At least 40 killed in Mexico in 24 hours

[Chris4276]

Its much worse then that. Im here in mexio right now and i can tell you that the media stations here are making it seem less then what it really is so that the citizens wont be afraid. Word around town here in colotlan, jalisco is that fhe state zacatecas just next to jalisco is overun to the point where police wont dare set foot in the major cities. Of course its more dangerous around the border states and cities where there is most activity. But the gudalajara amd mexico city are just bad places to be right now. You here it in the local news all the time. So and so murdered in shootout. Its just not good at all. Of course they dont want to give the real numbers cause it would be a huge scare. The local police arent tryimg to do theor job at all. They can be bribed and can just walk away. The local goverments are corrupt as well. Right now the elections passed and there have been changes to power mostly going to the PRI party.

The locals agree thAt the goverment arent doing enough. That they need to crack down om the police because so fad its the army and federals that have to do the work and even then they cant be everywhere. The main problem lies with the us and mexico . The us DEMANDS the drugs and the mexican gangs SUPPLY them. The two need have an agreement and work together to fix the issue because its not soley mexicos problem its a problem of the us as well. Legalization seems like a great idea but their is to much opposition for it to even be thought of. Even then whos to say the gangs will keep doing it?

Its a problem that i talk alot about around here.

 

[Silent Anima]

Sorry but i am confus. Knights Templar?

 

[s0m3th1ng]

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There are few guns that come from the US, the idea of the US leaking guns to mexico en masse is a myth. California is fickle in its gun laws, hell its so restricted guns might as well be illegal. The gangs buy the guns from cartels, who get their arms from other countries or from government armories. Cartels have some of the biggest guns around, almost rivaling the US special forces in some areas.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/gun-running-timeline-how-doj-s-operation
Also, 20,000 guns discovered at crime scenes in Mexico have been manufactured in the U.S from 2009-1010.
If that isn't "En masse" I don't know what is.

 

[xchurchx]

well i live in the uk and we dont here much about mexico city
but i saw a documentary where a reporter named ross kemp viseted the city
in 2 days 7 body's were found murdered and by the end of his week long visit over 15 people were found dead.

 

[redeemer09]

as a citizen of mexico i would beg the us government for one thing.cut the head of the serpent that is our governemnt.day and days go by that not only mexicans loose there lives to drugs but americans as well .mothers who will never get there children back. druggys who will get there supply becouse the mexican govenrment fund the protection of these PENDEJOS.then they give there familys special privilage over the people.let monoplys thrive and abuse the people with high prices and low wages. a latin republic isnt a republic ITS A DICTATORSHIP

 

[Scipio1770]

Very wrong on Marijuana being a side business since it is the most sold drug. http://listverse.com/2009/08/12/top-10-most-popular-recreational-drugs/

It wont do a single bit of good? So Cartels being free to roam with money is the same thing as Cartels free to roam without money? Does not compute

you realize the difference between "most popular" and "most profitable" right? pot is a fairly easy drug to cultivate even in the US, and so the supply is fairly large and cheap (thus making it popular), meanwhile more restrictive drugs like cocaine and heroin are only grown in certain environments and so are far more expensive to obtain (which is where the cartels make most of their profits).

 

[tofulove]

only way to solve this issue is to legalize(or decriminalize) all drugs in the usa, and treat drug addiction as a mental illness instead of a criminal issue.

 

[ace_of_something]

only way to solve this issue is to legalize(or decriminalize) all drugs in the usa, and treat drug addiction as a mental illness instead of a criminal issue.

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Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.

I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.

One, that episode was awesome.
two, Oh yeah, that's right I remember reading in the history books how when prohibition ended all the Mafiosos just stopped doing illegal stuff and opened floral shops.

They'll just sell some other drug.
They're career criminals.

 

[tofulove]

only way to solve this issue is to legalize(or decriminalize) all drugs in the usa, and treat drug addiction as a mental illness instead of a criminal issue.

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Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.

I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.

One, that episode was awesome.
two, Oh yeah, that's right I remember reading in the history books how when prohibition ended all the Mafiosos just stopped doing illegal stuff and opened floral shops.

