Attraction explained: how to talk to women

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Let's start off slow. Don't want to drown people in knowledge.

What is attraction? For men and women, it is a primal biological urge we feel when we find someone who we think is suitable to pass on our genes. The evolutionary theory is that back in our tribal days (for which we are still hot wired thanks to rapid technology increase) the most beautiful women would be the best child caretakers, while the most confident men would be the best providers for those children. And THIS urge comes from one of our most primal urges: the urge to reproduce, and to care for our offspring.

I will reiterate what I just said, but highlighting the important bits:

Men go for looks, women go for status.

With men, attraction is simple; she looks fine, attraction switch goes off. It can get a bit more complex than this, but not much. Many men file women under one of two categories: romantic interest and non-interesting. With the first one, they find the woman attractive and may actively or passively pursue a romantic interaction of some sort. While with the other, many men think of women they aren't attracted to as wastes of time or an unnecessary obstacle.

With women, things are much more complex. So complex, in fact, that it would be hard for me to fit it into a bite sized paragraph like I did for men. I'll try and spread it out.

Women go for confidence because they are genetically programed to do so. Back in the tribal era, the most confident man was the tribe leader. He could provide for the woman and her children in many ways, and so was the most attractive. That is why you see jerks getting girls, while nice guys get to lean against the wall and be sad.

Now I'm not saying that women don't like nice guys. Many do. What I'm saying is that they don't find kindness attractive. Status, confidence, talent and an outgoing nature are attractive. Being a nice guy isn't. Even still many women get tired of dating jerks, no matter how attractive they are because of misplaced confidence. So the moral of the story is, be as nice as you want, but you have to know who you are.

Here is how not to get into a relationship with a girl:

1. Realize you have attraction for her, then muster the courage to go talk to her.
2. Ask her some random questions about herself, and also throw in a few compliments. Don't forget to hold the door open for her.
3. Gather up the courage to "ask her out," saying to yourself to just get it over with.
4. Get told shes busy, has a boyfriend, likes you as a friend, etc. then go complain about it on the internet


Does this sound familiar? I know it does to me. I remember being completely bewildered when the girls were being so nice to me but then rejecting me. And it made me learn an important lesson:
interaction is not attraction. Chances are, if the above scenario happens to you, its probably because you are not confident enough, and have low social status.

Another thing; girls aren't stupid. She knows what you're trying to pull. When guys randomly walk up to them and start asking them random-ass questions, they know they just want to get in their pants. This may not be true for the more romantic among us, but it is the assumption that will always be made. If you want to get the girl of your dreams, you need to turn these expectations on their head.

Now that we've covered how to fail, lets begin to talk about how to succeed. I mean, its great to talk about being a more confident person, but how are you really going to apply it? Are you just going to puff your chest out, and walk up the same girl and ask the same boring questions? To apply this knowledge, we will go through a step by step process, for all you fans of logic. And believe me, you may not know it, but anything you can do to be with your dream girl has roots in logic.

To start, lets return to that old assumption. When a guy walks about to a girl and starts asking them personal questions, he is hitting on her. So how do you walk up to a girl a start flirting without that assumption coming up and shitting on everything? We do this:

ME: Hey, I gotta go in a second but, can I get your opinion on something? (Body language turned away as if i was just walking by)
GIRL: Okay.
ME: It's very important, a matter of life and death, in fact. I want you to think very hard about this. (said seriously, but not in a boring way; as if what you say is of dire importance to the main character in a comedic sketch)
GIRL: alright...
ME: Do you floss before or after you brush? I've been trying to figure it out for days! (Said in a joking way, as you would say the punchline of a joke [don't laugh])
GIRL: Laughs.


This might be a bit much for some, but I will do my best to explain it. at the beginning I was turned away from her, as if I was passing by, and I said that I gotta go in a second, so she won't be afraid I'll hang around forever. When someone goes up to a girl and starts talking about something, generally a thought will surface that says "when is this guy going to leave?" So the first thing we do is get rid of that.

