Fire Daemon said:
The main reason why I am in favor of their not being an R18+ is because that I believe that the majority of the Australian voting public don't want an R18+ rating, mostly based on the fact that the majority of Australia's are in favor for Conroy's Internet Filter. I'm a believer in democracy and I wouldn't want to see Australian law determined by the vocal minority.
The majority don't give 2 shits honestly and if we're talking about introducing policy that only 50.1% of Australia want then why did the alcopop and beer tax's come in I grantee you there was less than 25% off Australia that wanted that development, Even More ironic is that it didn't solve any problems.
Fire Daemon said:
Were I in Atkinson's shoes I would also keep and R18+ rating from coming into place without knowing for certain that 50.1% of the population or greater would want it. I would like for the majority of Australians to be in favor of the R18+ rating, I really would because things would be better for everyone, but I find it hard to believe that most people want it and so it must be kept away.
http://apcmag.com/internet-users-ponder-voting-liberal-over-forced-internet-filtering.htm
this survey was done on whirlpool so it is a mostly a general net user type survey and they don't seem very receptive to your points
Also I am yet to meet a person who Agrees with the internet filter that actually is informed about what it will actually do, Any political person will tell you it leads us down a slippery slope of the government being able to control any and all information into Australia. Even goes as far as removing information that could be detrimental to their political campaigns.
In theory the Filter is a Good Idea, Piss off child porn and the unsavory things that no one in Australia should see. But in practice it runs into the faults of having a poorly implemented system not to mention what are these Perverts going to do without their precious child porn I hardly see them going oh well back to being normal. They removal of materials from them could actually cause them to do something in the physical world( I'm not saying that this is a reason to kill the filter but there must be a dual attack you can't just remove drugs from a junkie and hope he gets Sober again)
Fire Daemon said:
Atkinson as often been called a tyrant for keeping away the R18+ rating but I honestly think that gamers are the Tyrants here, or at least trying to be. We have good reasons sure, but we the minority are trying to force our laws and opinions on the majority and that really doesn't sit well with me.
Ok I have 2 problems with this
A) whether or not we are a minority or not The introduction of R18+ games does not Affect any non gamers in any way shape or form it purely allows the system to rate games correctly
it is completely different than a change to P-Plate laws because there are a few terrible crashes each year there are allot of P-plater's who don't do stupid things but the laws were changed and actually affect them. Where in comparison allowing R rated game merely allows people who wish to be able to play there violent or games with adult related themes deemed inappropriate for teenagers the opportunity to do so.
It also means that the laws can be clearer about the way games are rated Because at the moment as much as some like to deny it there are games that are coming into the MA15+ rating that shouldn't be there AvP , MW2, CoD:WaW (this one makes it in off dismemberment of limbs which is something soldier of fortune was banned for) and GTA IV teeters precariously close depending on who you talk to
B) it's hardly being a tyrant to be able to have access to the same sort of material that other countries can take for granted. Some games can be considered art forms in terms of story and game play ( Fahrenheit /Indigo Prophecy) which was censored
Fire Daemon said:
No, I'm not 15. If I was 15 I would rather miss out on games due to the majority wanting an R18+ rating than get my hands on games deserving of an R18+ rating at a younger age. If I was 15 (or 16 or 17) I would be happy to wait to buy an R18+ game. I believe I made that comment in regards to Fallout 3 when this issue was brought to light.
What I Assume you trying to say here is that if the R18+ rating was introduced That it would be easy to Buy an R18+ Game. This is More of the standard Atkinson Babble "oh we can't have R games the 10 yr olds would buy them". IF these R18+ games can be purchased by an underage kid that isn't a problem with the Ratings Laws , It is however a telling Example that the punishment for selling games to minors needs to be improved. I mean by your argument we should just ban Cigarettes, Alcohol and Sex because Minors might get a hold of it.
Fire Daemon said:
I've thought on this matter for a while and eventually came to the above conclusion after what I suppose was a year (or maybe more) of deliberation. I looked at this from as many sides as I could and eventually came to my conclusion, a strange conclusion that I don't think many share because most people I've seen talk about this issue either have immense knee jerk reactions leading to violence and hate or just don't care. Did you honestly believe that I decided in favor of the R18+ rating without at least thinking about it and doing some research? I asked you to try to figure out my opinion yourself, I wanted you to think for yourself, but you seem far too happy to list off the reasons for an R18+ rating others have already made many, many times.
I am thinking For Myself and did you ever think that maybe just maybe that all the points you say the Pro R18+ people put out are there because they are legitimate reasons to implement and R18+ so that the ratings system can work properly instead of allowing people access to games that clearly should in the R18+ rating
You are entitled to your own opinion like I am mine. But you come off petty damn arrogant in that paragraph that anyone who supports R18+ games is wrong and being some mindless slave to society(which kind of goes against the whole minority thing) which is why this has turned into a rant(Hell I may have done the same in this reply, it may be slightly the booze)
But My Belief Is still that The Introduction of an R18+ Rating hurts no one and benefits everyone people still need to Remember there is an RC rating which prevents all content just being shipped into Australia
also to use another topic to point out that points are used extremely often to make a point is the pro/anti abortion they have been using the same arguments against each other for years
