At this point, screw Superheroes.

[Elvis Starburst]

I've never really liked superheroes at all, only really having a favourite just to have one when asked. But the huge influx of superhero movies pushes me even further away from wanting to get into them. It's such a mess right now

 

[Fox12]

Yeeeesss, yeeeesss. Let the despair flow through you.

How can I be depressed when this coming out:


Also Batman is overrated and so is Lego

I know you think everything is overated, but lego? It's just a children's toy.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

That's why we have One Punch-Man; The Superman we deserve.

When the fuck is season 2?

OT: Well, if you don't like them, then... don't watch/read?

All of your problems with superheroes right now are problems that every comic book fan knows, yet accepts. I know that the MCU is watered down and formulaic. I know that DC seems to be running out of ideas on how to yet again reboot their universe. But that still doesn't bother me, because for some reason I still enjoy their shit.

I guess it's just time for you to realize that you have outgrown/lost interest in superheroes. There's nothing wrong with that. I remember when I used to defend CoD as the best FPS ever, or that Harry Potter is the ultimate books series. With CoD, I moved on. The franchise is dead to me. I am no longer shocked or angered when they announce that they're going to go back on their word and bring in weapons to Supply Drops. With Harry Potter, I recognized and accepted it's flaws and I still enjoy rereading it today.

TLDR; Either stay or don't. There's no point in waiting on every new comic release or movie premier to satisfy your dream of the perfect comic/movie. Just step away, and if said comic or movie ever comes to be, then it isn't going anywhere.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Also Batman is overrated and so is Lego

I know you think everything is overated, but lego? It's just a children's toy.

Overpriced, maybe. Stupid things have literally tripled in price since I was a kid. And they were already expensive back then!

 

[Fox12]

Also Batman is overrated and so is Lego

I know you think everything is overated, but lego? It's just a children's toy.

Overpriced, maybe. Stupid things have literally tripled in price since I was a kid. And they were already expensive back then!

The damn things cost fifty bucks or more for most sets

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I'm done, DC and Marvel. I am now in a state where I just can't stand Superheroes any longer. And the big 2 just suck at giving me what I want.

Marvel movies as of now absolutely does not give me what I want from Superhero movies or anything that appeals to me.

DC movies as of now only partially gives me what I want appealed to me. But everyone hates it and its a sinking ship waiting to be rebooted into something either worse or just won't appeal to me. And the tiring prospect of watching the same movie again telling the same story again (But this time done "right") and again there over-reliance on Batman at the cost of their other heroes.

So what am I left with? Nothing, nothing at all. Comics? They are expensive and have a labyrinthine lore that spans almost 100 years of development especially when even a solo Superhero comic still makes crossovers with other characters from other comics, and even then they just recycle the same story arcs done years before like how many Teen Titans books have been rebooted only to show the same story-arc of say Raven turning evil and releasing her Demon father Trigon into the world?

Animation? Already perfected back in the 90s/Early 2000s with 90s Spiderman, X-Men, and the DCAU. Nothing the currently line up will ever live up to the past animated works.

In the end I am just done. Superheroes have lost me now, these "Icons of pop culture" are dead to me now.

I am just sticking with the Tolkien-Esque Fantasy.

Some valid complaints, but does this also mean you'll stop having a coronary about those of us excited to see Guardians Vol. 2? Because I won't lie that got old fast.

Isn't that what "done with comic book superheroes" mean?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Also Batman is overrated and so is Lego

I know you think everything is overated, but lego? It's just a children's toy.

Overpriced, maybe. Stupid things have literally tripled in price since I was a kid. And they were already expensive back then!

The damn things cost fifty bucks or more for most sets

Its ever since Lego Star Wars the first game came out:

Lego has been everywhere. And Lego as a toy I just don't care for because in the end they are just statues. Rather play with proper action figures and sets.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Have you considered making your own work? I'm not having a go here, I'm serious. Put a pen to paper, hammer out a concept, figure out where you want to take it, and start drawing. Worst case scenario, you've tried your hand at a new hobby that let you vent some of your frustrations and express the kind of story you wanted to see. Best case scenario, other people like it too. Seriously, even if you don't publicize it, you should consider giving it a shot.

