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ace_of_something

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link670 said:
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Have you ever needed to deal with someone like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cdexPCtpj0
Rephrase: Have you ever pulled someone over or something like that and had them do something stupid
Edit: Damn meant to edit and hit quote by mistake.
First of all that was grand.
Oh DUIs are always a good time. I?ve heard of this duct tape thing but we don?t do that. We just make them walk the line that?s painted on the shoulder near the grass/wall

Once, I pulled over this guy who was swerving all the way across the highway. In fact this was like the 2nd or 3rd time I pulled someone over by myself. When he opened the car the smell of booze and weed was powerful (The Chemistry is strong in this one!)
He was a fratboy type; cargo shorts, flip flops, hoodie, white ball cap. Buddy bumped his head when he stepped out of his fancy newish Jeep Cherokee.
I did the finger test (follow my finger with your eyes) see when you?re high or drunk your eyes have a real hard time staying steady. Buddy couldn?t even keep his eyes steady before I started the test.
Then I had buddy walk the line he got about two steps and fell on his right side; down a muddy ditch and into a creek. He rolled on his side screaming it was a good 12 to 14ft incline. The creek was only about a 6-8 inches deep and he was screaming for help. So, I run down there check. Buddy?s alright just a lump on the head and shoulder. When he got put in my car he decided that I pushed him down the hill. I pointed out to him that I was standing on the other side of the line by my cruiser a good 8 feet away. He was insistent the whole ride there but I ignored it. I am told they still use that video in the academy. Everyone is very amused when I say to myself ?Shitshitshitshitshit? as I run down the hill.
 

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I don't know if this is just in Ireland, or if it affects America aswell. But apparently a police officer cannot arrest you, or give you a ticket or any of that, if he is not wearing a hat.

Is that true? Also, what are some of the craziest things someone has said to you to get out of a ticket?
 

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Resistance205 said:
I don't know if this is just in Ireland, or if it affects America aswell. But apparently a police officer cannot arrest you, or give you a ticket or any of that, if he is not wearing a hat.

Is that true? Also, what are some of the craziest things someone has said to you to get out of a ticket?
Well I?m gonna go with that just being Ireland. As most modern American police departments and sheriff?s departments don?t even wear hats unless it?s ceremonial.

Let?s see here crazy things? I assume you mean like outbursts from calls; Not when I was a vice investigator that would be a whole book.
Oh let?s see

?I?ll suck your dick for free if you don?t charge me with possession!? <-was a dude (not a tranny or anything)
?I don?t know where that (large bag of pot) came from!? <- it was in your pocket buddy
?You can?t arrest me! I?m the mayor?s son! I?ll have your job!? <- was not the mayor?s son, also was 1 year older than the mayor of time.
?She got that black eye from work? (minutes later) she doesn?t have a job? <- keep your story straight wifebeater
?You can?t prove I?m drunk! You can?t arrest me because you can?t prove anything!? <- he vomited in the squad car and his breathalyzer was .11%.

Speeding tickets:
?I don?t think you know who I am!? (I read his name off his driver?s license, that you?) ?Exactly! You can?t ticket me for speeding.? <-I still to this day have no idea what he was talking about
?You didn?t turn on your siren you can?t give me a ticket unless you turn on your siren? <- Wrong, the lights are enough
?Well, I was speeding because I bought milk in the car and I didn?t want it to go bad? <- Ma?am you need to shop closer to your home then.

And my personal favorite response to the ?do you know how fast you were going?? question
? 78 miles Per Hour; c?mooon maaan?haven?t you ever been in love man?? <-Yes he said it just like a strung out hippy.
 

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I heard that some American companies hire people to pretend to be drug users, and ask around the workforce if they know anyone who can sell drugs, if a person directs the hired "spy", the company calls them in and sacks them.

First off, is this true at all.

If true, is that a legal action?

I know that some companies have really strict rules about drugs and even smoking. But I didn't know if this was true.
 
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If everyone else was going at, say, 70 miles per hour in a 65 miles per hour zone, but there was a person going 55 mph for no real reason, would you pull them over for reckless driving, or is there some other charge you could pull them over with?
 