Next I ask for her opinion on something. I get her attention and ask her to think, even though in this case it is just the set up for a joke. You probably want to actually get her opinion on something that isn't stupid, e.g. "who cheats more, men or women?" or "There are five oceans right? I can only think of four, can you help me out?" (don't worry, I will come back to this)

And next comes the gag itself. It is generally not a good idea to start with a joke, as you may seem needy, but that doesn't apply in this case. Here it seems that you are just a funny guy interacting with his surroundings, while if you walk up and ask her why the chicken crossed the road you might get shut out.

The whole opinion thing is a tool I use to get her talking about something she is interested in. Good topics to start with are romance, pets, or magic. Don't talk about creepy things like rapists, talk about something that is interesting. And above all, be happy when you say it. Smile! Be confident!

I know this is a lot but in essence it means this: don't make it obvious why you are chatting with her, and once you are, don't start asking lame questions like "where do you work" or "do you come her often?" Turn her expectations around, tease her, insist that she is flirting with 'you,' and you will likely get one of these:

Signs of attraction:
*She reinitiates conversations when you stop talking
*She giggles
*She touches you
*She looks back and glances at you repeatedly ever minute or so
*She tosses her hair (to see if you will look)
*If eye contact happens from a distance, she holds it for a second
*She smiles at you
*She stands nearby (proximity)
*She interrupts your conversation from nearby or laughs at something you said
*While walking by, she turns her body toward you or brushes against you
*She says something to her friend and they both giggle
*She asks you for a light or the time or in any way initiates a conversation
*While you're talking to her group, she is particularly talkative (to get your attention)
*She asks you for your name
*She asks you your age (make her guess)
*She compliments you
*She is playful and tries to challenge you
*She's disagreeing but laughing
*She's punching your arm but laughing
*She uses nicknames for you
*She plays with her hair while talking to you
*When she is sitting next to you her leg touches yours
*She repeatedly touches you in any way
*She asks if you have a girlfriend
*She mentions your girlfriend without knowing if you actually have one
*When she has to go to the bathroom, she comes back
*She holds eye contact for longer periods of time when she speaks with you
*She avoids mentioning her boyfriend
*If it comes up that you like somthing, she mentions that she likes it, too, or needs someone to show her how to do it
*When she says or does something, she looks at you to see your reaction
*She looks at you from the side, to hide the fact that she's looking
*She introduces you to friends
*She buys you a drink
*She calls you a player or a heartbreaker
*On her way out, she reapproaches you to tell you that she is leaving
*On your way out, she asks you where you are going (Invite her)
*She returns your calls
*She invents reasons to be near you, intereact with you, or have isolation with you

If 3 or more of these happen in one encounter, chances are shes attracted to you. Now I've written way more than I intended to already so I'm just going to say one last thing. If you plan on listening to me and teasing her silly, there are two things to keep in mind. YOU ARE ALWAYS JOKING, NOTHING YOU SAY SHOULD EVER BE CONSTRUED AS AN INSULT. And try to AVOID TEASING ABOUT LOOKS, SOCIAL STATUS, OR RELATIONSHIPS. THIS WILL MAKE HER SOMEWHAT MAD/DEPRESSED, DEPENDING ON HOW SECURE SHE IS WITH HERSELF.

WARNING: Hortez the Champion of the Frozen Wastes is not liable for any injury, hurtful comment or slap to the face you may receive from listening to me. Hortez would like to remind you that if this doesn't work, it's not my fault, its yours.
 

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ITT: Justifications and rationalizations for romantic shortcomings with a heavy Western bias using largely baseless suppositions as evidence.

Some of these are pretty funny though. My favorite is the one about asking for a light being a sign of attraction. Nothing says "you're interesting" like a nicotine craving.
 

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Must. Resist. Rant.

urgh... Congratulations! You've just described how to hit on/pick up approximately 5% of the female population.

Come back when you realize the other 95% don't fit your nice little stereotype.
 
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aschere van she said:
Holy fuck.

