Avatar 2

[Cherry Cola]

Sniiiiiiiip

If it was fantasy, sure, whatever, it's magic. Sadly, this is sci-fi. If Cameron would've said it was magic, then sure, it's Final Fantasy-esque. But this is supposed to be a full-blown fantasy, and there are tons of psuedo-scientific talk that explain things, like how they have nature-internet and such.

So why can't they simply explain the flying rocks? Explain movie! EXPLAAAAAAAIN!

[sub]Nostalgia Critic reference is awesome[/sub]

Pocahontas ripped off Dances with Wolves, and Halo ripped off other movies by Cameron, so all Cameron did was use his signature sci-fi style.

The term 'Ripped off' gets used so much these days that I sometimes wish to rip off a scene from Terminator in real life.

Oh, oh, let me guess!

Is it the scene where you steal a guys clothes?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Probably the Navi being invaded by some other alien race and the humans helping out or some crap like that. Avatar really wasn't the masterpeice I hear people claiming it to be. It was good but it wasn't the god sent film most people think it was. A sequel is so un-needed.

Well, I thought it was myself. A very good way to end what hasn't been a great decade.

The story was just a rehash of a Disney classic with a new skin. Granted the skin is incredibly well animated and nicely put together its nothing new.

As for a not so great decade... Lord of the Rings. Star Wars. Watchmen. Distric 9. Cloverfield. 28 days/weeks later. Crank 1&2. 300... and sooooooo many more. I think the decade had a FANTASTIC bunch of movies. Sure there were some totally rediculus ones but what decade doesn't have its fair share of crap?

Star wars was the 70s and early 80s

I hope I havn't been ninja'd, but the prequels came out in the 00's.

No. No they did not.

In fact, they don't exist.

"But.."

They don't exist

 

[Zersy]

Nukes.. a lot of nukes. Going off to the song of Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen.

I love it when the Frist reply to a thread is always the smartest and most epic.

 

[bladeofdarkness]

i'm actually looking forward to it
if there is one thing cameron does better then make films - its making sequels

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Actually I heard they are going to make 5 sequels.

Will the first actually be the sixth and the actual first be be 3rd? AWESOME IDEA!

 

[Wicky_42]

There's always the plot hole of "How the hell does the mountains float?"

Which I'm still waiting for to be answered.

Because it's a completely different planet, and things work differently, physics wise. After all, they've already established that the entire planet is a giant neurosystem, so it's obvious that physics works slightly differently on Pandora.

However, it's probably something to do with a massive magnetic field, and high levels of magnetic material in the mountains themselves, keeping them afloat. It's like trying to put the same side of two magnets against each other, they just won't touch. That would also explain why all the instruments on the aircraft go offline.

Unfortunately, there's a tiny little flaw in your explanation.

It's not explained in the movie.

And if it isn't explained in the movie, it's a plot hole. You can work day and night to try and explain it, but until there comes an official cannon announcement regarding that issue, it will remain as a plot hole.

Oh, and the laws of physics apply everywhere, even on Pandora. DO NOT DEFY THE GREAT LAW OF PHYSICS!

Cameron has a whole load of fluff worked out - for instance, why the humans don't just nuke the natives and what 'unobtanium' is used for.

Those floating mountains are rich in unobtanium, a high-temperature superconductor which exhibits magnetic properties in a way that none of our low-temperature superconductors do. It's useful because it works great for mag-lev transportation and in fusion reactors, and the Earth is now criss-crossed by giant industrial mag-lev railways and the starships are powered by fusion engines.

Nukes.. a lot of nukes. Going off to the song of Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen.

The reason they didn't just bombard from orbit in the first place was because weapons are banned from space - the fluff has it that the corporation's contract to use the spaceships allows them to exploit Pandora so long as strict controls are in place over the weaponry they can use, including nukes and orbital strikes. Hell, these guys have spaceships capable at travelling at near light speed powered by fusion - just imagine the scope of the military toys they would have to play with!

Forgive me for hitting you with fluff, but when I find something I don't understand or have a question I want answering I check to see if the info's out there rather than revelling in my ignorance

 

[Casual Shinji]

Off topic but I heard that the guy who played Jake Sully was found in the back of a car asleep and they asked him did he want to be in a movie.
Talk about rags to riches!

So that's why he always sounds so dull and half asleep.

Maybe Avatar 2 will introduce a new alien species, the Qai'da: the misunderstood alien terrorists.
Afterall, James Cameron has a real knack for subtle terrorist subtext.

 

[Octopusesgarden]

As long as we hear less of unubtanium and less shit one-liners from the ''badass'' US marines then that'll be fine and dandy

 

[Casual Shinji]

Erm, I don't remember that particular subtext myself. I read it more as about the Native Americans, whom you'd hardly name terrorists.

That's basically my point.

