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sirdanrhodes

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Ask a cop... hmm... better make the question count.

Do you always smell bacon?

Sorry, sorry, it was a poor taste crap joke.
 

Sensenmann

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If a guy is throwing punches and stopping like a few centimeters from my face, to intimidate me, is it legal to use self defense?
 

xitel

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Are police allowed to select their sidearm, or are they assigned one when they join the force? I ask because I have seen policemen with both revolvers and semi-automatic pistols.
 

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I'll ask a question pertaining to corrections. Have you ever used the stun belt (electric shock belt) in your facilities? If so, did they make you "ride the lightening" before allowing you to use it on prisoners?

Also, a follow-up question to that. Do you participate in other team building exercises that might (in your mind) lessen the psychological trauma associated with the act of disciplining prisoners?

Have you ever seen guards talk about prisoners as if they were less than human?
 

ace_of_something

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orifice said:
How many people have you fitted up for crimes they didn't commit! (no really!)
Zero, I swear on my family?s honor.

aussiesniper said:
What is the strongest non-lethal weapon that you have used, either in training or on a person?
In person the strongest I?ve used is the OC Spray (Oleoresin Capsicum)
Here?s some youtube?s on the subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSK3ET4LVhk

In training I was shown how to use a beanbag gun and ball shooter (it shoots little balls full of tear gas or pepper spray) Those beanbag guns fucking hurt it?s like getting a baseball lobbed at you.
 

ace_of_something

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Helnurath said:
Is it legal to shoot someone who is trying to mug/rob/carjack you?
Have assault weapons been banned or is there a special license you need to purchase/maintain one?
Why are silencers banned?
How many times can I shoot someone during a home invasion before its considered excessive?

(I live in Florida, we have a conceal and carry law.)

Can you recommend a good personal defense handgun?
1. If you can prove your life is in danger. Yes.
2. They have not yet been banned, but a special federal license is needed.
3. Because there is little to no reason to have one unless you?re going to do something illegal. If you?re going to fire a gun scrupulously you shouldn?t need a silencer.
4. There?s no magic number saying ?you shot him too many times.? However in a civil trial when his family sues you for killing him, 2 bullets in his head vs. 20 can sway the decision of a judge.
5. Glocks with few metal parts don?t rust and are easy to maintain.

sirdanrhodes said:
Ask a cop... hmm... better make the question count.
Do you always smell bacon?
Sorry, sorry, it was a poor taste crap joke.
Nope. I think some of us/them would be a lot more mellow if they did.

Sensenmann said:
If a guy is throwing punches and stopping like a few centimeters from my face, to intimidate me, is it legal to use self defense?
Yes, but only of equal force. Meaning you punch him, you don't pull out a gun and shoot him. However, in situations where there is a 'fight' (both people hit) you can BOTH end up in jail. The guy doing this to you could be charged with 'terroristic threats'
 

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ace_of_something said:
666thHeretic said:
Has anyone ever successfully gotten out of a ticket with that retarded "my taxes pay your salary" line? Are you permitted to be a dick when someone receiving a ticket is being needlessly hostile?
No... oddly enough the people that usually say that don't realize we can see if they are on a govt assistance program and often times... they were. A good officer will remain professional when someone is being verbally abusive, but there is a point where you can get another ticket for being nasty usually it falls under 'obstruction' in most cities/counties or a special local law.
i've heard of it happening once, the person in question decided to curse at the officer in Italian because the officer in question was blond haired blue eyed and didn't realize he was Italian but from the north. the officer handed him the ticket and when questioned said "i think you know and have a nice day" in Italian. the ticket was harassment of an officer

so my questions are this, what hand to hand/armed training did you receive? i know the guys behind ISR Matrix, if not might i suggest it to you guys

also since you are in prison anything similar to what happens in Oz happen there?
 

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xitel said:
Are police allowed to select their sidearm, or are they assigned one when they join the force? I ask because I have seen policemen with both revolvers and semi-automatic pistols.
It simply depends on the department. More and more departments are NOT leaving the choice up to you. FOr example in mine.
Anyone hired before a certain date could have any .38 caliber. But if you were hired after... 1999 I think you had to carry a glock. Its so old timers didn't have to change the gun they'd been using for 20 years but new guys would be standardized.
wilsonscrazybed said:
I'll ask a question pertaining to corrections. Have you ever used the stun belt (electric shock belt) in your facilities? If so, did they make you "ride the lightening" before allowing you to use it on prisoners?
Also, a follow-up question to that. Do you participate in other team building exercises that might (in your mind) lessen the psychological trauma associated with the act of disciplining prisoners?
Have you ever seen guards talk about prisoners as if they were less than human?
I this state no correctional facility uses stun belts; to easy to get sued. If we did have such a thing there?s a pretty good chance that you would have to do that.

Sort of, however, physical violence is never used as discipline only to protect yourself and (more often) other inmates. They train us twice a year to use a mishmash martial art that is a very dumbed down judo with a few holds and strikes sprinkled in. Discipline is done by taking away privileges. Such as the privilege to watch TV the privilege to come out of your cell. The privilege to be able to flush your own toilet. Every single thing that you have in jail/prison except for your meals and clothing is a privilege and can be systematically taken away if you don?t stay in line.

