Ashley Madison has been HACKED!! Users in danger of being exposed. UPDATE.

[game-lover]

I saw this on Facebook when it first happened. I was happy then. And upon learning that the info has actually been released?

Well, now I'm fucking ecstatic.

You see, I'm a little Draconian about this subject. I believe people should be treated the way they treat others. Isn't that what they teach you anyway? So if someone does something bad without any real remorse, well, then they should have the bad thing done to them.

Which technically would actually mean every single cheater got cheated on which can't be guaranteed to happen. Hell, we can even guarantee all couples will break up. But some of them will. And meanwhile, I'll just imagine how many of those people are pissing in their pants now over the consequences.

Yeah, I haven't been this tickled since that New Zealand couple was filmed by the bar across the street having sex in their place of employment and it was revealed the man was cheating on his wife with her. So much delicious schadenfreude based on the resulting updates. Like the woman moving away and the wife pretty much closing out her husband.

Let he without sin cast the first stone? I hope every lie comes back to bite you in the ass. And every bad thing no matter how big or little, comes around on you tenfold. Better stay on the straight and narrow friend.

OT: i think people should mind their own damn business. Holier-than-thou pedestal hypocrites ( talking about whoever hacked the site to begin with).

*Salutes* Same to you, buddy. Good luck.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Wait, isn't Ashley Madison one of those scam sites where all the female "users" are just bots? And they send you generic form messages encouraging you to continue subscribing but then never message you back if you ever pursue something?

Or did I just use my genius brain to come to the conclusion because this is the internet and of course it's a scam?!

 

[C_sector]

Poetic Justice I tells Ya!!.... Poetic F***en Justice!

......Also, this is why you should have several email addresses for yourself. Just sign up with a random hotmail address that cant be traced back to you.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

LOL

So they released the information apparently and one of those on it was one of those Duggar fanatics from that 19 kids and counting show. Big anti-gay people all full of themselves about marriage and that's what they're like.

Well, if we want to be technical here, its actually the same Duggar guy as before. You know, the one who is facing charges for molesting 5 younger girls (including 3 of his sisters), so it is not the entire family. But at the same time, and me saying this as a moderately religious Christian, the Duggers collectively can go take a long walk off a short pier.

OT: With all that said, in agreement with game-lover. Screw everyone involved with Ashley Madison, and it is delicious to to watch the consequences catch up with them. Of course, I am very biased, as both my girlfriend and I dispise cheaters since her step-dad cheated on her mom. TWICE! (she forgave him, and he did it again, so she decided there would not be a third time). So while what these hackers did isnt exactly ok, I am more than willing to look the other way, just like I will any time evil is being payed to evil (or in this case, assholeishness payed to assholeishness).

Well I thought there was some solidarity going on in the family with that other crap he did. I mean I get standing by family but the other thing went way too far. So I tend to lump them together due to it.

I saw this on Facebook when it first happened. I was happy then. And upon learning that the info has actually been released?

Well, now I'm fucking ecstatic.

You see, I'm a little Draconian about this subject. I believe people should be treated the way they treat others. Isn't that what they teach you anyway? So if someone does something bad without any real remorse, well, then they should have the bad thing done to them.

Which technically would actually mean every single cheater got cheated on which can't be guaranteed to happen. Hell, we can even guarantee all couples will break up. But some of them will. And meanwhile, I'll just imagine how many of those people are pissing in their pants now over the consequences.

Yeah, I haven't been this tickled since that New Zealand couple was filmed by the bar across the street having sex in their place of employment and it was revealed the man was cheating on his wife with her. So much delicious schadenfreude based on the resulting updates. Like the woman moving away and the wife pretty much closing out her husband.

Let he without sin cast the first stone? I hope every lie comes back to bite you in the ass. And every bad thing no matter how big or little, comes around on you tenfold. Better stay on the straight and narrow friend.

OT: i think people should mind their own damn business. Holier-than-thou pedestal hypocrites ( talking about whoever hacked the site to begin with).