They'll just sell some other drug.
They're career criminals.

as a person who grew up in poor drugged ridden neighborhood, i can tell you you cant fight this issue aggressively, people will do what they can to get there fix, if you make it illegal you drive the prices up, driving the crime up related to it. legalize it, you for one make it healthier, people can make meth like the old days instead of doing it the way they do it now, way safer way healthier (still horrible for you).

also by legalizing it, or making it not a crime, you make it ezer for addicts to get help, as it stands if they seek help it can very well put them into a jail cell. that keeps allot of people who would try to find professional help from doing so


same applys to prostitution take the crime out of it you take the violence out of it. you than regulate and tax it, turning criminals to healthier productive member's of society. were there is demand some one supply it. works great in Nevada, take away the crime, you take away most of the exploitation and violence related to the practice.

 

[ace_of_something]

only way to solve this issue is to legalize(or decriminalize) all drugs in the usa, and treat drug addiction as a mental illness instead of a criminal issue.

...
Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.

I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.

One, that episode was awesome.
two, Oh yeah, that's right I remember reading in the history books how when prohibition ended all the Mafiosos just stopped doing illegal stuff and opened floral shops.

They'll just sell some other drug.
They're career criminals.

as a person who grew up in poor drugged ridden neighborhood, i can tell you you cant fight this issue aggressively, people will do what they can to get there fix, if you make it illegal you drive the prices up, driving the crime up related to it. legalize it, you for one make it healthier, people can make meth like the old days instead of doing it the way they do it now, way safer way healthier (still horrible for you).

also by legalizing it, or making it not a crime, you make it ezer for addicts to get help, as it stands if they seek help it can very well put them into a jail cell. that keeps allot of people who would try to find professional help from doing so


same applys to prostitution take the crime out of it you take the violence out of it. you than regulate and tax it, turning criminals to healthier productive member's of society. were there is demand some one supply it. works great in Nevada, take away the crime, you take away most of the exploitation and violence related to the practice.

Speaking as someone who [a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.177017-Ask-a-detective-undercover-cop?page=1]has worked very closely with drug dealers[/a]

Yes, you're right many problems will be alleviated. I actually have seen enough to agree with the legalization of marijuana... (but it's not and I don't decide laws I enforce them)
But it's unrealistic to think it will be some sort of magic bullet solving crime. Most people that sell drugs are career criminals. Their job is breaking the law. If you legalize MJ (i hate spelling it out) they are not going to go away. They are not going to run out of money, they are just going to adapt and change. They always do.
Most junkies do crimes OTHER than drugs. There are winos and alkies who mug, rob, and vandalize just as much as any other kind of burnout. So I don't think legalization will help there.

The question you got to ask with that last sentence do you think the amount of junkies per capita will go up or down when drugs are legalized?

Not to mention the general issue American culture seems to have with excess.

 

[crazyfoxdemon]

This is scary but nothing unusual. Latin America in general can be pretty dangerous. I currently live in Costa Rica and I know of many instances of violence that have happened near both my office and my home.

 

[Blue Musician]

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Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.

I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.

That won't work, most of the time those gangs sell guns and other drugs like cocaine to gangs in california. Pot is a side business compared to the variety gangs have at their disposal.

What is really the problem is lack of government control. Cops are corrupt, and so is the government. It wont do a single bit of good to legalize pot when the cartels are free to roam.

I don't see how they can sell guns. Aren't guns legalized in California and all through the USA? All the guns in Mexico are from the USA, since only low caliber pistols are allowed. All other firearms are either for military use or are outlawed.
I would say the whole strategy was bad itself. Instead of giving a major support to education, protect the economy, etc., reasons to not to join organized crime they decided to go guns blazing and hope they won't catch a bullet or two.

There are few guns that come from the US, the idea of the US leaking guns to mexico en masse is a myth. California is fickle in its gun laws, hell its so restricted guns might as well be illegal. The gangs buy the guns from cartels, who get their arms from other countries or from government armories. Cartels have some of the biggest guns around, almost rivaling the US special forces in some areas.

I'm not sure about California, but a lot of guns DO come from El Paso, Texas. The guns that these cartels use don't normally come from our government armories. AK-47 for example are not used by our army. About other countries I'm not sure. The US is the biggest manufacturer of firearms in the world, and the closest and easiest one to be able to get guns, so logically it would be the one to obtain them.

 

[tofulove]

only way to solve this issue is to legalize(or decriminalize) all drugs in the usa, and treat drug addiction as a mental illness instead of a criminal issue.

