Autism. Do you think it is a blessing or a curse?

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Borty The Bort

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I'm not talking about the term in a derogative fashion, I am merely referencing the actual ailment itself. I was diagnosed with it quite some time ago (low-functioning autism is what I have, it was specifically Aspergers initially but Aspergers has apparently been panned off and has recently been merged into the rest of the autism spectrum instead of being considered unique in the UK, but it's still debated by psychiatrists) and I am curious to hear what people think about the ailment. Do you think it is a disability, or do you think it grants people abilities?

I imagine that to most of you that autism is a closed book to anyone who hasn't been diagnosed or does not have a friend or relative who has been, but I still would like your opinion, even if you might be ignorant to the "symptoms" of autism itself. I just want to hear your take on the subject.

Oh, and bonus points for anyone who tries to give me an opinion on high-functioning autism and low-functioning autism seperately.
I know this might be an unusual request, but I am curious to hear from other people outside of my own family and friends on the subject
 

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I've read a few research items by a fellow named Flip Schrameijer out of researchgate, and his insight has really changed the way I think about autism.

I hate to say it, but I still barely understand exactly what autism is, where/how it develops, and the positive and negative aspects that come with having autism; this is even more complicated due to the varying degrees of autism, and the blizzard of misinformation surrounding the topic entirely.

I'll likely end up working with autistic people at some point in my career after I graduate. I'm hoping that direct interaction will help me learn more about the condition, because right now, I don't feel knowledgeable enough to have opinions on it one way or another. Sorry if "I don't know" is a copout answer, but given that you are curious about other peoples' perspectives, I'd wager you understand my hesitation to say much more than that.

Having read The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time, I am both fascinated and horrified by the depiction of what life with Asperger's must be like. If you've read it, can you tell me if the character's condition is relatable, or accurate? Like I said, there is a lot of variation with autism, but I always wondered how closely that book details it.
 

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I'm diagnosed with PDD-nos myself. And I find it rather annoying at times. I'm often called rude/crude, have trouble dealing with even small crowds for longer periods of time, can't pick up on subtleties in social cues, and during work the idea of taking initiative often doesn't even occur to me. If I'm told what to do when I'll do it just fine though. But I wouldn't call it a curse or a blessing. Just...something you have to learn to live with and make the best of. Everyone has something like that in their life I think. Authism or not.
 

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The problem with splitting autistic people into "high functioning" and "low functioning" is that in reality every autistic person is a little different. These are subjective judgements on how well a person appears to be dealing with the world around them. People can be very high functioning in one regard and very low functioning in others. Also, some people, because of how they've been brought up or trained, are able to give the appearance of being more high functioning than they actually are.

But at the same time, one major issue I have with the whole idea that autism shouldn't be treated as a disability is that it tends to come from people who are able to live relatively normal lives and it excludes people who, for example, wouldn't be able to post on this internet forum or attend neurodiversity meetings. I'm another PDD-NOS myself, and in general the impairments I suffer are negligible. I find it a bit difficult to form sentences verbally sometimes and I feel distressed when I have to change my routine or plan around something. However, I've worked with people who wouldn't be able to tie their own shoelaces without help and who were incapable of living independently or holding down a job. Those people tend to be absent from the discussion on whether autism is a disability or not, because they lack the ability to independently speak or contribute.

The neurodiversity movement makes a good point sometimes that we shouldn't be so quick to judge people as pathological simply for thinking or seeing the world differently, but there needs to be a place for talking about autism as a disability, if nothing else so that people who need support in order to live can do so. Even relatively "high functioning" people can need a little help sometimes, and I'm wary of anything which risks compromising the ability to do so.
 

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I don't know that I'd label anything considered a disorder as a "blessing." Sure, some folks can cope with it to varying extents, but even if they feel like they are perfectly fine they way they are, there's no real way to know if they'd have been happier without it. It's sort of like saying the grass is always greener on THIS side of the fence, ya know? I mean, if you've decided your grass is green enough, that's a very healthy frame of mind to have, so that's great... but can you ever really be sure you're better off as you are?
 

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One of my closest friends in high school (we kind of fell out of contact since we went to different colleges and where across a metropolitan and two major rivers from each other after that) and I'll definitely lean towards "curse", and if we find a way to cure it I'd fully support funding that.

I'm sorry, but the benefits are outweighed by the negatives even in the high functional end (to say nothing of the fact low functional autism has pretty much no benefits).
 