Okay. If you spend this much time analising "relationships", and "how to talk to women", and you actually buy into this stuff, you are a sad, sad person, and you probably consider a brief mundane conversation with a "girl" to make your day. (E.X. You: Tuesdays Coming, did you bring your coat? Her: yes.)

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IN OTHER WORDS,
Wisdom from a normal, non socially crippled person who actually talks to people of the opposite gender:


People are not rational creatures. They are not computers, they do not operate by logical constraints, they are emotional, feeling above thinking. If you actually try to talk to someone by "the rules" or something, you're going to look like an idiot. If you analise people by these terrible generalizations, chances are you haven't actually been around many people.

How this pertains to this thread: If you want to embark on the momentous task of talking to one of those "women" that you've heard exist, act natural and when i say act natural, don't act, acting is a mistake. Don't think about it, just have a normal fucking conversation with them.
I am fully aware that the majority of people operate based on their feelings. What I am proposing is that their emotions have logical connections behind them.
 

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smearyllama said:
Wall of text!
I don't care if this is off topic, because this is off topic discussion!
Holy crap, I can't stop laughing. Great use of Reagan.

OT: Woah, that's a lot of writing. How much time did that take? I think some of the stuff mentioned isn't true. But if it works for you more power to you.
 

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1. Talk to said girl and be confident, but don't act like a dick while talking to her.
2. Act or be genuinely interested in the topic at hand.

Really not that hard.
 

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hortez the champion of the frozen wastes said:
aschere van she said:
Holy fuck.

Okay. If you spend this much time analising "relationships", and "how to talk to women", and you actually buy into this stuff, you are a sad, sad person, and you probably consider a brief mundane conversation with a "girl" to make your day. (E.X. You: Tuesdays Coming, did you bring your coat? Her: yes.)

.

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IN OTHER WORDS,
Wisdom from a normal, non socially crippled person who actually talks to people of the opposite gender:


People are not rational creatures. They are not computers, they do not operate by logical constraints, they are emotional, feeling above thinking. If you actually try to talk to someone by "the rules" or something, you're going to look like an idiot. If you analise people by these terrible generalizations, chances are you haven't actually been around many people.

How this pertains to this thread: If you want to embark on the momentous task of talking to one of those "women" that you've heard exist, act natural and when i say act natural, don't act, acting is a mistake. Don't think about it, just have a normal fucking conversation with them.
I am fully aware that the majority of people operate based on their feelings. What I am proposing is that their emotions have logical connections behind them.
What i am proposing is that they don't.

Actually, I'm not proposing, they don't.
Sure, logical connections like: "i got beaten up, ergo i am sad" exist, but you cannot oversimplify people to little "rules"

Good day sir.
 
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EcksTeaSea said:
1. Talk to said girl and be confident, but don't act like a dick while talking to her.
2. Act or be genuinely interested in the topic at hand.

Really not that hard.
Tell that to the people who went through this:

1. Realize you have attraction for her, then muster the courage to go talk to her.
2. Ask her some random questions about herself, and also throw in a few compliments. Don't forget to hold the door open for her.
3. Gather up the courage to "ask her out," saying to yourself to just get it over with.
4. Get told shes busy, has a boyfriend, likes you as a friend, etc. then go complain about it on the internet
 

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voetballeeuw said:
smearyllama said:
Wall of text!
I don't care if this is off topic, because this is off topic discussion!
Holy crap, I can't stop laughing. Great use of Reagan.

OT: Woah, that's a lot of writing. How much time did that take?
You could probably either string it together using random paragraphs from AskMen.com and Wikipedia, or just copy-paste it from some frustrated 12-year-old boy's DeviantArt journal, for all the critical thought it took to develop. So as far as time investment...maybe about 15 minutes if he's a slow typist. :p
 

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This is very true. Girls dig confidence and Ive noticed a huge improvement in my sex life when I started dressing better, working out, and just being more outgoing in general.
 