... How did you know what I was doing? Mind you, I get you were quoting someone else but this was exactly what I was occupied with four hours ago (and not done in the slightest). Also it's not towards a Superhero comic but rather, an RP i'm involved in ... but i'm drawing and writing a story regardless so it still applies.

OT: The main problem is that trying to do something new / introducing us to other characters is a risky business. While we see movies as entertainment and can easily criticism the studios ... on their end, they have to put down millions of dollars in hopes the movie makes profit. If the movie flops, they've lost a huge sum of money.

Granted, Marvel has taken risks and were handsomely rewarded for it (Ant Man and Guardians of the Galaxy comes to mind) but at the same time, they're not innocent from recycling stories either or relying on their popular heroes to keep stealing screen time from their other line of heroes. DC ... uh, they're relying too hard on Batman & Superman to make profit, along with trying to be 'super edgy' in everything they do. I like reality checks, I do appreciate the dark themes but sometimes having one tone throughout the film does kill the mood. It'd be like having a scary movie where every 2 minutes, a jump scare happens. You just ruin the formula without every mixing it up or building up the world to make those aspects count.

I'm still hyped for GotG II that's coming out soon

I can distill the problen with DC in one source.

Batman.

The Dark Knight made them the most money so every since Green Lantern failed (a movie that was gonna start its own cinematic universe) they rebooted so that all their movies will be like Batman, Man of Steel is a clear example of doing everything they can to make it like Batman Begins/Dark Knight. Right down to the name. Because Nolan Batman made the 1 billion dollars.

I mean I remember articles from websites saying they want all DC to have no jokes and be dark like the Nolan Trilogy.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I'm done, DC and Marvel. I am now in a state where I just can't stand Superheroes any longer. And the big 2 just suck at giving me what I want.

Marvel movies as of now absolutely does not give me what I want from Superhero movies or anything that appeals to me.

DC movies as of now only partially gives me what I want appealed to me. But everyone hates it and its a sinking ship waiting to be rebooted into something either worse or just won't appeal to me. And the tiring prospect of watching the same movie again telling the same story again (But this time done "right") and again there over-reliance on Batman at the cost of their other heroes.

So what am I left with? Nothing, nothing at all. Comics? They are expensive and have a labyrinthine lore that spans almost 100 years of development especially when even a solo Superhero comic still makes crossovers with other characters from other comics, and even then they just recycle the same story arcs done years before like how many Teen Titans books have been rebooted only to show the same story-arc of say Raven turning evil and releasing her Demon father Trigon into the world?

Animation? Already perfected back in the 90s/Early 2000s with 90s Spiderman, X-Men, and the DCAU. Nothing the currently line up will ever live up to the past animated works.

In the end I am just done. Superheroes have lost me now, these "Icons of pop culture" are dead to me now.

I am just sticking with the Tolkien-Esque Fantasy.

Some valid complaints, but does this also mean you'll stop having a coronary about those of us excited to see Guardians Vol. 2? Because I won't lie that got old fast.

Isn't that what "done with comic book superheroes" mean?

Ostensibly yes, but I've been around the block a few times with people on forums who make threads to perform some kind of declarative rain dance to the Gods of Internet Notoriety declaring they're done/leaving/turning into the burning bush in regards to topic X/Y/Z and it's almost always an exercise in fishing for relevance from an audience.

Or more briefly, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[WindKnight]

Could try something else. I've been loving the IDW Transformers stuff - Last Stand Of The Wreckers, Sins Of The Wreckers, More Than Meets The Eyes, Till All Are One.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Could try something else. I've been loving the IDW Transformers stuff - Last Stand Of The Wreckers, Sins Of The Wreckers, More Than Meets The Eyes, Till All Are One.