Is what game-lover said any of your business? :O

Looks like you just reserve your moral outrage for... people reacting to others doing shady shit? Lol...

 

[Parasondox]

Relationships aren't simple nor are they all the same. Let's be clear here. I have no tears to shed for cheaters. Hell, I saw the Ashley Madison advert and I was fucking sick and pissed off.


Double, triple FUCK YOU!! If it was a parody then I would see the joke but this is a serious ad for people to be a bunch of fucking low life scum. To those involved in making that advert. Quad fuck to you too.

Now that I have got my anger out of the way, some marriages aren't what they really seem. Some are forced by family pressure. I live in an area where culture and religion often pushes people into marriage when they do not wish for it. Often leading to unhappy marriage and displaying false emotions that can mentally hurt them. If you are gay and your family disapproves of that, their family would get them married off and assuming that the "gay will go away" if they marry someone of the opposite sex. Worse, risk being disowned by your family at a young age.

So many different stories and variables when it comes to any marriage.

 

[Olas]

I can think of a thousand reasons why cheating might be justified. What if one partner simply doesn't want sex anymore and leaves the other to stew in frustration? Why shouldn't the partner seek gratification elsewhere? Because they said ten years prior that they wouldn't? That they didn't foresee that sex might just simply stop happening whether they like it or not?
Or would you rather make it illegal or immoral to withhold sex from a partner? Because that's the only other option.

There is such a thing as ending a relationship before you go around fucking other people. So no it's not a justification in any way imo.

Sometimes there are reasons why they can't. People do end up trapped in relationships, you know. For example. One partner has fallen out with their parents after moving in with their partner and now the relationship is shit but that partner has nowhere else to go.

And why would this require the two people to carry on their romantic/sexual commitments? If the other person is only hanging around for the pragmatic reason that they have no other available living space, I doubt most people would continue to call it an affair. I'm by no means a relationship expert, but I don't see the logic of "I have nowhere else to live, therefore you can't have sex with anyone but me".

Telling me that's an unrealistic situation? 'cause it happens. Frequently.

Ya, and so do much worse things if you live in a country with particularly conservative values. But of all the things to stand up for, the right to have sex with additional people seems somewhat far down on the list of priorities.

I guess to me this just seems like an odd hill to die on. I don't view sex as some sort of basic human right, and therefore I don't see it as something that warrants breaking promises and lying to people. I guess in the specific scenario where you're literally trapped in a relationship completely against your will, infidelity would be justifiable, but only because defies the normal rules for a relationship which are generally assumed in the premise laid, therefore making any commitments more or less void.

 

[Thyunda]

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Well there you go though, that's the crux of the matter. With the exception of a few, compulsive cheats (and I'm pretty sure that's more down to some sort of mental issue - I have a mate who is literally physically incapable of commitment) generally people don't cheat unless they either grow bored with the relationship after a long period of time or, as you said, the normal rules for a relationship are defied.

Incidentally, you got my example reversed. I'm talking about times when a guy, let's call him Derek, wants Lucy, his missus, to stay with him. The two aren't really getting on. Derek's always preoccupied with other shit and Lucy's recently been laid off from work, so she's really just sitting around the house stewing in boredom and misery. She wants a change, but Derek's the breadwinner and its his account with the money in it. He is especially proud of himself and his work, and he takes any kind of complaint about the relationship as a direct attack on him. She asks him to stop working so hard and spend more time with her, and he snaps that without the hours he puts in, they don't get to live like they do, and she should get a goddamn job instead of whining at him all the time.

Basically, what I'm saying is that there is absolutely no way he's going to support her if she leaves him. She's emotionally unsatisfied, trapped in this shitty apartment and gets out once a week to bring in the shopping with the money Derek leaves her.

This isn't too unrealistic a scenario - if one partner is working to support the lifestyle bought with two incomes, this kind of thing can happen a lot. Unemployment is a massive problem in relationships.

Would you say, in this scenario, Lucy would be in the wrong for seeking a bit of activity or excitement in her life? Let's leave sex off the table for now, let's just say she arranges to meet a guy just so she can get out of the house and see someone who isn't Derek or Derek's obnoxious mate Phil.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

YES GOOD.