...
Um, that's bad.
And it's even worse that i can't get the image of the gangs dressed up on mules with ponchos and bandanas.
But judging from this, they really need to crack down on gang crime.
But 40 people dead!?
That's really quite a lot.

I think legalizing marijuana would help cut into the gangs profits which would make them less effective (which would save law enforcement lives, because if you get shot at while trying to arrest somebody for marijuana, let's face it, you're fighting a gangster not a stoner), but at some point law enforcement has to be part of the solution.

And the gangs will sell anything that's contraband. If they legalized weed and outlawed hotdogs, the gangs would all be smuggling hotdogs and killing one another over hotdog vending turf.

It's like the real world version of the Transfat episode of King of the Hill.

One, that episode was awesome.
two, Oh yeah, that's right I remember reading in the history books how when prohibition ended all the Mafiosos just stopped doing illegal stuff and opened floral shops.

They'll just sell some other drug.
They're career criminals.

as a person who grew up in poor drugged ridden neighborhood, i can tell you you cant fight this issue aggressively, people will do what they can to get there fix, if you make it illegal you drive the prices up, driving the crime up related to it. legalize it, you for one make it healthier, people can make meth like the old days instead of doing it the way they do it now, way safer way healthier (still horrible for you).

also by legalizing it, or making it not a crime, you make it ezer for addicts to get help, as it stands if they seek help it can very well put them into a jail cell. that keeps allot of people who would try to find professional help from doing so


same applys to prostitution take the crime out of it you take the violence out of it. you than regulate and tax it, turning criminals to healthier productive member's of society. were there is demand some one supply it. works great in Nevada, take away the crime, you take away most of the exploitation and violence related to the practice.

Speaking as someone who [a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.177017-Ask-a-detective-undercover-cop?page=1]has worked very closely with drug dealers[/a]

Yes, you're right many problems will be alleviated. I actually have seen enough to agree with the legalization of marijuana... (but it's not and I don't decide laws I enforce them)
But it's unrealistic to think it will be some sort of magic bullet solving crime. Most people that sell drugs are career criminals. Their job is breaking the law. If you legalize MJ (i hate spelling it out) they are not going to go away. They are not going to run out of money, they are just going to adapt and change. They always do.
Most junkies do crimes OTHER than drugs. There are winos and alkies who mug, rob, and vandalize just as much as any other kind of burnout. So I don't think legalization will help there.

The question you got to ask with that last sentence do you think the amount of junkies per capita will go up or down when drugs are legalized?

Not to mention the general issue American culture seems to have with excess.

on the junkies who commit crime, i think the cause if prohibition of drugs, if you make hot dogs illegal people who seek hotdogs must become criminals to get them, the same person selling those dogs might be selling other illegal things to, you make a person a criminal by forcing them to be one.

will it go up, i cant predict the future, but i think the general dislike will still persist. i like to think it would go down cause people who would want to quite will have a ezer time at it. but one thing i do know the current system is working as well as pissing on a fire ant hill. were throwing away billions of dollars and would probably get better results by spending that money on legos and making a castle.

thats right, the money we spend on the war on drugs would probably work better if we just invest in into a giant lego castle. and instead of a bunch of people who never committed a crime but drug addiction going to prison and turning them into harden criminals, we would have a bad ass lego castle.

and on the drunks who commit crimes, alcohol and rationalism goes to gather as well as a toaster in your bathtub as your scrub a dub dub. as in they don't go to gether well, i can tell you from personal experience in highschool, alcohol make you fucking retarded. so retarded in fact i think alcohol does far more damage to society than any other drug can ever do.

 

[General_Potatoes]

Wow. And its all over drugs and stuff.

 

[Littlee300]

Very wrong on Marijuana being a side business since it is the most sold drug. http://listverse.com/2009/08/12/top-10-most-popular-recreational-drugs/

It wont do a single bit of good? So Cartels being free to roam with money is the same thing as Cartels free to roam without money? Does not compute

you realize the difference between "most popular" and "most profitable" right? pot is a fairly easy drug to cultivate even in the US, and so the supply is fairly large and cheap (thus making it popular), meanwhile more restrictive drugs like cocaine and heroin are only grown in certain environments and so are far more expensive to obtain (which is where the cartels make most of their profits).

You'll need to get a like for that and you really need to realize that even though it won't stop that at once it doesn't mean it wont help stop them.