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hortez the champion of the frozen wastes said:
EcksTeaSea said:
1. Talk to said girl and be confident, but don't act like a dick while talking to her.
2. Act or be genuinely interested in the topic at hand.

Really not that hard.
Tell that to the people who went through this:

1. Realize you have attraction for her, then muster the courage to go talk to her.
2. Ask her some random questions about herself, and also throw in a few compliments. Don't forget to hold the door open for her.
3. Gather up the courage to "ask her out," saying to yourself to just get it over with.
4. Get told shes busy, has a boyfriend, likes you as a friend, etc. then go complain about it on the internet
Then that's just bad luck for them. Sadly, there is no 100% perfect recipe for romance, and no matter what moves you make, you'll eventually run into a woman that just isn't that into you.

What worked best for me in the past.

1. Check for a ring.
2. Strike up conversation.
3. For the love of god, don't get too mushy with a woman you just met. Some women dig the whole "You're the most beautiful woman I've ever seen" routine, but that's the quickest and easiest way to get your ass kicked if she's taken.
4. Ask her out for something friendly, like joining some friends heading bowling or to the movies.
5. If she's interested, then you schedule something else for the future/swap phone numbers.
 

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aschere van she said:
smearyllama said:
Wall of text!
I don't care if this is off topic, because this is off topic discussion!
off topic discussion =/= spam the threads with random shit.
You don't get it do you...
You see, it's a wall of text, and Reagan is asking to tear down the Berlin Wall...
 

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Wow...you sir are a sad lonly man if you think this is how it works. You have my pity.
 

aschere van she

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smearyllama said:
aschere van she said:
smearyllama said:
Wall of text!
I don't care if this is off topic, because this is off topic discussion!
off topic discussion =/= spam the threads with random shit.
You don't get it do you...
You see, it's a wall of text, and Reagan is asking to tear down the Berlin Wall...
Yeah i get it.
It's.... very funny.
 

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Despite what the current Western trend is (or at least in America), the best way to actually talk to women and have relationships is to just be their friend and let things naturally flow. I used to be social awkward with girls in my early years but now I have just as many lady friends as guy friends. When I stopped trying and just let myself be normal, I was able to talk to numerous girls, get all kinds of numbers, and finally find a good girlfriend.
 

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hortez the champion of the frozen wastes said:
EcksTeaSea said:
1. Talk to said girl and be confident, but don't act like a dick while talking to her.
2. Act or be genuinely interested in the topic at hand.

Really not that hard.
Tell that to the people who went through this:

1. Realize you have attraction for her, then muster the courage to go talk to her.
2. Ask her some random questions about herself, and also throw in a few compliments. Don't forget to hold the door open for her.
3. Gather up the courage to "ask her out," saying to yourself to just get it over with.
4. Get told shes busy, has a boyfriend, likes you as a friend, etc. then go complain about it on the internet
Then move on to the next girl? I mean everyone is gonna get shot down plenty of times. Yes it sucks and yes it might set your self esteem back a bit, but remember its only a drawback. Do you talk to a girl solely on the purpose of trying to get a date?
 

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Uhh what the hell is all this then? No seriously, what the hell? Not trying to be rude here, but you really shouldn't be teaching people how to pick up shallow girls and calling them the "girl of their dreams". About the only thing I could say was accurate about that rant was the point about being confident. The real key is simply to strike up a conversation about a common interest, and not fall all over yourself trying to appear charming and/or funny. Real women see through that bullshit and immediately become disinterested because to them, you're just another egocentric jackass trying to get in their pants.
 
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Scarecrow 8 said:
Wow...you sir are a sad lonly man if you think this is how it works. You have my pity.
I wanna get something clear right now: I am not a lonely man. I go out and talk to all sorts of people on a regular basis. And when I flirt with women, I do what I described in my Berlin-wall-of-text, and it works. I did not invent this theory sitting in my basement. I didn't even make it up. It was made when a group of guys decided they didn't want to be sad and lonely and went out and did something about it. It works, ask anyone who knows anything about psychology and they will tell you it works.