Robots in Disguise is good too, and I justify that with these words "Starscream enters politics". It almost seems the most natural calling for him.

 

[DanteRL]

What I want is the epicness of Kingdom Come:


Combined with the Character depth of Watchmen.

Combined with DBZ style action that can get tense and brutal.

And some extra note from the best of DCAU.

You seem like you want some of that "Anime" thing kids keep talking about nowadays. Have you tried "Anime"?
And it's been a while since I've read anything new in terms of super heroes comics. But there are a lot of comics out there with different settings that are really cool. Sci-fi and stuff.

 

[BrawlMan]

Honestly if you're going to complain about anything I'd have thought it would be the comics, specifically Marvel's comics which right now have done the seemingly impossible of being even worst then D.C.'s movies.

Even though I am done with Superheroes, I still stand by that Comics have made worse than any Movie ever made. At least movies are watchable.

I mean comics gave us this:

"Tune your ear to the frequency of despair, followed by the longitude and latitude of a heart in agony, Listen, Listen"

-Spiderman One More Day.

You know the worst part is that those days for Marvel where better then the current trash they're pumping out. It's gotten so bad comic book shops are now at risk of going out of business in many places and many have literally resorted to begging Marvel to stop pumping out trash.

You'd think that the company could afford competent artists and writers.

This is why I don't bother with overly long manga nor comics today. I don't have much time,nor patience, for those things when I was a kid, and rather just have a complete story.

That's why we have One Punch-Man; The Superman we deserve.

I tried to get into One-Punch Man, but felt it was telling the same joke over and over again about the shounen genre. If I really need to see a guy kill most of his opponents in one punch, I'll stick with Fist of the North Star.

Samtemdo8, have you tried watching Marvel's Netflix shows, they're really good. Otherwise if you dislike them too there's mot much else I can do for you.

Other than some comicbook/superhero/manga inspired games you may or may not have played before.

Comix Zone

Mad World

Viewtiful Joe 1 & 2

The Wonderful 101

Devil May Cry 1, 3, & 4 - This one is kinda cheating, but similar to Blade, Dante's a superhero packing heat and various melee weapons.

 

[the December King]

The last round of comics/graphic novels I tried was Scalped. Art was brilliant, story was compelling. Easily some of the best comics I have ever read- but with the caveat that I'm not much of a comics guy.

As to superhero movies, I don't think I've ever really liked the genre- or action-focused movies in general (with a few exceptions I guess, like some of the Bond films, the first Bourne movie, The Avengers was alright, etc.- it's not a hard life rule, or anything, just a general preference).

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

But at this point, being proven ticket sellers, you're only going to see more of them coming out.

While I'm not opposed to Superhero movies in a general sense (I like a good action sequence and Marvel's outings provide them), I do dislike that the growing numbers of releases per year represent a drain of funds to other movies in different genres through the studios. If this bothers you in a big way, one thing to work around it is to give Indie films your time and money. Believe me, knowing how some of my producer friends live, we can use the money.

 

[Casual Shinji]

That's why we have One Punch-Man; The Superman we deserve.

When the fuck is season 2?

Who needs season 2 when the manga is readily available.

I tried to get into One-Punch Man, but felt it was telling the same joke over and over again about the shounen genre. If I really need to see a guy kill most of his opponents in one punch, I'll stick with Fist of the North Star.

Once the other superheroes and villains start entering the fray it becomes way more than just goofing on the shounen genre. You haven't lived till you've seen Metal Bat vs. Garou.

As for the whole one punch shtick, after the first couple of times it becomes more about observing the villains when they come across the unstoppable force that is Saitama rather than Saitama himself. There's a reason almost every encounter is shown from the opponent's perspective.

 

[happyninja42]

So what am I left with? Nothing, nothing at all.