Colonel George Bush, or whatever his name is, starts talking about "fighting terror with terror" and "shock and awe" when the movie never established the Na'vi as potential terrorists. They're never violent towards the humans untill the big battle. This subtext, if you can call it that, makes no sense in the concept of the story, but still Cameron put it in to bash Bush.

We get it Hollywood, you didn't like the Bush Administration. You dont have to whine about it in every single movie.

 

[Wicky_42]

That's basically my point.

Colonel George Bush, or whatever his name is, starts talking about "fighting terror with terror" and "shock and awe" when the movie never established the Na'vi as potential terrorists. They're never violent towards the humans untill the big battle. This subtext, if you can call it that, makes no sense in the concept of the story, but still Cameron put it in to bash Bush.

We get it Hollywood, you didn't like the Bush Administration. You dont have to whine about it in every single movie.

Well, actually I think it's more about the fact that the Colonel is saying all these things about the Na'vi, and yet we never see them actually doing this. I think that's a conscious decision, that its not ever implied that the Na'vi are a particularly violent people, but that the humans simply assume they are, and overreact. Again, I see more of a parallel there with native Americans then I do with current wars or administrations. They simply assume that the natives are barbarous and end up killing them out of that fear, thus allowing those in the natives who want revenge to take command.

However, it is hinted at. The arrows stuck in the mining truck at the start, the fact that when the Colonel talks, he talks about the Na'vi's 'arrows that can kill you in one minute flat', they obviously must know that from experience, which proves the Na'vi have killed soldiers.

Yeah, what you said. Plus, remember how Neytiri almost attacked Jake when he was lost in the woods? Kinda implies no-holds barred vicious guerrila combat once you leave the safety of the base.

 

[XINVADER]

Well, I don't know what it should be about, but I have faith in James Cameron to deliver.

He is after all, one of the few men who delivered a sequel that was better than its already great predecessor. In Hollywood, that's a rare thing.

Also, he's a notorious perfectionist, so I don't think we'll have a rush job on our hands. Yep, I'm looking forward to it indeed. He's been planning a trilogy all along, so I guess it'll all come together.

Needless to say, I loved the first. Perhaps too much actually, I've seen it 4 times and I'm not bored of it. It's just got this great sense of wonder about the whole thing. Reminds me of my childhood.

Hell, the second might do an Empire Strikes Back and be even better than the first.

Personally I feel the film is overrated. While it is better than most of the tripe that has come out in recent years and is visually stunning it still remains a pretty Pocahontas. All of Camerons films are still a little cheesy to me, while I love most they always come across as the same relationship story set around some big event or occurrence.

I personally hate most sequels. There are only a handful I do like. They have to be done with a lot of care.

 

[Xelt]

I want to see the Na'vi killed and pandora burned so humanity can mine in peace.
That won't happen though will it >:l

But then the people who wanna live on Pandora will try torching our planet in revenge.
Before realising that they themselves actually live here.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Well, actually I think it's more about the fact that the Colonel is saying all these things about the Na'vi, and yet we never see them actually doing this. I think that's a conscious decision, that its not ever implied that the Na'vi are a particularly violent people, but that the humans simply assume they are, and overreact. Again, I see more of a parallel there with native Americans then I do with current wars or administrations. They simply assume that the natives are barbarous and end up killing them out of that fear, thus allowing those in the natives who want revenge to take command.

However, it is hinted at. The arrows stuck in the mining truck at the start, the fact that when the Colonel talks, he talks about the Na'vi's 'arrows that can kill you in one minute flat', they obviously must know that from experience, which proves the Na'vi have killed soldiers.

To me there was just no sense of an escalating situation.

It's also pretty impossible the make a futuristic movie that draws a parallel with the native Americans in that sense. What happend there was that the Europeans who in that period were strict Christians and had no segregation of church and state, emigrated to a continent where the natives did not and would not whorship their God. This is a recipe for disaster of epic proportions and that's understandable.

But in Avatar they never make it clear why the humans and the Na'vi don't get along. They just don't.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Yeah, what you said. Plus, remember how Neytiri almost attacked Jake when he was lost in the woods? Kinda implies no-holds barred vicious guerrila combat once you leave the safety of the base.

But you never actually see that untill the climax. You never see a Na'vi brutally killing a human in way that would cement the notion that the marines see the Na'vi as vicious creatures. And if the Na'vi are such unyielding guerilla warriors why do they go to human manufactured schools were - judging from the pictures on Grace's desk - they are happy?

 

[Broady Brio]

Hopefully it will have the same effect, like with The Terminator and Terminator 2.

 

[Rararaz]

I am not at all shocked about this. All major film studios sign up he rights of films and any potential sequals in case films do well and make them a lot of money.

I hope that this was always planned and not done to simply to milk how well the first has done.