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If everyone else was going at, say, 70 miles per hour in a 65 miles per hour zone, but there was a person going 55 mph for no real reason, would you pull them over for reckless driving, or is there some other charge you could pull them over with?
I don't think I would pull anyone listed over. Unless it's posted otherwise you can travel 15mph below the speed limit before it's considered reckless in this city it's expected that everyone goes 5 over the speed limit anyway.

Davey Woo said:
I heard that some American companies hire people to pretend to be drug users, and ask around the workforce if they know anyone who can sell drugs, if a person directs the hired "spy", the company calls them in and sacks them.

First off, is this true at all.

If true, is that a legal action?

I know that some companies have really strict rules about drugs and even smoking. But I didn't know if this was true.
I have heard this too but seen no concrete evidence. It would be mostly legal; they had better expect to get sued like crazy though.
Some people forget that private companies don't have to uphold to constitution like the government does. Example; the right to bear arms. Our constitutions make few exceptions on this but if a store or business posts a sign that says 'no firearms' that's okay because you don't HAVE to go into their shop if you don't like their 'no guns rule.' There are many supreme court cases on private companies violating an employee's right to privacy other than the one where we decided companies can't test your DNA usually the business wins on this "If you don't like what the company is doing; quit"

More importantly is that ethical? Fuck to the no. What people do in private is none of a business's business. I don't approve of illegal drugs on any level but if you're doing your job great it shouldn't matter if you go home and smoke pot or if you go home and play video games.
 

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ace_of_something said:
Hate to copy the idea but the asking a Christian and asking a black guy threads were neat so I figured I?d throw mine out there for you.
My qualifications for answering your questions are a BS in the topic of criminal justice, 3 1/2 years of experience on a police force, a brother who is a deputy (they are different) and I am currently working in corrections and have been for about a year and half.

To answer the first obvious question, I?m not a police officer anymore because I was injured off duty, which did not qualify me for a desk job unless you have at least 5 years of seniority? and since it caused nerve damage to my left hand I was unable to pass the yearly marksmanship test. If you want more to the story you?ll have to ask.

You can ask me questions like, things you want to know about police behavior, jail, things about the system. My knowledge from experience is strictly American, but I do have a small amount of knowledge academically of other countries (really small).

edit: and i don't think i should have to say this but... keep it civil please.

edit: got my masers in sociology and a BS in psych now.

What actually happened to your hand?
And do you still use rubber bullets in riots and shit?
 

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If I got my front lisence plate ripped off and drive can I get pulled over for that? What if it's still in the car?


I know, random, but based in truth!
 

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TopHatTim said:
What actually happened to your hand?
And do you still use rubber bullets in riots and shit?
This thread is really big so I don't blame you for not seeing that I answered it here http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.78482?page=2#980485

Riots eh? Well police officers still use rubber bullets. In jail we just pull the officer out of the mod;(which can have up between 42-64 inmates depending on what kind of mod it is) Close the door and flood the room with OC Spray ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray ) Then we come in with goggles and gas masks and sort it all out sometimes there's still a tussle afterward. I've not been involved in a riot; I've only heard of one but I was in a mod in another part of the jail and therefor did not have to do anything except lock my mod down; which wasn't hard as I was working the 'confinement' mod. :p
 

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xxDarlenexx said:
If I got my front lisence plate ripped off and drive can I get pulled over for that? What if it's still in the car?

I know, random, but based in truth!
It would be called 'improperly displayed plates' but check your local government. In this state you have to have the plates visible on the front and back of you car but in Kansas they need only be visible on the back. It's usually ticket worthy. In this state it's about 3x more expensive than a speeding ticket generally is. ($275+)

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Ever have a real hard day where you want to kill someone in the face or go home and weep?
Hm. Well, I believe I mentioned which was YOU who asked that;
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.78482?page=2#979243