Hardly, there is an entire genre of "superhero genre" material out there, that is quite good. Have you heard of these things called books? Also audiobooks? They are bigger versions of the comics you mentioned. If you actually want super hero content, but don't like how the content is presented by DC/Marvel, then I'd suggest looking up some stuff on audible, or your bookstore if you aren't into listening to a story and would rather read it directly.

3 examples that are my personal favorites:

1. Steelheart Trilogy, by Brandon Sanderson. Basic premise of the world, "what if having super powers, made you a villain?" Everyone who is empowered, is a badguy, there are no Heroes with powers, they are all the "bad" versions of any hero you might have a love for from the classics. The only people fighting them are the regular humans. Brandon Sanderson is one of the most talented writers of scifi/fantasy currently, in my opinion, and he takes a really good, really gritty take on the super hero genre. The books are funny, disturbing, and enjoyable as hell. You should check them out.

2. Super Powereds by Drew Hayes. Sort of like Harry Potter meets super hero school. It follows a group of would-be heroes, who have enrolled in the Hero Certification Program. The school system that trains people with powers how to be a super hero. Saying it's like Harry Potter might be misleading, as it's not little kids, it's all college age stuff going on. The books are a loving tribute to the various tropes of the genre, while, like Sanderson's work, takes a more realistic, and darker take on what the world would be like if people with powers existed. The books are also big as fuck. Like, 30-40 hours of audio material to listen to, which usually translates to a doorstop of a physical novel. The kind that gives you back problems and can be used to survive a zombie attack.

3. Soon I Will Be Invincible: I forget the authors name, as I read this book like 15 years ago or something. It's another "deconstruction" type story, told from the viewpoint of a super villain who is currently in prison after being caught by his rival....again. It's his personal memoirs kind of thing, as he explains how he went to villainy and stuff. Really good story.

So yeah, there is plenty of non-comic, non-DC/Marvel material out there, you just have to actually look for it somewhere other than a movie theater or comic store

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

What I want is the epicness of Kingdom Come:


Combined with the Character depth of Watchmen.

Combined with DBZ style action that can get tense and brutal.

And some extra note from the best of DCAU.

You seem like you want some of that "Anime" thing kids keep talking about nowadays. Have you tried "Anime"?
And it's been a while since I've read anything new in terms of super heroes comics. But there are a lot of comics out there with different settings that are really cool. Sci-fi and stuff.

Oh yeah I forgot, and it has to be in animation. Animation is superior to live action when it comes to replicating the heroes.

 

[Asita]

Have you considered making your own work? I'm not having a go here, I'm serious. Put a pen to paper, hammer out a concept, figure out where you want to take it, and start drawing. Worst case scenario, you've tried your hand at a new hobby that let you vent some of your frustrations and express the kind of story you wanted to see. Best case scenario, other people like it too. Seriously, even if you don't publicize it, you should consider giving it a shot.

... How did you know what I was doing? Mind you, I get you were quoting someone else but this was exactly what I was occupied with four hours ago (and not done in the slightest). Also it's not towards a Superhero comic but rather, an RP i'm involved in ... but i'm drawing and writing a story regardless so it still applies.

Wonderful. I hope you'll share it someday

OT: The main problem is that trying to do something new / introducing us to other characters is a risky business. While we see movies as entertainment and can easily criticism the studios ... on their end, they have to put down millions of dollars in hopes the movie makes profit. If the movie flops, they've lost a huge sum of money.

Honestly, I think it's less risk aversion than it is the simple fact that the inmates are running the asylum. Batman and Superman's origins aren't being done over and over by the same people, they're being one (or at least commissioned by) a great many people who saw the older works and either think they can improve upon them or even just want to do them differently. It's canonized fanfiction, really, and people are making variants of what they know. And when the same characters get publicized over and over, that means that those will be the characters people are most familiar with and want to make variations of. Your average Joe on the street is, after all, far more likely to know about Harry Potter and make fanfiction off of that than he is to know and write about Second Variety.