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I fall squarely in the "Autism is a disability"-camp. I've seen too many people who's autism has prevented them from functioning in society without support from relatives or social services, people who were unable to pursue their dreams due to their autism or simply felt incredibly distressed because they felt different and unable to interact with other people at a level they were satisfied with. Granted, I work in a psychiatric ward so the autism I see tends to be the more severe cases. I also have an immense amount of respect for the people that can "turn their autism around" and make it work for them in their professional or personal life, because it isn't easy to play to your strengths in a society where those strengths aren't always appreciated.
 

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Like most things in life, there's good and bad points to it. The difficult part is teasing out whether positive traits are a result of autism, or whether you would have them regardless. If I had been born neurotypical, would I still have an excellent memory for facts, a logical mindset and a vivid imagination that's useful for writing fiction? Who can say. I'm content with my life as it is though.
 

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On the whole it's been rather shit for me. It's caused me to live very isolated from other people. Direct contact is mired by my brain being unable to follow the flow of a conversation, or at best it being extremely difficult and exhausting. It's knocked my self esteem down completely. This then works as a vicious circle, since the more self deprecating I am the less I'm willing to go out there and mingle, which causes my self esteem to fall even lower. It's the reason why I haven't had a friend in at least 14 years, and why I haven't had a relationship in ever.

I still have my family who I'm fine with. I'm the youngest of five so I don't know any better than that they've been there. But outside of them it feels like other people are simply locked away from me.

There's also places like this where I can interact with other people without being crippled by anxiety.

I always try to tell myself there's other people out there that have it way worse than me, and that actually I'm pretty lucky considering the circumstances. Still sucks to know that so many things in life that come natural to most other people are completely out of my reach.
 

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it sucks. sure for society as a whole it's probably a good thing since you sometimes get the really smart people. but personally it sucks a lot.
 

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That really depends on how the autism affects the individual. I know several people with autism. Some are fine with it, and it doesn't really affect them thanks to their lifestyle in general, as well as being lucky about the symptoms they end up exhibiting. Others have had serious problems thanks to it socially, academically, professionally and in all aspects of life.

You can't really generalise "Autism" to the extent of calling it a blessing or a curse - well, honestly, I'd hesitate to ever call it a blessing if it still comes with some negative sides, but shall we say a curse, or not a curse instead? It depends on the person, how much it affects them, in what ways it affects them, and a myriad of other factors in their life. In general, just on the fact that it can be hugely detrimental to someone's life, Imma er on the side of Curse. Sometimes someone might end up alright despite it, but a lot of times they won't.
 

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It's never a blessing.
Some autistic people, due to the fact that they often can focus on their interests more than an average person, can excel in 1 or 2 disciplines.
However, I've never heard of an autistic person who didn't have any problems when it comes to their social life.
Most of them, especially the undiagnosed ones, live lonely and miserable lives.
 

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Wouldn't want it myself, nor would I wish it on anybody else, my elementary school had a class for special needs students and I'm pretty sure there was a couple of autistic kids among them (long time ago I don't fully remember), and it didn't seem like they had the best life ahead of them.

So yeah, curse, I guess?
 

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How could it possibly be a blessing? Its a disorder, however small or high function someone can be, I doubt anyone has ever said "Man, thank fucking God I'm autistic! It's making my life so much easier! I wouldn't have it any other way!"

Put it this way, because I took a biomedical ethics course once and this was the underlying ethical question to everything: Would you think its okay for a couple to ask a Doctor to change a fetus' DNA in utero to purposefully activate this condition? Parents actively making their children autistic because they think its a 'blessing'. If your answer is yes, you think its a blessing. If no, then at best its not a blessing.
 

Borty The Bort

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Delicious Anathema said:
It's undesirable, as any other disorder. No one wants to be not normal.
I don't think that's necessarily true. There are millions of people who enjoy abnormality, myself included, and I wouldn't say that it's necessarily a bad thing.
 

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Okay, I'm going to offer something of an alternate point of view. Granted, this is just my personal case, and it's very much the exception instead of the rule sort of thing, but I do want to back things away from the whole "It's awful and everyone that has it must want to be normal" attitude I've been seeing.