However, one springs to mind; So I saw a lady with no license plate no in transit in a white Oldsmobile cutlass.
I pull her over she says "I just bought the car" Then I see three girls in the back seat ages 12,11,13; they are dressed... oddly with short skirts that more closely resemble a belt; and tube top looking thins in the dead of winter.
They also are not wearing seatbelts which in not illegal in this state but still frowned on. I have her get out of the car so we can talk outside of the girls' hearing. I ask her why they are dressed that way and not wearing seatbelts and if she knows what would happen in an accident. She is obviously under some influence she replied "They were at a dance recital!"
"At 3 am? Ma'am be honest what were they doing?"
She gets angry and tells me to arrest her for something or leave her alone. I ask to search her car and find in the trunk about 1 kilo of crystal meth. She begins openly weeping and saying "I don't use it! I don't use it! I just need the money to feed my girls" I ask her again "Why are they dressed like that..."
"Because that's the only way someone will let them suck their dick!" she shouted in tears.
I still know to this day that my entire face turned crimson with rage; it took everything I had not to lose my temper.
The shortened version of what happened next is that she was buying and selling meth and her daughter's innocence as well. She went to jail and I had to take the girls to their father's house with someone from social services he was a known criminal but still had legal rights. This is unusual to take children so quickly to the other parent but their father was their legal guardian not the mother. WE brought the girls to him at about 8 am. (I was in overtime at this point) He looked at me, the social worker, and right at his daughters and said "I don't need any more mouths to feed I gave them to (Mother's name) for a reason." The girls began crying "Why daddy? why?" the father was charged with child endangerment and other things. The girls when I left them with the social workers asked "Mr. Thor can we come with you? I don't want to go to Boys Town! Please?" I told them I'm not allowed and my house is too small and about 30 other reasons; but I really wanted to.
I finally got off work; I went home and cried for about 15 minutes... probably one of; if not the hardest day of my career.
 

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When you were on active duty, was / is the gear for American policemen the same as the gear given to SAP? (South African Police)

several members of my family are police members and it seems that the standard issue for SAP reservists or Metro are

1x 9mm pistol
1x pepper spray
1x big black flashlight thing (hurts like a *****)
1x taser

Is this anything aking to what American Police are issued as standard gear?
 

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ace_of_something said:
Action_Bastard said:
Why is it that some cops are cool about some of the dumb shit that people do and some are ready to give you every charge that they could possibly give you? On a side note, do cops liked to be referred to as cops?
Cops are human beings, some are cool, some are dicks. Just like anyone else.

Kind of the same answer for the 2nd one. However, I will say context is important. If you get pulled over and say "What do you want cop?" you're gonna get a pissy officer.
Haha, yeah, it's like if someone came to the store I work in and said "Good morning, till jockey"

He'd get the frowning of a lifetime.
 

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Reqium said:
When you were on active duty, was / is the gear for American policemen the same as the gear given to SAP? (South African Police)

several members of my family are police members and it seems that the standard issue for SAP reservists or Metro are

1x 9mm pistol
1x pepper spray
1x big black flashlight thing (hurts like a *****)
1x taser
Is this anything aking to what American Police are issued as standard gear?
Every department is different; unlike most countries the city and county (a small local area usually with a few cities) is what decides the procedures of the department rather than the federal government.

That being said; yeah that's pretty much the same different guns though. We tend to have an actual baton and a small flashlight. Some departments do use the flashlight club though.
 

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ace_of_something said:
Reqium said:
When you were on active duty, was / is the gear for American policemen the same as the gear given to SAP? (South African Police)

several members of my family are police members and it seems that the standard issue for SAP reservists or Metro are

1x 9mm pistol
1x pepper spray
1x big black flashlight thing (hurts like a *****)
1x taser
Is this anything aking to what American Police are issued as standard gear?
Every department is different; unlike most countries the city and county (a small local area usually with a few cities) is what decides the procedures of the department rather than the federal government.

That being said; yeah that's pretty much the same different guns though. We tend to have an actual baton and a small flashlight. Some departments do use the flashlight club though.
This reminds me of a LAPD memo where they had to remind officers to use their batons instead of Mag-lites for subduing suspects. I think they made it policy after some kind of Legal Fiasco.
 

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ace_of_something said:
I finally got off work; I went home and cried for about 15 minutes... probably one of; if not the hardest day of my career.
I believe it, I would've lost it.

I totally see what you mean when you say it has a way of making people lose their principles.