...NO BAD.

......YES, BETTER.

The above is my complex and highly evolved opinion of this situation in its absolute essence.

Show me the path to enlightenment lack. Please tell me I'm on the right track by being a religious John Oliver viewer for I have heard the word about Ashley Madison and it was terrible.

 

[lacktheknack]

YES GOOD.

...NO BAD.

......YES, BETTER.

The above is my complex and highly evolved opinion of this situation in its absolute essence.

Show me the path to enlightenment lack. Please tell me I'm on the right track by being a religious John Oliver viewer for I have heard the word about Ashley Madison and it was terrible.

what's a john oliver

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

YES GOOD.

...NO BAD.

......YES, BETTER.

The above is my complex and highly evolved opinion of this situation in its absolute essence.

Show me the path to enlightenment lack. Please tell me I'm on the right track by being a religious John Oliver viewer for I have heard the word about Ashley Madison and it was terrible.

what's a john oliver

You've hurt me lack. You've really hurt me.

But seriously, I hate everyone involved in this. Hacking private information for blackmail is wrong but an official community for organizing affairs is also disgusting to me.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

I've just read the perfect argument relating to this entire... ahem... affair.

"Next it'll be ok for Right To Life Groups to post information from women who seek abortions. Names, addresses, payment types. It's all fair game as long as the perpetrator doesn't agree with their morals?"

The problem with the mindset of "it's okay to hurt people I don't like" is that there's plenty of people who don't like you.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

I've just read the perfect argument relating to this entire... ahem... affair.

"Next it'll be ok for Right To Life Groups to post information from women who seek abortions. Names, addresses, payment types. It's all fair game as long as the perpetrator doesn't agree with their morals?"

The problem with the mindset of "it's okay to hurt people I don't like" is that there's plenty of people who don't like you.

To expand on that there are many who claim the "moral high-ground" by doxxing and harassing trans and gay folk too, often using the guise of religion, or feminism as moral justification. Screw that.

The fact that they exposed financial information... The hackers in this case should face capital punishment. Sure I have no sympathy for the cheaters, but the hackers done fucked up far harder than any cheater ever could.

Also any justification for the hackers exposing cheaters who are doing something immoral, is the same justification for doxxing and harassing gay, trans, and basically anyone uses "moral high-ground" as a defense... So to hell with the hackers and those who think what they did is justified. I would have had no issue if they released just names... But home addresses, financial, and other personal information? That is totally unjustifiable, and punishes the families involved far more than the cheaters them selves. Also with things like government emails being released? I'm pretty sure that's terrorist levels of breaching homeland security right there. So this whole fiasco is in no way justifiable on the parts of the hackers. I hope they find the hackers and put them in a deep dark hole for the rest of their miserable lives.

 

[Parasondox]

I've just read the perfect argument relating to this entire... ahem... affair.

"Next it'll be ok for Right To Life Groups to post information from women who seek abortions. Names, addresses, payment types. It's all fair game as long as the perpetrator doesn't agree with their morals?"

The problem with the mindset of "it's okay to hurt people I don't like" is that there's plenty of people who don't like you.

I don't know, it sounds a lot like a general slippery slope argument that can be made to any activity, abortions don't really harm another person (depends on your view) while cheating screws your partner.

I think there's a lot of people who don't like it because they participate in it, like the "we should ban smoking and allow pot".

"Two wrongs do not make a right". I think that phrase might come to mind here.

 

[Padwolf]

I have just read the update. I think it's terribly sad that people have taken their lives over this, and honestly my thoughts are with the families who have just suffered a huge betrayal and have now suffered a loss. It's terrible. But what I can't stand is that people are saying that it's the fault of the hackers. No. These suicides are the result of allegedly, people betraying their families/Significant Others, seeking the affair website out and then choosing to take their lives once their deeds had been discovered.

I hate everyone involved in this. It's all disgusting.

