Steam or the Wii/U. I'd recommend you look deeper into both as they're still plenty of those types of games, particularly in the indie section.
 

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Well, 2D fighters (as in 1v1 fighting games, of course) are generally really high investment ticket items, as is JRPGs when it comes to professionally made stuff. In those cases, those games will definitely still be in the mainstream. (i.e. Street Fighter, BlazeBlu, Final Fantasy, etc) platformers are now the new indie favorite though. If you look on say, reddit r/gamedev, for example, half of the new projects that get a showcase thread are platformers.

Shumps might be niche now, but there is really no shortage of places to go to find new content. Especially in the Japanese circles. Seriously, those guys have to be a little masochistic to play the shumps that they play. Communities for those certainly exist too.

Puzzle games are fair though. Those have been eaten up by the facebook / mobile gaming market, and while they are incredibly popular, the audience there are not the type to go out to find communities to talk about them in depth.

Music games I have no idea. Seems like all the music games I see are just excuses to move peripherals.
 

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I understand why you might feel that way (it partly comes with age), but I have to disagree too. Gaming is built on the back of technology and it has to surf the high tech seas that way. The better tech gets, the more varied gaming experiences we can all enjoy, from the 8-16 bit style throw backs like Castle Crashers, Double Dragon Neon, River City Ransom etc, to the high end stuff like BF4, Star Citizen etc. Something for everyone.

Genres popular in those past days still exist but are niche now. That's expected but if you look around you will find games carrying that 8-16 bit flag. Some are on Steam, Desura, Kickstarter and GOG. Have a look around these sites and you'll find some cool small games you've never heard of.

I do think games as we've grown have become more accepted and as something more people can all enjoy, especially if you include online multiplayer games, phone/tablet games and ever creative game mods and indie games. These always add something below the radar of the big lime light games.
 

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DoPo said:
Adultism said:
LuisGuimaraes said:
Julius Terrell said:
It just seems like half the time I walk into Gamestop
That's what's wrong then.

News
http://indiegames.com/index.html
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/

Stores
http://www.steampowered.com/
http://www.desura.com/
http://www.gog.com/
I Think OP was talking Tripple A titles, everything is just squirted out to appeal to masses.
No he wasn't. Here, read the quote

Julius Terrell said:
It's not like I'm not willing to do the leg work. It just seems like half the time I walk into gamestop,
I think one can make a better legwork by visiting the links provided.
I'm still pretty bored of most that comes out, it all feels the same now.
 

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Video gaming started off with: creepy eroge games.

Video gaming continues with: creepy eroge games, now with HD sprites and more furries.

At least the core is still there. But a lot of genres are being completely overhauled. Sequence. Just Sequence, a back-and-fort music rhythm RPG game that is like Guitar Hero, but with every missed note, the sentient iron maiden is inserting inch of spiky cacti plant into your anus.

And turn-based combat is often seen as "basic", and "primitive", for some reason. Survival horror is also changing: Compare Sweet Home - the game that Resident Evil tried to remake. And failed - the Resident Evil 6. Radically different games: Sweet Home employs tactics, survival, and and RPG combat system, whereas Resident Evil 6 is like Resident Evil 5 but worse.

Gaming has changed a lot, but perhaps not too extremely to be worried about.
 

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Julius Terrell said:
Are you my YouTube friend songofthesouthfan... because that's exactly how he feels about most video games of today...

But, then again... He'll sometimes find games that do appeal to him (usually thanks to FPLOON's suggestions) and now, he's more excited for Season 2 of telltale's Walking Dead than I am, playing Skullgirls more than me, wanting to buy MY OWN COPY of Rayman Origins/Legends, and is going to be buying all of the Batman Arkham games sometime next week... (And don't get me started on him and Nintendo... Let's just say that he has close to 20 games for the Wii U already and is super excited for Bayonetta 2 without me telling him about it...)

Honestly, all it takes is a little manual searching and you'll probably find some hidden modern gem of a game that appeals to you... especially when the game does feel like you're playing a classic game from back in the day... Also, you could even make one of those game "recommendation" threads where you suggest what type of games appeal to you and let the Escapist community point you in the right direction... With both suggestions up in the air for your choosing... What could go wrong?

*sees captcha commercial*
I spoke too soon... on my part...
 

Julius Terrell

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I agree with a lot that's been said in this thread. It's like with music. You can't rely on buying retail if you stuff nobody has ever heard of. If it wasn't for the internet, I wouldn't have ANY music to listen to at ALL. I get what people are saying. When I buy a console I'll have to dive on the online networks for little games here and there. I've just never been a fan of the popular genres so I have to look toward smaller games. It just means that I'll have to rely on the internet for my gaming needs.
 

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My problems with games today mostly come with the overall design and style (what I see first) because they do look too similar, or bland, and it's also to do with it's layout and execution (all of it, really).

It's incredibly hard to describe that games today are not designed as ...sharp. Maybe imaginative as well. I've said it times before and most will not understand how you see it, but they'll try their best recommending different games that have been hiding under the covers, but probably like me you'll notice it has nothing to do with old school or niche or whatever. It's a lot more noticeable with the music that used to go with games, not that I'm saying they're bad now, they just don't stick out like they used to, and that goes with the rest of it as well.

I haven't figured out a way to perfectly describe it yet, I probably need to expand on my vocabulary first. It's not just the gaming scene either, it's all of the entertainment.

You'll also get a lot of assholes thinking your blinded by nostalgia or believe your are cynical and don't care anymore. These people are arrogant, ignorant, and are complete hypocrites when they get labeled themselves. It's what got Vault banned and why I don't care that she's gone.
 