Now, I'm on the high-functioning end of the spectrum, Asperger's and all that. And yes, I've been officially diagnosed. And growing up, it presented plenty of problems when it came to social interaction. I was always the weird kid wandering off by myself daydreaming or with my nose stuck in a book. I got incredibly frustrated when things deviated from my personal schedule, even if it was something as insignificant as stopping at the store on the way home. Whenever I got into something, I became obsessed. Pokemon, Star Wars, Animorphs, Sonic the Hedgehog, you name it, my life revolved wholly around it, and I must have annoyed so many people whenever I would go on and on about it. Pretty much you classic case.

To top things off, this was at a time when science was only just figuring out what Asperger's was and how it worked, and as such there were many misconceptions about it. So my poor parents tried so many things to get me to act normal, all of which annoyed the piss out of me, from weird diets to forcing me to talk to someone every day when I just didn't want to and to trying to make me articulate why I was so frustrated about something when there wasn't a reason I could really explain. So yeah, there were definitely some interesting challenges growing up.

But then a couple things happened that helped me tremendously. The first was I joined the wrestling team in junior high, and I loved it. And given the whole Aspie thing, I jumped in wholeheartedly. Even as asocial as I was, I've always been super competitive, so it was perfect for me. And as any kid will tell you, the wrestling team is as close to boot camp as you're going to get in junior high and high school. It hammered in things like personal discipline, hard work, taking losses in stride, and also helped tons with the interaction thing, given the camaraderie me and the other wrestlers had. I mean, I was still a weirdo, but I was their weirdo, and we were all on the same side.

The second was my parents' attempts to "make me normal." Because while a lot of the stuff they did was ignorant and didn't work, at least it wasn't abusively harmful and didn't mess me up, and honestly a lot of the stuff they tried did work to some extent. I would try to meet their expectations even if I didn't want to. I would try to do things on my own and take responsibility even if it was frustrating and a pain in the ass. And things like good manners, respect for others, and considerate behavior were major parts of my upbringing. And if that sort of thing gets drilled into you at a young age, it tends to stick, even if it goes against your nature.

What helped the most was them making me get a job when I was sixteen. Again, while I had problem with working and earning money, I hated the constant interviews, filling out applications, and having to ride my bike to various places on my Saturdays. But in then end, I did find a place that hired me, and it was...well, sort of a revelation. See, I may be asocial, but I'm not anti-social. I don't hate people, I just had others things I wanted to instead of hanging out and could never understand why people thought that that was so strange. But as with the wrestling team, I had to interact with people, customers and co-workers alike. I had to learn a whole bunch of procedures, take on a bunch of new responsibilities, and meet a bunch of new expectations. And I LOVED it. I loved the discipline, I loved meeting challenges, and I loved fulfilling what was expected of me. Granted, I hated the super rushes and uber late closings shifts, as I had to bike forty minutes to get home until I got my own car, but those just came with the territory. But most importantly, my parents really drilled in the value of a dollar. I learned to save, save, save, which is super useful today. But even then, I had my own set of challenges and people noticed. About that time was when I was diagnosed, so when I told my managers and co-workers, their reactions were pretty much, "Well, that explains a lot. Wish I had known earlier."

These days I'm getting along just fine. I have my own place, pay my own bills, am really good with money, and have no issues socializing. There are still challenges, sure. When it comes to social interaction, I can't automatically read people and often have to do a quick analysis for the appropriate response. I swear to God, sometimes the Terminator menu pops up in my head. And unfortunately I don't have much in the way of emotional empathy. I have cognitive empathy, which means I can analyze and deduct that my friend is feeling bad. And I have compassionate empathy, which means I can feel bad for them and want to help. But I can't feel bad with them, so whenever someone I know is depressed, anxious, or just upset over something that I've never experienced, I'm usually confused by it more often than not, and have to remind myself to just keep my mouth shut and listen instead of stupidly asking why they can't just get over it. And yes, I also have to watch myself so I don't talk other people's ears off about something they don't care about, and not interrupt them when they want to talk to me about something. My personal rule is to ask at least three questions and/or give at least three responses and wait to see if they've run out of steam before changing the subject to my story.

And yes, I also still get frustrated over small stuff and having my personal schedule disrupted, but I have learned to work around that and try to be accommodating. It helps that I live alone, so I'm in charge of most of my schedule, and I've also learned to communicate and compromise with other people should something unexpected come up.

Now, coming to the important question, if a magical genie showed up and offered to completely "cure" me and make me "normal," then I'd probably say thanks, but no thanks. I like me the way I am, challenges and all. And I really enjoy jumping headlong into some new interest, taking it apart, and analyzing every single aspect of it. That, plus my personal tunnel vision, has really helped in achieving personal goals. It's all about taking what you have and channeling it into something useful.