 

[Silvanus]

I saw this on Facebook when it first happened. I was happy then. And upon learning that the info has actually been released?

Well, now I'm fucking ecstatic.

Was reading about this the other day-- can't recall where, but I'll have another look around-- and it mentioned that the leaked information likely included email addresses stolen from innocent people in order to register on the site. People quite unconnected to any personal wrongdoing will be caught up in this.

Do you still feel this is justified?

The fact that they exposed financial information... The hackers in this case should face capital punishment.

Well, that would continue the trend of responding to an immoral act with an even more immoral act.

 

[game-lover]

I saw this on Facebook when it first happened. I was happy then. And upon learning that the info has actually been released?

Well, now I'm fucking ecstatic.

Was reading about this the other day-- can't recall where, but I'll have another look around-- and it mentioned that the leaked information likely included email addresses stolen from innocent people in order to register on the site. People quite unconnected to any personal wrongdoing will be caught up in this.

Do you still feel this is justified?

To be honest, I never said I thought it was justified. Still don't. That doesn't however stop me from taking pleasure in the distress this will cause many.

It is unfortunate for those whose email addresses were used without their permission. And yeah, what the hackers did was criminal. I'm not going to go out and declare that they should not face consequences.

But the collateral damage is not enough to make me feel any sympathy or empathy for any cheater who has to face the backlash. Whether it's losing their marriage or losing their job. Quite frankly, they brought it on themselves.

And this is not taking into account the cynical idea that some of the people declaring their email addresses were used without their consent could be lying through their teeth and playing the victim to get out of facing said consequences. That too is ultimately possible.

 

[mad825]

Was reading about this the other day-- can't recall where, but I'll have another look around-- and it mentioned that the leaked information likely included email addresses stolen from innocent people in order to register on the site. People quite unconnected to any personal wrongdoing will be caught up in this.

That's quite a stretch because you see, you need to activate the account via Email therefore the hacker would also need access to the Email account. The Email address alone you can't do much with other than troll the user with Password reset requests.

And seriously, you hack someone's Email account and the only thing you do with it is sign-up to a website? That in itself is a stretch.

I would like to remind you that there are business and government (including the U.N) addresses on that list. They aren't so easy to hack yaknow.

 

[Ten Foot Bunny]

I have just read the update. I think it's terribly sad that people have taken their lives over this, and honestly my thoughts are with the families who have just suffered a huge betrayal and have now suffered a loss. It's terrible. But what I can't stand is that people are saying that it's the fault of the hackers. No. These suicides are the result of allegedly, people betraying their families/Significant Others, seeking the affair website out and then choosing to take their lives once their deeds had been discovered.

I hate everyone involved in this. It's all disgusting.

And there's also the matter of residency - an untold number of people on that list live in countries where cheating is punishable by death. Some live in countries where the woman is put to death if a man cheats on her. Some live in countries where homosexuality is punishable by death, and there's already one case of a man in Saudi Arabia used Ashley Madison to hook up with a gay guy in the US because he couldn't do that in his own country. What's going to happen to him now?

There are also plenty of cases of extortion taking place because of the leak. Nefarious scumbags are sending emails to people on the list demanding money for their silence. Don't pay, and they're going to release the info to your spouse. As if thousands of missing dollars are going to go unnoticed by significant others... yeah, tell me another good one.

Cheating is repugnant, but people don't deserve to lose their lives over this. Every death related to this leak is on the hackers' hands, plain and simple.

 

[Silvanus]

That's quite a stretch because you see, you need to activate the account via Email therefore the hacker would also need access to the Email account. The Email address alone you can't do much with other than troll the user with Password reset requests.

And seriously, you hack someone's Email account and the only thing you do with it is sign-up to a website? That in itself is a stretch.

I would like to remind you that there are business and government (including the U.N) addresses on that list. They aren't so easy to hack yaknow.

Well, they won't be the ones hacked-- Ordinary people's will be. I don't find it a stretch that an email address would be hacked for this purpose: people would be very desperate to sign up, and very desperate to hide it, and others would be willing to sell stolen accounts for money.