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Nazulu said:
My problems with games today mostly come with the overall design and style (what I see first) because they do look too similar, or bland, and it's also to do with it's layout and execution (all of it, really).

It's incredibly hard to describe that games today are not designed as ...sharp. Maybe imaginative as well. I've said it times before and most will not understand how you see it, but they'll try their best recommending different games that have been hiding under the covers, but probably like me you'll notice it has nothing to do with old school or niche or whatever. It's a lot more noticeable with the music that used to go with games, not that I'm saying they're bad now, they just don't stick out like they used to, and that goes with the rest of it as well.

I haven't figured out a way to perfectly describe it yet, I probably need to expand on my vocabulary first. It's not just the gaming scene either, it's all of the entertainment.

You'll also get a lot of assholes thinking your blinded by nostalgia or believe your are cynical and don't care anymore. These people are arrogant, ignorant, and are complete hypocrites when they get labeled themselves. It's what got Vault banned and why I don't care that she's gone.
I feel like I can't relate with most gamers now-a-days! People like us might be in the minority, but there is a good reason why I created this topic. I still feel like the gaming industry doesn't care about people like me. Just pander to the kids with their gun game and western RPGs. We grew up in a different time in a different industry.

Like most industries, they cater to what's in. No different than what Hollywood does. Even there I'm turned off by Hollywood for the most part. Mainstream gaming will never be for people like us. I learned to accept that, but I hate that I have to work so much harder to find what I like when other people don't.

I remember when a game called puzzle quest came out for the Ps2. I thought that it was really awesome because it combined two of my favorite genres into one great experience. I was hoping more interesting games like that would come out. Maybe this is a sign of things to come?
 

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Julius Terrell said:
Nazulu said:
My problems with games today mostly come with the overall design and style (what I see first) because they do look too similar, or bland, and it's also to do with it's layout and execution (all of it, really).

It's incredibly hard to describe that games today are not designed as ...sharp. Maybe imaginative as well. I've said it times before and most will not understand how you see it, but they'll try their best recommending different games that have been hiding under the covers, but probably like me you'll notice it has nothing to do with old school or niche or whatever. It's a lot more noticeable with the music that used to go with games, not that I'm saying they're bad now, they just don't stick out like they used to, and that goes with the rest of it as well.

I haven't figured out a way to perfectly describe it yet, I probably need to expand on my vocabulary first. It's not just the gaming scene either, it's all of the entertainment.

You'll also get a lot of assholes thinking your blinded by nostalgia or believe your are cynical and don't care anymore. These people are arrogant, ignorant, and are complete hypocrites when they get labeled themselves. It's what got Vault banned and why I don't care that she's gone.
I feel like I can't relate with most gamers now-a-days! People like us might be in the minority, but there is a good reason why I created this topic. I still feel like the gaming industry doesn't care about people like me. Just pander to the kids with their gun game and western RPGs. We grew up in a different time in a different industry.

Like most industries, they cater to what's in. No different than what Hollywood does. Even there I'm turned off by Hollywood for the most part. Mainstream gaming will never be for people like us. I learned to accept that, but I hate that I have to work so much harder to find what I like when other people don't.

I remember when a game called puzzle quest came out for the Ps2. I thought that it was really awesome because it combined two of my favorite genres into one great experience. I was hoping more interesting games like that would come out. Maybe this is a sign of things to come?
I'm not sure it's about a minority exactly. See, they used to make many different, weird and really hard games back in the 90s. Many of them caught on really well, even if they aren't remembered so much today. I just find that most of the industry would rather play it safe and stick with designs and names they know can sell high. And so, I don't believe we've really seen a perfect example of a weird 90s game released today, but there have been some games with classic concepts that has reached all our ears. However, I don't find they match the quality I used to see.

I really need to see what happens if a game like Raiden II or Mischief Makers or Sacrifice (something with different design back then) was released now on Steam, or had improved graphics on the latest consoles. Would they really be overlooked? These are well made games that I prefer over most games these days. Also, every time I see the 'your top game' threads, most people will have a cult classics taking some positions, even some made up completely of retro games. We really need a big developer to just completely drop all the modern trends and just make something out there, and it to be a quality game of course.

As for the industry not caring about us, I don't believe they care in general. I have to look up and research every single game now to see if it has DRM or something else bothersome. Also, many buyers don't care either and will just buy the next big thing. It's a giant cycle of greed, control and simple pleasures that seems to have taken over most things now, and you could even say fear plays a big part. I still can't believe those turkeys at Microsoft wanted to create a giant list of restrictions for their new console. This kind of thickness has eased it's way into everything, big and little, and I reckon that's why most games don't appeal to me now.

I swear, I've seen some app games that look similar to Puzzle Quest. They probably aren't the same thing though.
 

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Trust me, it's the same with music. Music now isn't inherently better or worse than it was in the past. The problem is that

A) when we discuss "the past", we have the past 60 years for music and past 20-30 years for gaming to talk about, whereas when we talk about "the present" we only have this year, last year and maybe the year before to reference. Mathematically, there is a much higher possibility that something you like will be in those 30/60 years than in those 3 years.

This is combined with

B) we tend to remember the good stuff. "Nothing but Hits" is the phrase that TVTropes uses, I believe. Let's see. When you think of the late 90's, what do you think of? Silent Hill? Half Life? OoT? System Shock 2? The OG Pokemon games? Man, the 90's were so great!

Do you remember Countdown Vampires? Socket: Time Dominator? The Crow: City of Angels? There was always crap, but most of it will be forgotten. You only remember the boring crap from now because it's fresh in your mind.

and finally

C) Gaming was always the best when you were first getting into it.