Again, granted, I have been extremely lucky. I never had issues with depression or anxiety that a lot of other Aspies seem to have, I learned early on how to act around other people, and was never bullied for being weird. I mean, I'm sure people were laughing at me behind my back, but that never mattered. But point is, it isn't always a curse, and I like the way I am. I've made it work for me, and wouldn't have it any other way.

(though I will admit to getting really pissed off about those self-diagnosed types that use Asperger's as an excuse for being inconsiderate. Like, dude, learn to act better. I did!)
 

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The reason I created this thread was because I have found that I am the only person that I know that doesn't care for my condition, while everyone else around me seems to regard me as if I'm a living bomb that is about to explode. It aggravates me deeply, and all I want to know is why. Sure, I tend to lean towards extreme narcissism because of my good memory and abnormal nature which I take great pride in, because I feel like it's the only thing that differentiates me from everyone else on a basic level, yet to other people I appear to be depressed because I can't maintain a relationship of any sort with anyone, but I actually feel pity for others who seem like they simply cannot live without human interaction, which would explain everyone's obsession with constant connection with everyone and everything around them through social networking. Damn normies.

I was just wondering how people see autists, because no matter what I ask people in real life about autism, they seemed vague and evasive on the subject. Thank you all for your opinions, even though I personally disagree with most of them. Your help is appreciated.
 

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Borty The Bort said:
The reason I created this thread was because I have found that I am the only person that I know that doesn't care for my condition, while everyone else around me seems to regard me as if I'm a living bomb that is about to explode. It aggravates me deeply, and all I want to know is why. Sure, I tend to lean towards extreme narcissism because of my good memory and abnormal nature which I take great pride in, because I feel like it's the only thing that differentiates me from everyone else on a basic level, yet to other people I appear to be depressed because I can't maintain a relationship of any sort with anyone, but I actually feel pity for others who seem like they simply cannot live without human interaction, which would explain everyone's obsession with constant connection with everyone and everything around them through social networking. Damn normies.

I was just wondering how people see autists, because no matter what I ask people in real life about autism, they seemed vague and evasive on the subject. Thank you all for your opinions, even though I personally disagree with most of them. Your help is appreciated.
Here's a couple tricks I've found to be really useful.

1. Never be ashamed of how you are. When it comes to the whole significant other thing, I've been single my whole life. Never had a girlfriend, never had sex, never went on a real date, never even seriously kissed someone, and that's all out of choice. That little knob that controls the need for intimacy has been turned way low, to the point where I actually get agitated if I have to share my home with someone else (God, having my own place is so great!). Naturally, when people find out about this, they're actually surprised, and questions soon follow. When that happens, I'm never uncomfortable or ashamed about it, and just calmly explain how I'm wired, so that keeps them from seeing me as lonely or pathetic. And I never take it seriously or get offended. Believe me, when I turned thirty, nobody was making more Level 30 Wizard jokes than I was. It's all about just owning the way you are.

2. That being said, it also helps to keep in mind that everyone is wired differently. I have to keep reminding myself that many people have that same knob turned all the way up, and try to see things from their point of view before I say something they wouldn't like. There's a quote that I've found really useful that goes, "I'm not better than anyone. But nobody is better than me." It really helps keep things in perspective.

Honestly, just own who and what you are, but also remember to be considerate of others. People will pick up on that confidence, and all your little quirks go from "uncomfortably weird" to "endearingly weird."
 

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TakerFoxx said:
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1. Never be ashamed of how you are. When it comes to the whole significant other thing, I've been single my whole life. Never had a girlfriend, never had sex, never went on a real date, never even seriously kissed someone, and that's all out of choice. That little knob that controls the need for intimacy has been turned way low, to the point where I actually get agitated if I have to share my home with someone else (God, having my own place is so great!). Naturally, when people find out about this, they're actually surprised, and questions soon follow. When that happens, I'm never uncomfortable or ashamed about it, and just calmly explain how I'm wired, so that keeps them from seeing me as lonely or pathetic. And I never take it seriously or get offended. Believe me, when I turned thirty, nobody was making more Level 30 Wizard jokes than I was. It's all about just owning the way you are.
I think you misunderstood me. I said "relationships" as in, all relationships. Not just the romantic or sexual, I meant friendships and such. Platonic things. I wasn't even thinking about the whole "girlfriend" thing.