I work in a facility where the inmates are out in a commons area and you sit in there with them. (they are divided into groups of 32-64) This cuts back on the ?they?re not people? mentality, since you sit in there with them all day. Usually if someone takes that attitude its temporary like when a group of 4 inmates are pissing you off you might complain to the other C/Os about how they?re idiots.

The thing you have to remind yourself is that ANYONE can go to jail. We?re all one bad decision away.
 

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cleverlymadeup said:
so my questions are this, what hand to hand/armed training did you receive? i know the guys behind ISR Matrix, if not might i suggest it to you guys
also since you are in prison anything similar to what happens in Oz happen there?
They use their own thing on both the police and corrections, I am not real sure who developed it, it focuses mostly on holds and using minimal strikes. (As in one hit to knock them off balance than you grab them and hold them in a painful way)

Nope. Although I do tell people all the time that it's just like Oz, mostly to fuck with them. I actually answered a similar question like this previously on the first page :) Post number 30
 

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My roommate just told me to put on here my answer to her question as to the saddest thing I've seen:

I was on a d.a.r.e-like program for kids in 4th grade. For those not in the states; these type of programs are where cops come in and teach kids how to identify and stay away from drugs and sexual predators. (these programs have been proven to be only slightly effective so our department retooled it significantly)

We were going over alcohol abuse and the like. At the end the kids took simple tests. One of the questions was ?What is an alcoholic?? the right answer for these 8-9 year olds was ?someone who uses alcohol as a drug not a drink? or something like that. One little boy wrote;
?Someone who breaks promises? and there was a wrinkled spot on his paper like it got wet (from a teardrop I think).
When I read that I seriously almost cried. A few weeks later this child was given to his grandparents.
 

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did joing the police cause you to loose friends and did it make it hard to make friends outside of the force once in/ make people uncomfortable talking to you?


also if you have nerve damage that bad how do you game?
 

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elgringobandito said:
How do you sleep at night?
On a pile of money, drugs, and whores.

zirnitra said:
did joing the police cause you to loose friends and did it make it hard to make friends outside of the force once in/ make people uncomfortable talking to you?
also if you have nerve damage that bad how do you game?
Most of my friends are law abiding as well so it was a non-issue. I know many officers, and I absolutly hate to say this but most of them are Black/African-American, who claimed to have that problem. I made a lot of friends in the department and still hang out with them, some topics you can only talk to other cops or C/Os about.

The damage is in my left wrist/hand and I've had Physical Therapy. At first it made it pretty fricken hard to do FPS's but i've gotten my game back with that. I still prefer console shooters for this reason, it's easier for me to use the D-Pad (just my thumb) as opposed to PC's (where i use most fingers too move). Before the damage the opposite was true.
 

meatloaf231

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Say I pass you while I'm walking or driving around, you're unoccupied and I am in no trouble whatsoever. How would you react to a pleasant greeting? Would it just be annoying?
 

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I used to have a few friends that used to worked in the state correctional facility. When i talk to police officers that I catch in their squad car (or they catch me) it's been more or less a pleasant experience. My friends, on the other hand, believe all of humanity deserves nothing less than death. Why do you think there is such a huge difference in morale between the two, and can you give your own example to reference your explanation?
 

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Khell_Sennet said:
One thing I feel should be clarified...
ace_of_something said:
Helnurath said:
Is it legal to shoot someone who is trying to mug/rob/carjack you?
1. If you can prove your life is in danger. Yes.
This is very much American law only. Canadian law, even if the person attacking you is armed with his own gun, it is totally illegal for you to shoot an attacker even in self defense. Yes, they would consider the robbery/assault/attempted-murder as mitigating circumstances and thus reduce charges on you, but Canadians do not have legal right to defend themselves. One of the few things making me want to move.
Really? I heard something that was pretty much the opposite. In one Canadian province (no idea which it is, I think it was one of the French ones) it's illegal to not intervene if you see someone being assaulted, if you can be proven to have been there.
No idea about the validity of that or not, but I found it very interesting.
 

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Khell_Sennet said:
Graustein said:
Really? I heard something that was pretty much the opposite. In one Canadian province (no idea which it is, I think it was one of the French ones) it's illegal to not intervene if you see someone being assaulted, if you can be proven to have been there.
No idea about the validity of that or not, but I found it very interesting.
Sorry, I should have clarified...
Use of any weapon, from a pocket knife to a firearm, is not legal in self defense. You can and will be charged if you defend yourself in this manner, even if the attacker himself was armed.
Unarmed defense is legal, making martial arts training pretty damn important. But if you seriously injure the assailant, depending on the circumstances, you can still face charges or a lawsuit. But, so long as it was unarmed defense, anything short of crippling or killing the person, often the lawsuit is tossed out once it reaches the courts.
Right, that does make sense. But still, any comment on the "you must help" rumour?